Not Wearing Mask Outdoors

[Anonymous]

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You people live so inverted. You're the ones paranoid and irrational. People without masks in nature and on streets acting normal (i.e. not muzzled) are not required to adjust to you. You are required to adjust to them/us.

Try again? You have to delete the second set of brackets that say anonymous....there will be two at beginning of post.

Also you are a bit emotional. And dead wrong about people being irrational. It’s a true concern and not even trying to
wear a mask at this point is dangerous. Ask Chuck Woolrey.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To the person/people on here asking for confirmation of any cases from brief sidewalk contact - why? Are you epidemiologists? Have you just ignored the hundreds of scientists who have explained countless times in the media why we should all be wearing masks whenever we leave home? Is wearing a mask that difficult? I get that kids don’t like them but none of us have ever done this before. The kids (and adults) are going to have to figure out how to make some changes. Almost every news outlet has stories with actual epidemiologists PLEADING with people to understand why we need mask compliance. Why aren’t you listening? I honestly do not get it.

I don't get why you insist on passing someone on the sidewalk close up in a pandemic? Can you explain that?

If we were in a park or trail where it's not always possible to be 6 feet away we wear masks. But the only place we are going these days with sidewalks is our neighborhood. We are five months into this and I go on walks a few times a day in my hood. Never, not once, have I been forced to be less than 6 feet away from someone. If I/we see someone coming, I simply move out into the street or cross the street. It's not that hard!

Plenty of people are not doing that. Even at parks where the trails are narrow. Most look shocked someone else noticed there is a public park. We wear our masks, and not as chinstraps on trails as we know there will likely be others. There is also the very real issue of people thinking that 3 feet is 6.

DP. you yourself are free to move. By now people realize that no one's getting covid from briefly passing somebody 3ft instead of 6ft. Of all the kinds of human interactions going on all day every day everywhere, it's obvious that there isn't transmission this way. If it makes you anxious, then the onus is on you to move if it will make you feel better, since the risk just isn't there. And especially if you are walking side by side - you lose the right to complain about others not giving you space if you're not walking single file.

Again, HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS? Are you an epidemiologist? Infectious disease specialist? I'm guessing not. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

And no, the onus is not on me to move 6 feet away from your unmasked face. It's on ALL OF US (you, me, our kids) to wear masks to mitigate any possible risk.

Not PP, but many experts have addressed this. It is extremely unlikely that you will inhale enough virus particles to result in an infection when someone simply passes you on the street.

It would most likely occur while you were stopped talking to them, said Julian Tang, a virologist and a professor at the University of Leicester in England. He thinks the risk of infection from quickly passing someone is low, because the “massive air volume will dilute any exhaled virus and the wind may carry it away.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/30/health/running-exercising-masks-coronavirus.html

“The virus load is important,” said Eugene Chudnovsky, a physicist at Lehman College and the City University of New York’s Graduate Center. “A single virus will not make anyone sick; it will be immediately destroyed by the immune system. The belief is that one needs a few hundred to a few thousand of SARS-CoV-2 viruses to overwhelm the immune response.”

While the risk of outdoor transmission is low, it can happen. In one study of more than 7,300 cases in China, just one was connected to outdoor transmission. In that case, a 27-year-old man had a conversation outdoors with a traveler who had just returned from Wuhan. Seven days later, he had his first symptoms of Covid-19.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/15/us/coronavirus-what-to-do-outside.html

These articles are several months old. I’m not sure you should be going by such old information. New information is being assessed daily.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To the person/people on here asking for confirmation of any cases from brief sidewalk contact - why? Are you epidemiologists? Have you just ignored the hundreds of scientists who have explained countless times in the media why we should all be wearing masks whenever we leave home? Is wearing a mask that difficult? I get that kids don’t like them but none of us have ever done this before. The kids (and adults) are going to have to figure out how to make some changes. Almost every news outlet has stories with actual epidemiologists PLEADING with people to understand why we need mask compliance. Why aren’t you listening? I honestly do not get it.

I don't get why you insist on passing someone on the sidewalk close up in a pandemic? Can you explain that?

If we were in a park or trail where it's not always possible to be 6 feet away we wear masks. But the only place we are going these days with sidewalks is our neighborhood. We are five months into this and I go on walks a few times a day in my hood. Never, not once, have I been forced to be less than 6 feet away from someone. If I/we see someone coming, I simply move out into the street or cross the street. It's not that hard!

Plenty of people are not doing that. Even at parks where the trails are narrow. Most look shocked someone else noticed there is a public park. We wear our masks, and not as chinstraps on trails as we know there will likely be others. There is also the very real issue of people thinking that 3 feet is 6.

DP. you yourself are free to move. By now people realize that no one's getting covid from briefly passing somebody 3ft instead of 6ft. Of all the kinds of human interactions going on all day every day everywhere, it's obvious that there isn't transmission this way. If it makes you anxious, then the onus is on you to move if it will make you feel better, since the risk just isn't there. And especially if you are walking side by side - you lose the right to complain about others not giving you space if you're not walking single file.

Again, HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS? Are you an epidemiologist? Infectious disease specialist? I'm guessing not. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

And no, the onus is not on me to move 6 feet away from your unmasked face. It's on ALL OF US (you, me, our kids) to wear masks to mitigate any possible risk.

Not PP, but many experts have addressed this. It is extremely unlikely that you will inhale enough virus particles to result in an infection when someone simply passes you on the street.

It would most likely occur while you were stopped talking to them, said Julian Tang, a virologist and a professor at the University of Leicester in England. He thinks the risk of infection from quickly passing someone is low, because the “massive air volume will dilute any exhaled virus and the wind may carry it away.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/30/health/running-exercising-masks-coronavirus.html

“The virus load is important,” said Eugene Chudnovsky, a physicist at Lehman College and the City University of New York’s Graduate Center. “A single virus will not make anyone sick; it will be immediately destroyed by the immune system. The belief is that one needs a few hundred to a few thousand of SARS-CoV-2 viruses to overwhelm the immune response.”

While the risk of outdoor transmission is low, it can happen. In one study of more than 7,300 cases in China, just one was connected to outdoor transmission. In that case, a 27-year-old man had a conversation outdoors with a traveler who had just returned from Wuhan. Seven days later, he had his first symptoms of Covid-19.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/15/us/coronavirus-what-to-do-outside.html

These articles are several months old. I’m not sure you should be going by such old information. New information is being assessed daily.

NP, but nothing is outdated about that info. In fact, there is only more data that shows outdoor transmission is low, especially chance encounters.

The main ways people get COVID are bars, indoor dining, churches, home gatherings, etc. when people are indoors and are breathing the same air.

[Anonymous]

PP here that posted the articles (those are just the first I found). If you understand viral load, you'll understand that the same principle applies now. Unless you have a very compromised immune system, and/or the stars align such that someone sneezes directly in your face and you inhale it as they walk past, you're extremely unlikely to get infected by someone passing you for a fraction of a second.

[Anonymous]

I don't wear a mask when I'm walking around my neighborhood. It's easy to get away from people and be further than 6 ft away. The only issue is when I am on a nature trail but usually it's easy enough to step off the trail and get far away from another person if they're passing.

[Anonymous]

NP. Just look at the data. While we were on lockdown, but allowed to exercise outdoors, everyone was outside walking and running on trails. That was prior to the mask mandates, so most people were not masked at the time. Transmission of the virus was very low, almost zero where I live. All of the cases at the time came from nursing homes and meat processing plants in my area.

Cases then escalated as soon as stores, bars, and restaurants opened, which are much higher risk scenarios than walking outside unmasked.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
You people live so inverted. You're the ones paranoid and irrational. People without masks in nature and on streets acting normal (i.e. not muzzled) are not required to adjust to you. You are required to adjust to them/us.

Try again? You have to delete the second set of brackets that say anonymous....there will be two at beginning of post.

Also you are a bit emotional. And dead wrong about people being irrational. It’s a true concern and not even trying to
wear a mask at this point is dangerous. Ask Chuck Woolrey.

I wish we could just drop kick all the anti-mask and anti-vaxxers on to their own little island so they could prove how great their immune systems work without Darwin style and then people who believe in science and rational thinking can have their country back.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To the person/people on here asking for confirmation of any cases from brief sidewalk contact - why? Are you epidemiologists? Have you just ignored the hundreds of scientists who have explained countless times in the media why we should all be wearing masks whenever we leave home? Is wearing a mask that difficult? I get that kids don’t like them but none of us have ever done this before. The kids (and adults) are going to have to figure out how to make some changes. Almost every news outlet has stories with actual epidemiologists PLEADING with people to understand why we need mask compliance. Why aren’t you listening? I honestly do not get it.

I don't get why you insist on passing someone on the sidewalk close up in a pandemic? Can you explain that?

If we were in a park or trail where it's not always possible to be 6 feet away we wear masks. But the only place we are going these days with sidewalks is our neighborhood. We are five months into this and I go on walks a few times a day in my hood. Never, not once, have I been forced to be less than 6 feet away from someone. If I/we see someone coming, I simply move out into the street or cross the street. It's not that hard!

Same here. I live in a neighborhood with tons of people who walk (almost everyone owns a dog). I will see dozens of people every morning on my walk and yet NOT ONCE have I ever been less than six feet away from anyone. Literally not one time.

[Anonymous]

I have been running outside since the beginning. Originally I was mainly running in bike lanes on the street but moved back to the crowded trails months ago when it was shown that outdoor transmission was extremely unlikely. I mask up indoors only, never outside.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
You people live so inverted. You're the ones paranoid and irrational. People without masks in nature and on streets acting normal (i.e. not muzzled) are not required to adjust to you. You are required to adjust to them/us.

Try again? You have to delete the second set of brackets that say anonymous....there will be two at beginning of post.

Also you are a bit emotional. And dead wrong about people being irrational. It’s a true concern and not even trying to
wear a mask at this point is dangerous. Ask Chuck Woolrey.

I wish we could just drop kick all the anti-mask and anti-vaxxers on to their own little island so they could prove how great their immune systems work without Darwin style and then people who believe in science and rational thinking can have their country back.

They will deny their culpability til their last day. It’s obnoxious b

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP. Just look at the data. While we were on lockdown, but allowed to exercise outdoors, everyone was outside walking and running on trails. That was prior to the mask mandates, so most people were not masked at the time. Transmission of the virus was very low, almost zero where I live. All of the cases at the time came from nursing homes and meat processing plants in my area.

Cases then escalated as soon as stores, bars, and restaurants opened, which are much higher risk scenarios than walking outside unmasked.

Yup. No one is getting covid outdoors in swift passes even inches apart.

Churches, bars, indoor parties...then bringing it home. Those are the culprits.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP. Just look at the data. While we were on lockdown, but allowed to exercise outdoors, everyone was outside walking and running on trails. That was prior to the mask mandates, so most people were not masked at the time. Transmission of the virus was very low, almost zero where I live. All of the cases at the time came from nursing homes and meat processing plants in my area.

Cases then escalated as soon as stores, bars, and restaurants opened, which are much higher risk scenarios than walking outside unmasked.

Yup. No one is getting covid outdoors in swift passes even inches apart.

Churches, bars, indoor parties...then bringing it home. Those are the culprits.

These are also the culprits…

[Anonymous]

There are two types of people:

1 - "I don't have to wear a mask any time I'm not at home because it's probably not going to protect me anyway"

2 - "We don't know everything about this virus, but we do know that masks prevent community spread, so I'll wear this mask when I'm not at home to protect myself and others"

It's not hard to care about other people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are two types of people:

1 - "I don't have to wear a mask any time I'm not at home because it's probably not going to protect me anyway"

2 - "We don't know everything about this virus, but we do know that masks prevent community spread, so I'll wear this mask when I'm not at home to protect myself and others"

It's not hard to care about other people.

And there it is. It really is that simple.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are two types of people:

1 - "I don't have to wear a mask any time I'm not at home because it's probably not going to protect me anyway"

2 - "We don't know everything about this virus, but we do know that masks prevent community spread, so I'll wear this mask when I'm not at home to protect myself and others"

It's not hard to care about other people.

There you have it, people who only see it as black/white, do or don't do. Don't touch anything, sanitize everything, don't do anything, don't go anywhere, mask always even in your car. Or go out, hug everyone, party everywhere, never wear a mask, and lick doorknobs.

There's a lot of healthy, reasonable, rational, middle ground.