Most Overrated High School Cluster

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Anonymous wrote:The W schools are predominantly White schools except for Wootton. W schools’ average test scores are higher compared to other schools due to the higher concentration of affluent students (or lower number of underprivileged/FARM students).

RM, with it’s IB program, has smarter students, but their entire school average test scores are lower than W schools since they have much less concentration to affluent (higher underprivileged/FARM students).

Keep in mind that affluent parents spend a lot more money hiring tutors, SAT prep courses, C2 Education, etc.

Wooton is more than 70% white and asian so.. im lost?

Wootton is not predominantly (50% or more) Whites as you see below as compared to other W schools.

Wootton: 44% White, 37% Asian.

You proved my point lol..did you not read what I said? I SAID wooton is over 70% white/asian

WJ: 54% White, 18% Hispanics

Whitman: 67% White, 15% Asian

Churchill: 50% White, 28% Asian.

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Anonymous wrote:The W schools are predominantly White schools except for Wootton. W schools’ average test scores are higher compared to other schools due to the higher concentration of affluent students (or lower number of underprivileged/FARM students).

RM, with it’s IB program, has smarter students, but their entire school average test scores are lower than W schools since they have much less concentration to affluent (higher underprivileged/FARM students).

Keep in mind that affluent parents spend a lot more money hiring tutors, SAT prep courses, C2 Education, etc.

Not true. Churchill is 47% white.
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04602.pdf

For comparison's sake, Wootton is 42% white. https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04234.pdf

Just a reminder to do your own research and not trust what people say on this board.

+1 There's not one school in MoCo that would not be considered diverse. If you want to see "white" schools, check out some schools in the Midwest or New England.

You have to look at the demographics of the entire state or county. Midwest states are mostly whites to begin with so how can its schools be diverse. Any school in our area that is 45% or above White is not really diverse

?? lol omg you people

What’s wrong with the PP’s comment? If an area (County) is all White, then it’s schools are all White. MoCo is a demographically diverse county, but the demographic ratio at the W schools does not reflect the demographic ratio of the county. So the PP has a good point. The reason why MCPS is doing the boundary study is to address these mostly White W schools (ie segregation).

Open neighborhood schools are not segregation. While there are racist origins to some of the alignments they are now open to all if they can afford them. The wealth gap is the current primary reason and MCPS aren't going to fix that over night. Pragmatically there isn't many good options without breaking down the neighborhood concept which most people in the county disprove doing.

Even if they did make it break down the neighborhood alignment concept like San Fran did, Rich people will redefine what is desirable and push poor people out what ever floats to the top of the pile. The problem is the power dynamic that people with money have options and poor people have to take what they are given. And when something is desirable poor people don't have anyway to hold on to it except complain to the people who are in charge...who are often rich themselves.

Notice how the former poor part of Silver Spring that was attached to BCC is now the most expensive part of silver spring and almost none of the historical black community is left. The board knows this and while there will be some teeth added by the boundary study, I would bet large sums of money that the Ws wont turn into the DCC after it.

You’re not answering my question. You are just focusing on segregation.

Either way, W schools are predominantly White which does not reflect the demographic ratio of MoCo. Would love to see a BLM sign at these W schools.

They are not all predominantly white. Why do you keep ignoring the statistics?

They are stop neglecting the TRUTH.

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Anonymous wrote:The W schools are predominantly White schools except for Wootton. W schools’ average test scores are higher compared to other schools due to the higher concentration of affluent students (or lower number of underprivileged/FARM students).

RM, with it’s IB program, has smarter students, but their entire school average test scores are lower than W schools since they have much less concentration to affluent (higher underprivileged/FARM students).

Keep in mind that affluent parents spend a lot more money hiring tutors, SAT prep courses, C2 Education, etc.

Not true. Churchill is 47% white.
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04602.pdf

For comparison's sake, Wootton is 42% white. https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04234.pdf

Just a reminder to do your own research and not trust what people say on this board.

+1 There's not one school in MoCo that would not be considered diverse. If you want to see "white" schools, check out some schools in the Midwest or New England.

You have to look at the demographics of the entire state or county. Midwest states are mostly whites to begin with so how can its schools be diverse. Any school in our area that is 45% or above White is not really diverse

?? lol omg you people

What’s wrong with the PP’s comment? If an area (County) is all White, then it’s schools are all White. MoCo is a demographically diverse county, but the demographic ratio at the W schools does not reflect the demographic ratio of the county. So the PP has a good point. The reason why MCPS is doing the boundary study is to address these mostly White W schools (ie segregation).

Open neighborhood schools are not segregation. While there are racist origins to some of the alignments they are now open to all if they can afford them. The wealth gap is the current primary reason and MCPS aren't going to fix that over night. Pragmatically there isn't many good options without breaking down the neighborhood concept which most people in the county disprove doing.

Even if they did make it break down the neighborhood alignment concept like San Fran did, Rich people will redefine what is desirable and push poor people out what ever floats to the top of the pile. The problem is the power dynamic that people with money have options and poor people have to take what they are given. And when something is desirable poor people don't have anyway to hold on to it except complain to the people who are in charge...who are often rich themselves.

Notice how the former poor part of Silver Spring that was attached to BCC is now the most expensive part of silver spring and almost none of the historical black community is left. The board knows this and while there will be some teeth added by the boundary study, I would bet large sums of money that the Ws wont turn into the DCC after it.

You’re not answering my question. You are just focusing on segregation.

Either way, W schools are predominantly White which does not reflect the demographic ratio of MoCo. Would love to see a BLM sign at these W schools.

They are not all predominantly white. Why do you keep ignoring the statistics?

They are stop neglecting the TRUTH.

These statistics are irrelevant. The county has over 35% FARMS and the W's with <5% don't pull their weight.

[Anonymous]

Wooten is an absolute pressure cooker. Levels of anxiety in students is insane. I don’t care how “good” it is, I would never send my kid there. They already put so much pressure on themselves!

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Anonymous wrote:Wooten is an absolute pressure cooker. Levels of anxiety in students is insane. I don’t care how “good” it is, I would never send my kid there. They already put so much pressure on themselves!

Some attend high school to have fun/enjoy their time while studying enough to get into decent state schools. Others attend school just to prepare and being able to get into Ivy League and other top schools. Kids can be part of either group at Wootton. Not all want or feel the pressure cooker at Wootton unless your DC hangs around or friends in the pressure cooker group.

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Anonymous wrote:God, these threads are just a forum to make nasty but heavily veiled bigoted comments about people of color and poor people - the undesirables that’s DCUM parents despise and can’t get far enough away from.

Aren’t there enough of these threads? And PP, if you want to understand school quality, why not talk to actual parents in with kids in these schools as opposed to some anonymous forum where people - mostly white UMC - can’t wait to sh/t on anyone who isn’t just like them.

Not just this, but there are some pretty loud dogwhistles in "but Wootton is a pressure cooker!"

Just say you want a school that's exactly 79% white and no more than 10% any other individual race and go.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:God, these threads are just a forum to make nasty but heavily veiled bigoted comments about people of color and poor people - the undesirables that’s DCUM parents despise and can’t get far enough away from.

Aren’t there enough of these threads? And PP, if you want to understand school quality, why not talk to actual parents in with kids in these schools as opposed to some anonymous forum where people - mostly white UMC - can’t wait to sh/t on anyone who isn’t just like them.

Not just this, but there are some pretty loud dogwhistles in "but Wootton is a pressure cooker!"

Just say you want a school that's exactly 79% white and no more than 10% any other individual race and go.

What they really wanted to add was “with so many [lion] moms” 🙄

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Anonymous wrote:Blair

Blair take way too much pride in a few hundred kids who are mostly bused in and don't reflect the majority of the school be it demographically, scholastically or geographically. They don't put magnet programs in schools without problems. That is fine, just don't pretend you don't have a problem.

Poolesville was about to close due to lack of kids. Blair has the most kids in the county, I wonder what their problem was?

Their "problem"-- in the late 80s when the magnet(s) started-- was that it had very few white kids, thanks to heavy white flight. Montgomery County required that the burden of school integration and bussing not fall unduly on "minorities" so they created programs to draw more white students downcounty.

That's it. That's the whole story.

All of this smarmy "problem" language, for goodness sake. Do you also assume shelter pets are defective?

Shelter pets often bring their problems to their new home so yes. And Blair is way less white now than in the 80s. Not that it is a problem but the magnet program was designed to slow the shift. Right wrong or indifferent, the magnet program isn’t there because that is where all the smart kids are.

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You can't draw the boudries large enough to pick up measurable poor kids for schools like Churchill, Westland and the like. The Elementary schools are even tighter clusters. The schools that can pick up more poor kids are the schools around poor kids. Careful what you wish for on the east side of the county.

What does "careful what you wish for on the east side of the county" mean? Please explain.

Many of the eastern county schools were also gerrymandered to have some with mostly SFH, some mostly cheap apts. Redefining boundaries in a school like Potomac elementary may fudge 5% of the population due to the complete lack of proximity to any FRAMs or ESOL kids. Schools like Sligo Creek Elementary or Woodlin, slight changes can redefine the entire make up of the school due to the density of the population on that side of the county. Make no mistake, schools like that have way more chances of fundamentally changes than most west county schools with any boundary studies. The western schools aren't that gerrymandered, they didn't have to be and changing them would require deep changes to multiple things. You could flick a pen at Sligo creak and increase its FARMs kids by a factor of 7.

How about fixing the completely bogus New Hampshire Estates boundaries and sending those kids to Takoma Elementary or Flora Singer? My point was don't assume Gerrymandering is unique to the west county when it was more wildly used in the east due to panicked parents over the decades.

There might be people who are clamoring to change school boundaries in the western part of the county while opposing any changes to school boundaries in the eastern part of the county, but I have never encountered any. Have you? And if so, how/when/where?

It would be geographically absurd to send kids from New Hampshire Estates ES to Flora Singer ES. Look at a map.

Also, iif the New Hampshire Estates boundaries are completely bogus, so are the Stone Mill ES boundaries and the Seven Locks ES boundaries and the Lakewood ES boundaries and...

http://gis.mcpsmd.org/ServiceAreaMaps/StoneMillES.pdf
http://gis.mcpsmd.org/ServiceAreaMaps/SevenLocksES.pdf
http://gis.mcpsmd.org/ServiceAreaMaps/LakewoodES.pdf
http://gis.mcpsmd.org/ServiceAreaMaps/NewHampshireEstatesOakViewES.pdf

To say nothing of the

You are right of course but you are looking at merely the spirt of the intent and not focusing enough on the ease and cost of transition. It will simply be easier to break up the gerrymandering on the eastern half of the county due to proximity. They could undo the legacy protectionism in the east across the elementary and middle level. Rezone a few ridiculously zoned school that feed the Ws. That would boost the consortiums with middle class, be a big splashing emotional win for the papers, relieve crowding at the W’s, add a W high school to the DCC (Woodward) and watch MCPS spike the football as a success. Mean while the western county is basically left alone save for the people on the edges (that nobody cares about), all while the poverty is load balanced across the neighborhood schools attached to the consortiums.

A win for all?

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You are right of course but you are looking at merely the spirt of the intent and not focusing enough on the ease and cost of transition. It will simply be easier to break up the gerrymandering on the eastern half of the county due to proximity. They could undo the legacy protectionism in the east across the elementary and middle level. Rezone a few ridiculously zoned school that feed the Ws. That would boost the consortiums with middle class, be a big splashing emotional win for the papers, relieve crowding at the W’s, add a W high school to the DCC (Woodward) and watch MCPS spike the football as a success. Mean while the western county is basically left alone save for the people on the edges (that nobody cares about), all while the poverty is load balanced across the neighborhood schools attached to the consortiums.

A win for all?

Nah, I think it's time to fix the boundaries on the west side of the county. Cabin John MS and Robert Frost MS are high on the list too, of course.

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You are right of course but you are looking at merely the spirt of the intent and not focusing enough on the ease and cost of transition. It will simply be easier to break up the gerrymandering on the eastern half of the county due to proximity. They could undo the legacy protectionism in the east across the elementary and middle level. Rezone a few ridiculously zoned school that feed the Ws. That would boost the consortiums with middle class, be a big splashing emotional win for the papers, relieve crowding at the W’s, add a W high school to the DCC (Woodward) and watch MCPS spike the football as a success. Mean while the western county is basically left alone save for the people on the edges (that nobody cares about), all while the poverty is load balanced across the neighborhood schools attached to the consortiums.

A win for all?

Nah, I think it's time to fix the boundaries on the west side of the county. Cabin John MS and Robert Frost MS are high on the list too, of course.

It wasn’t a request as no one cares what you want, it was a prediction based on ease, politics and fallout if they ruffle the wrong feathers.

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NP. I think the w's are the most overrated. When I read about why people like them so much, it seems to be that there are fewer farms kids to "distract" the affluent kids. But, these schools seem to have bigger problems with drugs and suicide.

Meanwhile, out in the real world, black women are the most educated demographic in our country and yet they are among the least likely to be promoted. Something doesn't add up here. I don't think people of color (more likely to be farms) is what's holding your kids back.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I think the w's are the most overrated. When I read about why people like them so much, it seems to be that there are fewer farms kids to "distract" the affluent kids. But, these schools seem to have bigger problems with drugs and suicide.

Meanwhile, out in the real world, black women are the most educated demographic in our country and yet they are among the least likely to be promoted. Something doesn't add up here. I don't think people of color (more likely to be farms) is what's holding your kids back.

Really? What a pleasant surprise. Seriously had no idea. Do you have a link?

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I think the w's are the most overrated. When I read about why people like them so much, it seems to be that there are fewer farms kids to "distract" the affluent kids. But, these schools seem to have bigger problems with drugs and suicide.

Meanwhile, out in the real world, black women are the most educated demographic in our country and yet they are among the least likely to be promoted. Something doesn't add up here. I don't think people of color (more likely to be farms) is what's holding your kids back.

Really? What a pleasant surprise. Seriously had no idea. Do you have a link?

DCUM PROTOCOL:

It didn’t happen, it’s not true, it’s a lie and/or it’s made up unless a link to a source is provided.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I think the w's are the most overrated. When I read about why people like them so much, it seems to be that there are fewer farms kids to "distract" the affluent kids. But, these schools seem to have bigger problems with drugs and suicide.

Meanwhile, out in the real world, black women are the most educated demographic in our country and yet they are among the least likely to be promoted. Something doesn't add up here. I don't think people of color (more likely to be farms) is what's holding your kids back.

Really? What a pleasant surprise. Seriously had no idea. Do you have a link?

DCUM PROTOCOL:

It didn’t happen, it’s not true, it’s a lie and/or it’s made up unless a link to a source is provided.

Why are you being defensive? This is good news especially since it completely debunks the notion that Asian Americans are the most educated group in the US. If there's a study that shows otherwise, great.