Hogan press conference 11/17 2pm

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Anonymous wrote:This guy lost me.

What would you propose he do?

The two primary sources of COVID cases are:

1. In-home gatherings, which the government can’t stop.

2. High-capacity indoor dining and bars, which he’s taken measures to avoid.

Those measures are ineffective and have been for a while.

So then what would you do?

Why are you criticizing Hogan when you have no alternatives?

I would have closed all indoor dining, and I would've done it much earlier.

It’s not about all indoor dining — it’s about high-capacity indoor dining. He’s capping indoor dining at a low capacity.

You asked what I would do. That's what I'd do. Low capacity? Who tf needs to be eating in a restaurant right now?! We're spiking! Get takeout and go home!

You’re just asking for restaurants to all go out of business. They can’t sustain themselves on takeout alone.

They can if people would stop acting like dirtbags. Support your local restaurants with takeout. We're getting takeout much more frequently. I used to meet with my aunt and cousin once a month at our favorite Mexican place. Guess what we still do? Get takeout from that place, even more frequently, and send each other texts and pics to say "can't wait to do this in person."

Once again: Restaurants cannot stay in business on takeout alone. This is especially true for those that weren’t doing a ton of takeout before the pandemic.

[Anonymous]

I realize that Hogan is in an impossible situation now without help from Washington. I do, however, fault him for not being more proactive during October when it was clear to anyone watching that we were headed in the wrong direction. Not only did he not take not action, his social media posts were deceptively positive, rather than informative or cautionary. Big mistake.

The thing with the restaurants is that I know he doesn't want them to go out of business and for staff to lose jobs. But guess what? Now that COVID is out of control, my family and many others are completely scaling back all of our activities. No more in person shopping and purchases, less takeout because it looks like a shutdown could be looming which will destroy my family's already faltering business, no more winter indoor soccer or other indoor activities, etc. So the restaurants stay open with only the bravest customers, but the economy contracts in other areas

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Anonymous wrote:I realize that Hogan is in an impossible situation now without help from Washington. I do, however, fault him for not being more proactive during October when it was clear to anyone watching that we were headed in the wrong direction. Not only did he not take not action, his social media posts were deceptively positive, rather than informative or cautionary. Big mistake.

The thing with the restaurants is that I know he doesn't want them to go out of business and for staff to lose jobs. But guess what? Now that COVID is out of control, my family and many others are completely scaling back all of our activities. No more in person shopping and purchases, less takeout because it looks like a shutdown could be looming which will destroy my family's already faltering business, no more winter indoor soccer or other indoor activities, etc. So the restaurants stay open with only the bravest customers, but the economy contracts in other areas

What was he supposed to do in October?

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Anonymous wrote:UGH, I support and like Gov. Hogan, but JUST DO IT. My goodness. If restaurants and bars are such proven hot spots, CLOSE INDOOR DINING. Not just after 10 p.m., CLOSE IT.

It's SO easy for us to sit back and demand this but it's so much more complicated than that. These are jobs and people's lively hood. Waiters, hostesses and mom and pop restaurants would have no income. We have the luxury, the blessing, the ease of teleworking and get paid and so it's easy to call for these places to shut down.

We know that. But the sooner we nut up and get this under control again, the better for everyone. This is why the federal government should have put more money into this, so that that more money could get into the hands of hardworking people and businesses. But everything done so far has been half-baked and CLEARLY has not been enough.

Or we just keep dragging this out!

I agree with you but it really does need to be a national initiative and not just Maryland. Doing something in just Maryland doesn’t doesn’t work because people come in from all over the country especially now with Thanksgiving next week.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I realize that Hogan is in an impossible situation now without help from Washington. I do, however, fault him for not being more proactive during October when it was clear to anyone watching that we were headed in the wrong direction. Not only did he not take not action, his social media posts were deceptively positive, rather than informative or cautionary. Big mistake.

The thing with the restaurants is that I know he doesn't want them to go out of business and for staff to lose jobs. But guess what? Now that COVID is out of control, my family and many others are completely scaling back all of our activities. No more in person shopping and purchases, less takeout because it looks like a shutdown could be looming which will destroy my family's already faltering business, no more winter indoor soccer or other indoor activities, etc. So the restaurants stay open with only the bravest customers, but the economy contracts in other areas

What was he supposed to do in October?

Issue warnings instead of talking about how much better we were doing than other states, scale back indoor dining, limit social gatherings. Look at the trajectory.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I realize that Hogan is in an impossible situation now without help from Washington. I do, however, fault him for not being more proactive during October when it was clear to anyone watching that we were headed in the wrong direction. Not only did he not take not action, his social media posts were deceptively positive, rather than informative or cautionary. Big mistake.

The thing with the restaurants is that I know he doesn't want them to go out of business and for staff to lose jobs. But guess what? Now that COVID is out of control, my family and many others are completely scaling back all of our activities. No more in person shopping and purchases, less takeout because it looks like a shutdown could be looming which will destroy my family's already faltering business, no more winter indoor soccer or other indoor activities, etc. So the restaurants stay open with only the bravest customers, but the economy contracts in other areas

What was he supposed to do in October?

Issue warnings instead of talking about how much better we were doing than other states, scale back indoor dining, limit social gatherings. Look at the trajectory.

I know the trajectory. The warnings wouldn’t have helped. People have given up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I realize that Hogan is in an impossible situation now without help from Washington. I do, however, fault him for not being more proactive during October when it was clear to anyone watching that we were headed in the wrong direction. Not only did he not take not action, his social media posts were deceptively positive, rather than informative or cautionary. Big mistake.

The thing with the restaurants is that I know he doesn't want them to go out of business and for staff to lose jobs. But guess what? Now that COVID is out of control, my family and many others are completely scaling back all of our activities. No more in person shopping and purchases, less takeout because it looks like a shutdown could be looming which will destroy my family's already faltering business, no more winter indoor soccer or other indoor activities, etc. So the restaurants stay open with only the bravest customers, but the economy contracts in other areas

What was he supposed to do in October?

Issue warnings instead of talking about how much better we were doing than other states, scale back indoor dining, limit social gatherings. Look at the trajectory.

I know the trajectory. The warnings wouldn’t have helped. People have given up.

Maybe, but at least if he had limited dining, the level of community spread might not be so great. Frankly, it was huge mistake to reopen them to 75% capacity in September. The numbers started climbing after that. The 25 person limit for gathering is still too high. I know it is impossible to enforce, but if even a few people would take these limitations to heart it would help. Halloween was ridiculous.

In addition, if keeping the economy afloat is paramount, he should be regularly encouraging young healthy people who are out and about to be tested regularly. That would go a long way toward identifying super spreaders. I think that today was the first time I have heard him mention testing for younger people. That message needs to be repeated again and again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I realize that Hogan is in an impossible situation now without help from Washington. I do, however, fault him for not being more proactive during October when it was clear to anyone watching that we were headed in the wrong direction. Not only did he not take not action, his social media posts were deceptively positive, rather than informative or cautionary. Big mistake.

The thing with the restaurants is that I know he doesn't want them to go out of business and for staff to lose jobs. But guess what? Now that COVID is out of control, my family and many others are completely scaling back all of our activities. No more in person shopping and purchases, less takeout because it looks like a shutdown could be looming which will destroy my family's already faltering business, no more winter indoor soccer or other indoor activities, etc. So the restaurants stay open with only the bravest customers, but the economy contracts in other areas

What was he supposed to do in October?

Issue warnings instead of talking about how much better we were doing than other states, scale back indoor dining, limit social gatherings. Look at the trajectory.

I know the trajectory. The warnings wouldn’t have helped. People have given up.

Maybe, but at least if he had limited dining, the level of community spread might not be so great. Frankly, it was huge mistake to reopen them to 75% capacity in September. The numbers started climbing after that. The 25 person limit for gathering is still too high. I know it is impossible to enforce, but if even a few people would take these limitations to heart it would help. Halloween was ridiculous.

In addition, if keeping the economy afloat is paramount, he should be regularly encouraging young healthy people who are out and about to be tested regularly. That would go a long way toward identifying super spreaders. I think that today was the first time I have heard him mention testing for younger people. That message needs to be repeated again and again.

COVID cases are primarily coming from bars and in-home gatherings. With bars closing at 10pm, people will just switch to houses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UGH, I support and like Gov. Hogan, but JUST DO IT. My goodness. If restaurants and bars are such proven hot spots, CLOSE INDOOR DINING. Not just after 10 p.m., CLOSE IT.

It's SO easy for us to sit back and demand this but it's so much more complicated than that. These are jobs and people's lively hood. Waiters, hostesses and mom and pop restaurants would have no income. We have the luxury, the blessing, the ease of teleworking and get paid and so it's easy to call for these places to shut down.

We know that. But the sooner we nut up and get this under control again, the better for everyone. This is why the federal government should have put more money into this, so that that more money could get into the hands of hardworking people and businesses. But everything done so far has been half-baked and CLEARLY has not been enough.

Or we just keep dragging this out!

I agree with you but it really does need to be a national initiative and not just Maryland. Doing something in just Maryland doesn’t doesn’t work because people come in from all over the country especially now with Thanksgiving next week.

Well how about we DO what Marland CAN, actually do? Close indoor dining. Point blank period. Takeout is available. Outdoor dining is available. And don't whine to me about it's toooooooo coolllllldddd for outdoor dining, when space heaters exist and my freaking hydrangea is in bloom because the weather is so mild. Those of us from places with actual winter know how lucky we have it. Bundle up and you can enjoy a drink and a meal outside with a friend.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This guy lost me.

What would you propose he do?

The two primary sources of COVID cases are:

1. In-home gatherings, which the government can’t stop.

2. High-capacity indoor dining and bars, which he’s taken measures to avoid.

Those measures are ineffective and have been for a while.

So then what would you do?

Why are you criticizing Hogan when you have no alternatives?

I would have closed all indoor dining, and I would've done it much earlier.

It’s not about all indoor dining — it’s about high-capacity indoor dining. He’s capping indoor dining at a low capacity.

You asked what I would do. That's what I'd do. Low capacity? Who tf needs to be eating in a restaurant right now?! We're spiking! Get takeout and go home!

You’re just asking for restaurants to all go out of business. They can’t sustain themselves on takeout alone.

They managed in March. We should be providing financial aid to those restaurants so they can stay in business. And you can reopen a restaurant, but you can't bring people back to life, nor is there evidence that you can reverse long-term covid damage to peoples cardiovascular systems.

There was federal help in March. There is not now.

There is state help. $50 million for restaurants. Announced earlier this month:
https://governor.maryland.gov/2020/11/05/covid-19-relief-programs-now-available-for-maryland-restaurants-artists-and-entertainment-venues/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Again.

Being out of a job is better than being dead.

The death rate is extremely low and no one is forced to work in a restaurant.

The privilege on this site amazes me on a regular basis. People have bills to pay and families to feed.

You are talking out of your ass. 26 people died in Maryland yesterday of COVID: more than one an HOUR. Gov. Hogan reiterated that more people have died of COVID in Maryland this year than the last year's death rates for traffic accidents, gun violence and the flu COMBINED.

that's shocking.

But I'm sure Trumpsters will continue to say that it's just a flu. 🤦‍♀️😢

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I realize that Hogan is in an impossible situation now without help from Washington. I do, however, fault him for not being more proactive during October when it was clear to anyone watching that we were headed in the wrong direction. Not only did he not take not action, his social media posts were deceptively positive, rather than informative or cautionary. Big mistake.

The thing with the restaurants is that I know he doesn't want them to go out of business and for staff to lose jobs. But guess what? Now that COVID is out of control, my family and many others are completely scaling back all of our activities. No more in person shopping and purchases, less takeout because it looks like a shutdown could be looming which will destroy my family's already faltering business, no more winter indoor soccer or other indoor activities, etc. So the restaurants stay open with only the bravest customers, but the economy contracts in other areas

What was he supposed to do in October?

Issue warnings instead of talking about how much better we were doing than other states, scale back indoor dining, limit social gatherings. Look at the trajectory.

I know the trajectory. The warnings wouldn’t have helped. People have given up.

Maybe, but at least if he had limited dining, the level of community spread might not be so great. Frankly, it was huge mistake to reopen them to 75% capacity in September. The numbers started climbing after that. The 25 person limit for gathering is still too high. I know it is impossible to enforce, but if even a few people would take these limitations to heart it would help. Halloween was ridiculous.

In addition, if keeping the economy afloat is paramount, he should be regularly encouraging young healthy people who are out and about to be tested regularly. That would go a long way toward identifying super spreaders. I think that today was the first time I have heard him mention testing for younger people. That message needs to be repeated again and again.

I agree with all this 100%. Instead of encouraging everyone to stay vigilant, Hogan was obsessed about how much better we were doing than other states when it was obvious we weren't actually doing that well and were headed in the wrong direction. I don't envy him and the people that have to make these tough decisions but I think he has really not handled the messaging and timing of reopening things well.

[Anonymous]

Agreed with PP above. I'm disappointed but not surprised.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This guy lost me.

What would you propose he do?

The two primary sources of COVID cases are:

1. In-home gatherings, which the government can’t stop.

2. High-capacity indoor dining and bars, which he’s taken measures to avoid.

Those measures are ineffective and have been for a while.

So then what would you do?

Why are you criticizing Hogan when you have no alternatives?

I would have closed all indoor dining, and I would've done it much earlier.

It’s not about all indoor dining — it’s about high-capacity indoor dining. He’s capping indoor dining at a low capacity.

You asked what I would do. That's what I'd do. Low capacity? Who tf needs to be eating in a restaurant right now?! We're spiking! Get takeout and go home!

You’re just asking for restaurants to all go out of business. They can’t sustain themselves on takeout alone.

They managed in March. We should be providing financial aid to those restaurants so they can stay in business. And you can reopen a restaurant, but you can't bring people back to life, nor is there evidence that you can reverse long-term covid damage to peoples cardiovascular systems.

There was federal help in March. There is not now.

Exactly.

The stupid GOP refused to approve a 2nd stimulus package. That’s why we can’t close restaurants.

That's funny, I thought it was stupid Nancy who refused to pass anything before the election that a) didn't have a punch of unrelated poison pills and b) would help Trump. Funny how different perspectives can be.