WTU/DCPS reach agreement

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Some of these individual teachers earned our scorn. DC's teacher went on strike to protest the most vulnerable students going back to school, including DC. Meanwhile she did a terrible job even trying to teach SN DC and didn't care about the growing gap she personally was helping to create by her crappy teaching. But now we know that most WTU teachers don't give a crap about our kids. I'm on the side of my kids, not the teachers. Every parent always should have been, but any parent who still thinks the teachers are on your kid's side is beyond help.

My DC's teacher - a WTU stalwart - handed out T2 materials while camped out a local restaurant enjoying assorted food and beverages. While I had no issues with her doing this per se, I would imagine the irony of the situation escaped her, enjoying as she was the benefits of in-person services that her and other WTU affiliates were simultaneously denying the DCPS student body. Those teachers who endorsed WTU's demands and have been eating out, drinking out, physically shopping, traveling on commercial flights and/or public transportation, opening their mail and/or packages, visiting the doctor or dentist, and/or otherwise benefiting from the fruits of those who physically-delivered services that continue to be delivered throughout this pandemic should immediately engage with their own replete repositories of cognitive dissonance.

wait what - you had to go to a restaurant to get the materials? what the a f.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m in my 17th year of teaching with a Master’s degree, but am not at 100k. DCPS doesn’t recognize all my years since they didn’t all happen here.

Not many parents don’t want teachers to be paid more. But it’d be nice if they could also show up and teach.

I voted to go back and didn’t participate in the sick out.

Thank you. I think most of us realize that WTU doesn't represent the views of all DCPS teachers and that very few will hold what has happened against individual teachers.

Some of these individual teachers earned our scorn. DC's teacher went on strike to protest the most vulnerable students going back to school, including DC. Meanwhile she did a terrible job even trying to teach SN DC and didn't care about the growing gap she personally was helping to create by her crappy teaching. But now we know that most WTU teachers don't give a crap about our kids. I'm on the side of my kids, not the teachers. Every parent always should have been, but any parent who still thinks the teachers are on your kid's side is beyond help.

Same story here. I can’t stand to hear her stupid voice every morning uselessly babbling at the kids. this year cannot end soon enough.

I know the feeling. I can’t stand some of the parents voices either. They are constantly talking to their kid when I’m trying to teach and half the time are telling them wrong answers. Their voices just grate my nerves. I can’t wait for this class to move onto someone else.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:20th year teaching. Yes, I’ve crossed over the $100,000 mark. I live in DC, and given the cost of living here, I am far from wealthy. Comparing the salaries of teachers in cities with very different costs of living makes zero sense. Of course their salaries are lower. Their apartments also cost $600 a month lol.

I am not remotely suggesting that teachers are overpaid; they aren't. But all of the posts acting like teachers are badly paid are just inaccurate. Head teachers in DCPS make more than the average total income of a kid in a DC public classroom. So if we're feeling really bad for the economic pressure being exerted on teachers to return, think about their students' families.

So you all know teachers are important now right? Has this pandemic taught you that?

Are they as important as a doctor?
A lawyer?

An engineer?

Marketing managers?


The average wage in DC I think is like 69k. Is being a teacher an average job? Is someone who spends the majority of the regular school day with the city's children average?
Is having to have multiple titles in one (that you are not trained for average?)

Even before Covid-19, I think teachers should be paid more. I don't think the pay is bad, but it's not excellent either.
So I imagine most teachers who respond are not talking about hardships due to covid-19.


Regardless I hope we can get back on topic, the agreement has been officially signed and every school will decide the model.

GW and Georgetown and WHC are paying new nurses a starting salary of $58K to work in the ICU with Covid patients. No hazard pay.
Nurses with 10 years of experience at these hospitals are around $80K.

Some professions are just underpaid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m in my 17th year of teaching with a Master’s degree, but am not at 100k. DCPS doesn’t recognize all my years since they didn’t all happen here.

Not many parents don’t want teachers to be paid more. But it’d be nice if they could also show up and teach.

I voted to go back and didn’t participate in the sick out.

Want a cookie? Are you really so needy that getting praise from anonymous fools on DCUM is something you need to get you through the day?

[Anonymous]

Gee, I wonder why teachers don't want to put their health on the line for the parents represented in this thread? I certainly wouldn't-- you all seem really heartless and entitled and obviously don't respect your children's teachers, even prior to the pandemic. So how can you expect them to put themselves in harm's way for you?
I'm at teacher and, while I'm not going to volunteer to go back, I'll willingly go back if I'm assigned to in person learning. I do care about my kids and their families, and I've actually provided support to some of the needy families I work with. I am lucky though, I don't work at one of those wealthy upper NW schools where parents think you are their employee. When I read the threads in this forum, I feel so fortunate that I teach ESL and don't have to deal with this type of parent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Gee, I wonder why teachers don't want to put their health on the line for the parents represented in this thread? I certainly wouldn't-- you all seem really heartless and entitled and obviously don't respect your children's teachers, even prior to the pandemic. So how can you expect them to put themselves in harm's way for you?
I'm at teacher and, while I'm not going to volunteer to go back, I'll willingly go back if I'm assigned to in person learning. I do care about my kids and their families, and I've actually provided support to some of the needy families I work with. I am lucky though, I don't work at one of those wealthy upper NW schools where parents think you are their employee. When I read the threads in this forum, I feel so fortunate that I teach ESL and don't have to deal with this type of parent.

mad that people are mad at you for doing a crap job. ok!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Gee, I wonder why teachers don't want to put their health on the line for the parents represented in this thread? I certainly wouldn't-- you all seem really heartless and entitled and obviously don't respect your children's teachers, even prior to the pandemic. So how can you expect them to put themselves in harm's way for you?
I'm at teacher and, while I'm not going to volunteer to go back, I'll willingly go back if I'm assigned to in person learning. I do care about my kids and their families, and I've actually provided support to some of the needy families I work with. I am lucky though, I don't work at one of those wealthy upper NW schools where parents think you are their employee. When I read the threads in this forum, I feel so fortunate that I teach ESL and don't have to deal with this type of parent.

mad that people are mad at you for doing a crap job. ok!

Different teacher here. I have never cared what parents think of me. Never have and never will. I don’t play the JKLM games at my JKLM school. Hopefully seeing this stuff will help other teachers realize that parents are not your friends.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m in my 17th year of teaching with a Master’s degree, but am not at 100k. DCPS doesn’t recognize all my years since they didn’t all happen here.

Not many parents don’t want teachers to be paid more. But it’d be nice if they could also show up and teach.

I voted to go back and didn’t participate in the sick out.

Want a cookie? Are you really so needy that getting praise from anonymous fools on DCUM is something you need to get you through the day?

NP. And for you it's gratuitous nastiness towards anonymous posters on DCUM that gets you through the day? Or do you feel a need to put defectors in their place?

I enjoy hearing from teachers who want to go back, it gives me hope that there are still some who truly care about the kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:20th year teaching. Yes, I’ve crossed over the $100,000 mark. I live in DC, and given the cost of living here, I am far from wealthy. Comparing the salaries of teachers in cities with very different costs of living makes zero sense. Of course their salaries are lower. Their apartments also cost $600 a month lol.

I am not remotely suggesting that teachers are overpaid; they aren't. But all of the posts acting like teachers are badly paid are just inaccurate. Head teachers in DCPS make more than the average total income of a kid in a DC public classroom. So if we're feeling really bad for the economic pressure being exerted on teachers to return, think about their students' families.

So you all know teachers are important now right? Has this pandemic taught you that?

Are they as important as a doctor?
A lawyer?

An engineer?

Marketing managers?


The average wage in DC I think is like 69k. Is being a teacher an average job? Is someone who spends the majority of the regular school day with the city's children average?
Is having to have multiple titles in one (that you are not trained for average?)

Even before Covid-19, I think teachers should be paid more. I don't think the pay is bad, but it's not excellent either.
So I imagine most teachers who respond are not talking about hardships due to covid-19.


Regardless I hope we can get back on topic, the agreement has been officially signed and every school will decide the model.

GW and Georgetown and WHC are paying new nurses a starting salary of $58K to work in the ICU with Covid patients. No hazard pay.
Nurses with 10 years of experience at these hospitals are around $80K.

Some professions are just underpaid.

Nurses are the equivalent of paraprofessionals, unless you're a nurse practitioner. Who are paid 80k- 200k. Stop.

Even if they were underpaid, 2 wrongs don't make a what..? :-/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gee, I wonder why teachers don't want to put their health on the line for the parents represented in this thread? I certainly wouldn't-- you all seem really heartless and entitled and obviously don't respect your children's teachers, even prior to the pandemic. So how can you expect them to put themselves in harm's way for you?
I'm at teacher and, while I'm not going to volunteer to go back, I'll willingly go back if I'm assigned to in person learning. I do care about my kids and their families, and I've actually provided support to some of the needy families I work with. I am lucky though, I don't work at one of those wealthy upper NW schools where parents think you are their employee. When I read the threads in this forum, I feel so fortunate that I teach ESL and don't have to deal with this type of parent.

mad that people are mad at you for doing a crap job. ok!

Different teacher here. I have never cared what parents think of me. Never have and never will. I don’t play the JKLM games at my JKLM school. Hopefully seeing this stuff will help other teachers realize that parents are not your friends.

No, I’m not your friend, correct. I just expect you to do your job as a public servant, just like I do mine.

[Anonymous]

Wow so many women being nasty to the people you want to spend their entire day w your kid.

I wonder how many of the nasty are really teens stirring shit up.

[Anonymous]

Btw nurses and teachers are paid so little because they are “female” professions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:20th year teaching. Yes, I’ve crossed over the $100,000 mark. I live in DC, and given the cost of living here, I am far from wealthy. Comparing the salaries of teachers in cities with very different costs of living makes zero sense. Of course their salaries are lower. Their apartments also cost $600 a month lol.

I am not remotely suggesting that teachers are overpaid; they aren't. But all of the posts acting like teachers are badly paid are just inaccurate. Head teachers in DCPS make more than the average total income of a kid in a DC public classroom. So if we're feeling really bad for the economic pressure being exerted on teachers to return, think about their students' families.

So you all know teachers are important now right? Has this pandemic taught you that?

Are they as important as a doctor?
A lawyer?

An engineer?

Marketing managers?


The average wage in DC I think is like 69k. Is being a teacher an average job? Is someone who spends the majority of the regular school day with the city's children average?
Is having to have multiple titles in one (that you are not trained for average?)

Even before Covid-19, I think teachers should be paid more. I don't think the pay is bad, but it's not excellent either.
So I imagine most teachers who respond are not talking about hardships due to covid-19.


Regardless I hope we can get back on topic, the agreement has been officially signed and every school will decide the model.

GW and Georgetown and WHC are paying new nurses a starting salary of $58K to work in the ICU with Covid patients. No hazard pay.
Nurses with 10 years of experience at these hospitals are around $80K.

Some professions are just underpaid.

Nurses are the equivalent of paraprofessionals, unless you're a nurse practitioner. Who are paid 80k- 200k. Stop.

Even if they were underpaid, 2 wrongs don't make a what..? :-/

Nurses are not the equivalent of paraprofessionals.

I agree with your second statement. I think some teachers should be paid more, or the demands on them (during normal times) should be reduced to focus on high value educating and keeping kids safe, not some of the paperwork/testing nonsense they have to deal with.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:20th year teaching. Yes, I’ve crossed over the $100,000 mark. I live in DC, and given the cost of living here, I am far from wealthy. Comparing the salaries of teachers in cities with very different costs of living makes zero sense. Of course their salaries are lower. Their apartments also cost $600 a month lol.

I am not remotely suggesting that teachers are overpaid; they aren't. But all of the posts acting like teachers are badly paid are just inaccurate. Head teachers in DCPS make more than the average total income of a kid in a DC public classroom. So if we're feeling really bad for the economic pressure being exerted on teachers to return, think about their students' families.

So you all know teachers are important now right? Has this pandemic taught you that?

Are they as important as a doctor?
A lawyer?

An engineer?

Marketing managers?


The average wage in DC I think is like 69k. Is being a teacher an average job? Is someone who spends the majority of the regular school day with the city's children average?
Is having to have multiple titles in one (that you are not trained for average?)

Even before Covid-19, I think teachers should be paid more. I don't think the pay is bad, but it's not excellent either.
So I imagine most teachers who respond are not talking about hardships due to covid-19.


Regardless I hope we can get back on topic, the agreement has been officially signed and every school will decide the model.

GW and Georgetown and WHC are paying new nurses a starting salary of $58K to work in the ICU with Covid patients. No hazard pay.
Nurses with 10 years of experience at these hospitals are around $80K.

Some professions are just underpaid.

Nurses are the equivalent of paraprofessionals, unless you're a nurse practitioner. Who are paid 80k- 200k. Stop.

Even if they were underpaid, 2 wrongs don't make a what..? :-/

Nurses are not the equivalent of paraprofessionals.

I agree with your second statement. I think some teachers should be paid more, or the demands on them (during normal times) should be reduced to focus on high value educating and keeping kids safe, not some of the paperwork/testing nonsense they have to deal with.

Not PP but: They are, you can be a nurse with an associate's degree, just like paras. You are assisting the doctors, just like paras assist teachers. They are both valuable
and deserve better pay.
The difference is nurses to get to a higher position within their practice like nurse practitioner, some nursing positions you need a masters and those are paid way higher.


It's not even just the paperwork, it's the idea that I should know how to help children with trauma, the social worker is not always available. The same workshop DCPS does every year wasn't helpful. (It's the same thing re-worded) I can't just tell parents their child would greatly benefit from weekly therapy.

'Teacher' encompasses may roles and truly I think if that was acknowledged and teacher programs in university acknowledged that and expanded on that. I went to an excellent school but I still minored in social work because the program didn't touch on behavioral intervention and trauma, etc. enough.
Even after my masters, I felt I wanted more.

I honestly think professions like teachers and nurses should absolutely be paid as much as mid earning lawyer (150k), like lawyers the practice of education is always changing, there's always new things to learn.

I imagine if this field was treated like the rigorous field it is and compensated as such we'd attract better teachers. My opinion I think entry should be masters and everyone should have to start as a para or assistant teacher if they are in the bachelor's phase.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:20th year teaching. Yes, I’ve crossed over the $100,000 mark. I live in DC, and given the cost of living here, I am far from wealthy. Comparing the salaries of teachers in cities with very different costs of living makes zero sense. Of course their salaries are lower. Their apartments also cost $600 a month lol.

I am not remotely suggesting that teachers are overpaid; they aren't. But all of the posts acting like teachers are badly paid are just inaccurate. Head teachers in DCPS make more than the average total income of a kid in a DC public classroom. So if we're feeling really bad for the economic pressure being exerted on teachers to return, think about their students' families.

So you all know teachers are important now right? Has this pandemic taught you that?

Are they as important as a doctor?
A lawyer?

An engineer?

Marketing managers?


The average wage in DC I think is like 69k. Is being a teacher an average job? Is someone who spends the majority of the regular school day with the city's children average?
Is having to have multiple titles in one (that you are not trained for average?)

Even before Covid-19, I think teachers should be paid more. I don't think the pay is bad, but it's not excellent either.
So I imagine most teachers who respond are not talking about hardships due to covid-19.


Regardless I hope we can get back on topic, the agreement has been officially signed and every school will decide the model.

GW and Georgetown and WHC are paying new nurses a starting salary of $58K to work in the ICU with Covid patients. No hazard pay.
Nurses with 10 years of experience at these hospitals are around $80K.

Some professions are just underpaid.

Nurses are the equivalent of paraprofessionals, unless you're a nurse practitioner. Who are paid 80k- 200k. Stop.

Even if they were underpaid, 2 wrongs don't make a what..? :-/

On no planet are nurse practitioners paid $200K.

People on DCUM vastly overestimate what nurses and nurse practitioners make.

(Maybe it's the case that they overestimate regarding other salaries on here too, but I only know the reality for RNs and NPs)