One in Five Teachers Say They Won’t Return to School in the Fall

[Anonymous]

Let's not talk about the teachers at the very tippy top of the pay scale in DCPS. The median teacher salary in DC is $64,000. In Maryland, the median pay is $60,000, and in Virginia, the median pay is $58,000.

[Anonymous]

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Again I think only a tiny fraction will leave. Jobs with summers off don’t grow on trees. The ones that can afford to just stop working were probably considering that anyway.

Teachers do not get summers off. They are contract employees, with contracts that run from August to June. In June, they must surrender their keys and ID cards, and are not paid during the summer months. ("Summers off" would be paid leave). In the fall, they return under a new contract. Please get it right.

You don’t work in the summer. You have summers off. Paid or unpaid, doesn’t matter. You aren’t working. You are off. It is a huge perk for a professional career. Why is this such a touchy topic?

Jealousy

In DC a teacher can now make almost $120k. Given that they're on a 10-month contract, on an annualized basis that's close to $144k (=$120/10*12). Plus you get off at 3pm, plus all that vacation, plus all that job security. With so many other folks having recently lost their jobs and/or being forced to go back to work, is it any wonder why some of us are getting tired of the constant whining by teachers?

You need to have taught at least 21 years and have a PhD to get paid close to $120k. And after that you do not get an increase in pay for the rest of your career unless they renegotiate the contract. You really think working 21 years and having a PhD shouldn't get you $120k in this region of the country?

[Anonymous]

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Again I think only a tiny fraction will leave. Jobs with summers off don’t grow on trees. The ones that can afford to just stop working were probably considering that anyway.

Teachers do not get summers off. They are contract employees, with contracts that run from August to June. In June, they must surrender their keys and ID cards, and are not paid during the summer months. ("Summers off" would be paid leave). In the fall, they return under a new contract. Please get it right.

You don’t work in the summer. You have summers off. Paid or unpaid, doesn’t matter. You aren’t working. You are off. It is a huge perk for a professional career. Why is this such a touchy topic?

Jealousy

In DC a teacher can now make almost $120k. Given that they're on a 10-month contract, on an annualized basis that's close to $144k (=$120/10*12). Plus you get off at 3pm, plus all that vacation, plus all that job security. With so many other folks having recently lost their jobs and/or being forced to go back to work, is it any wonder why some of us are getting tired of the constant whining by teachers?

You need to have taught at least 21 years and have a PhD to get paid close to $120k. And after that you do not get an increase in pay for the rest of your career unless they renegotiate the contract. You really think working 21 years and having a PhD shouldn't get you $120k in this region of the country?

I think all the people who are upset that a teacher who has worked for 21 years and has a PhD should tell us their salary, seniority, and level of education so we can decide if they deserve it.

[Anonymous]

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Again I think only a tiny fraction will leave. Jobs with summers off don’t grow on trees. The ones that can afford to just stop working were probably considering that anyway.

Teachers do not get summers off. They are contract employees, with contracts that run from August to June. In June, they must surrender their keys and ID cards, and are not paid during the summer months. ("Summers off" would be paid leave). In the fall, they return under a new contract. Please get it right.

You don’t work in the summer. You have summers off. Paid or unpaid, doesn’t matter. You aren’t working. You are off. It is a huge perk for a professional career. Why is this such a touchy topic?

Jealousy

In DC a teacher can now make almost $120k. Given that they're on a 10-month contract, on an annualized basis that's close to $144k (=$120/10*12). Plus you get off at 3pm, plus all that vacation, plus all that job security. With so many other folks having recently lost their jobs and/or being forced to go back to work, is it any wonder why some of us are getting tired of the constant whining by teachers?

You need to have taught at least 21 years and have a PhD to get paid close to $120k. And after that you do not get an increase in pay for the rest of your career unless they renegotiate the contract. You really think working 21 years and having a PhD shouldn't get you $120k in this region of the country?

Nobody is saying that an annualized salary of $144k is not justified, PROVIDED that such teachers go back to actually teaching this fall.

[Anonymous]

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Again I think only a tiny fraction will leave. Jobs with summers off don’t grow on trees. The ones that can afford to just stop working were probably considering that anyway.

Teachers do not get summers off. They are contract employees, with contracts that run from August to June. In June, they must surrender their keys and ID cards, and are not paid during the summer months. ("Summers off" would be paid leave). In the fall, they return under a new contract. Please get it right.

You don’t work in the summer. You have summers off. Paid or unpaid, doesn’t matter. You aren’t working. You are off. It is a huge perk for a professional career. Why is this such a touchy topic?

Jealousy

In DC a teacher can now make almost $120k. Given that they're on a 10-month contract, on an annualized basis that's close to $144k (=$120/10*12). Plus you get off at 3pm, plus all that vacation, plus all that job security. With so many other folks having recently lost their jobs and/or being forced to go back to work, is it any wonder why some of us are getting tired of the constant whining by teachers?

You need to have taught at least 21 years and have a PhD to get paid close to $120k. And after that you do not get an increase in pay for the rest of your career unless they renegotiate the contract. You really think working 21 years and having a PhD shouldn't get you $120k in this region of the country?

Nobody is saying that an annualized salary of $144k is not justified, PROVIDED that such teachers go back to actually teaching this fall.

It sure sounded like PP was listing lots of reasons the salary was unjustified.

[Anonymous]

I teach for FCPS. I just completed my 27th year and have an MA +30. My salary is just over $102k for 194 days. During the school year I would estimate I work ~52-55 hours/week. During distance learning I would say it was ~20-25 hours/week. I do not work in the summer.

I will return in the fall.

[Anonymous]

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Again I think only a tiny fraction will leave. Jobs with summers off don’t grow on trees. The ones that can afford to just stop working were probably considering that anyway.

Teachers do not get summers off. They are contract employees, with contracts that run from August to June. In June, they must surrender their keys and ID cards, and are not paid during the summer months. ("Summers off" would be paid leave). In the fall, they return under a new contract. Please get it right.

You don’t work in the summer. You have summers off. Paid or unpaid, doesn’t matter. You aren’t working. You are off. It is a huge perk for a professional career. Why is this such a touchy topic?

Jealousy

In DC a teacher can now make almost $120k. Given that they're on a 10-month contract, on an annualized basis that's close to $144k (=$120/10*12). Plus you get off at 3pm, plus all that vacation, plus all that job security. With so many other folks having recently lost their jobs and/or being forced to go back to work, is it any wonder why some of us are getting tired of the constant whining by teachers?

I think your 12/10 multiplier is a little bit off. It doesn't account for vacation days given to those with "normal" yearly jobs. Teachers get 10 sick days per school year. I would guess that the average salaried professional would have 5 sick days plus at least 3 or 4 weeks of vacation per year, correct? Anyway, just something to consider.

[Anonymous]

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Again I think only a tiny fraction will leave. Jobs with summers off don’t grow on trees. The ones that can afford to just stop working were probably considering that anyway.

Teachers do not get summers off. They are contract employees, with contracts that run from August to June. In June, they must surrender their keys and ID cards, and are not paid during the summer months. ("Summers off" would be paid leave). In the fall, they return under a new contract. Please get it right.

You don’t work in the summer. You have summers off. Paid or unpaid, doesn’t matter. You aren’t working. You are off. It is a huge perk for a professional career. Why is this such a touchy topic?

Jealousy

In DC a teacher can now make almost $120k. Given that they're on a 10-month contract, on an annualized basis that's close to $144k (=$120/10*12). Plus you get off at 3pm, plus all that vacation, plus all that job security. With so many other folks having recently lost their jobs and/or being forced to go back to work, is it any wonder why some of us are getting tired of the constant whining by teachers?

I think your 12/10 multiplier is a little bit off. It doesn't account for vacation days given to those with "normal" yearly jobs. Teachers get 10 sick days per school year. I would guess that the average salaried professional would have 5 sick days plus at least 3 or 4 weeks of vacation per year, correct? Anyway, just something to consider.

NP - teachers get winter/spring break, which accounts for the 2 weeks of vacation that other employees typically get. (We start at 2 and move up to 3.)

[Anonymous]

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Again I think only a tiny fraction will leave. Jobs with summers off don’t grow on trees. The ones that can afford to just stop working were probably considering that anyway.

Teachers do not get summers off. They are contract employees, with contracts that run from August to June. In June, they must surrender their keys and ID cards, and are not paid during the summer months. ("Summers off" would be paid leave). In the fall, they return under a new contract. Please get it right.

You don’t work in the summer. You have summers off. Paid or unpaid, doesn’t matter. You aren’t working. You are off. It is a huge perk for a professional career. Why is this such a touchy topic?

Jealousy

In DC a teacher can now make almost $120k. Given that they're on a 10-month contract, on an annualized basis that's close to $144k (=$120/10*12). Plus you get off at 3pm, plus all that vacation, plus all that job security. With so many other folks having recently lost their jobs and/or being forced to go back to work, is it any wonder why some of us are getting tired of the constant whining by teachers?

I think your 12/10 multiplier is a little bit off. It doesn't account for vacation days given to those with "normal" yearly jobs. Teachers get 10 sick days per school year. I would guess that the average salaried professional would have 5 sick days plus at least 3 or 4 weeks of vacation per year, correct? Anyway, just something to consider.

[Anonymous]

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Again I think only a tiny fraction will leave. Jobs with summers off don’t grow on trees. The ones that can afford to just stop working were probably considering that anyway.

Teachers do not get summers off. They are contract employees, with contracts that run from August to June. In June, they must surrender their keys and ID cards, and are not paid during the summer months. ("Summers off" would be paid leave). In the fall, they return under a new contract. Please get it right.

You don’t work in the summer. You have summers off. Paid or unpaid, doesn’t matter. You aren’t working. You are off. It is a huge perk for a professional career. Why is this such a touchy topic?

Jealousy

In DC a teacher can now make almost $120k. Given that they're on a 10-month contract, on an annualized basis that's close to $144k (=$120/10*12). Plus you get off at 3pm, plus all that vacation, plus all that job security. With so many other folks having recently lost their jobs and/or being forced to go back to work, is it any wonder why some of us are getting tired of the constant whining by teachers?

I think your 12/10 multiplier is a little bit off. It doesn't account for vacation days given to those with "normal" yearly jobs. Teachers get 10 sick days per school year. I would guess that the average salaried professional would have 5 sick days plus at least 3 or 4 weeks of vacation per year, correct? Anyway, just something to consider.

NP - teachers get winter/spring break, which accounts for the 2 weeks of vacation that other employees typically get. (We start at 2 and move up to 3.)

Oh yeah... good point! I didn't think about that. Sorry teachers, sounds like I didn't help your argument much. PP, how long have you been working? I'm sorry that you only get 3 weeks off. I get 5 weeks off after working 20 years. (In addition to 5 sick days and 6 federal holidays.)

[Anonymous]

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Again I think only a tiny fraction will leave. Jobs with summers off don’t grow on trees. The ones that can afford to just stop working were probably considering that anyway.

Teachers do not get summers off. They are contract employees, with contracts that run from August to June. In June, they must surrender their keys and ID cards, and are not paid during the summer months. ("Summers off" would be paid leave). In the fall, they return under a new contract. Please get it right.

You don’t work in the summer. You have summers off. Paid or unpaid, doesn’t matter. You aren’t working. You are off. It is a huge perk for a professional career. Why is this such a touchy topic?

Jealousy

In DC a teacher can now make almost $120k. Given that they're on a 10-month contract, on an annualized basis that's close to $144k (=$120/10*12). Plus you get off at 3pm, plus all that vacation, plus all that job security. With so many other folks having recently lost their jobs and/or being forced to go back to work, is it any wonder why some of us are getting tired of the constant whining by teachers?

I think your 12/10 multiplier is a little bit off. It doesn't account for vacation days given to those with "normal" yearly jobs. Teachers get 10 sick days per school year. I would guess that the average salaried professional would have 5 sick days plus at least 3 or 4 weeks of vacation per year, correct? Anyway, just something to consider.

NP - teachers get winter/spring break, which accounts for the 2 weeks of vacation that other employees typically get. (We start at 2 and move up to 3.)

Oh yeah... good point! I didn't think about that. Sorry teachers, sounds like I didn't help your argument much. PP, how long have you been working? I'm sorry that you only get 3 weeks off. I get 5 weeks off after working 20 years. (In addition to 5 sick days and 6 federal holidays.)

I have been there 3 years. Just went up to 3 weeks! I need a new job, but now is not the time ....

[Anonymous]

JFC

“I get 5 weeks off after working 20 years...”

Feeling free yet?

[Anonymous]

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Again I think only a tiny fraction will leave. Jobs with summers off don’t grow on trees. The ones that can afford to just stop working were probably considering that anyway.

Teachers do not get summers off. They are contract employees, with contracts that run from August to June. In June, they must surrender their keys and ID cards, and are not paid during the summer months. ("Summers off" would be paid leave). In the fall, they return under a new contract. Please get it right.

You don’t work in the summer. You have summers off. Paid or unpaid, doesn’t matter. You aren’t working. You are off. It is a huge perk for a professional career. Why is this such a touchy topic?

Jealousy

In DC a teacher can now make almost $120k. Given that they're on a 10-month contract, on an annualized basis that's close to $144k (=$120/10*12). Plus you get off at 3pm, plus all that vacation, plus all that job security. With so many other folks having recently lost their jobs and/or being forced to go back to work, is it any wonder why some of us are getting tired of the constant whining by teachers?

I think your 12/10 multiplier is a little bit off. It doesn't account for vacation days given to those with "normal" yearly jobs. Teachers get 10 sick days per school year. I would guess that the average salaried professional would have 5 sick days plus at least 3 or 4 weeks of vacation per year, correct? Anyway, just something to consider.

NP - teachers get winter/spring break, which accounts for the 2 weeks of vacation that other employees typically get. (We start at 2 and move up to 3.)

Oh yeah... good point! I didn't think about that. Sorry teachers, sounds like I didn't help your argument much. PP, how long have you been working? I'm sorry that you only get 3 weeks off. I get 5 weeks off after working 20 years. (In addition to 5 sick days and 6 federal holidays.)

If you think it's so great, why don't you become a teacher?

[Anonymous]

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Again I think only a tiny fraction will leave. Jobs with summers off don’t grow on trees. The ones that can afford to just stop working were probably considering that anyway.

Teachers do not get summers off. They are contract employees, with contracts that run from August to June. In June, they must surrender their keys and ID cards, and are not paid during the summer months. ("Summers off" would be paid leave). In the fall, they return under a new contract. Please get it right.

You don’t work in the summer. You have summers off. Paid or unpaid, doesn’t matter. You aren’t working. You are off. It is a huge perk for a professional career. Why is this such a touchy topic?

Jealousy

In DC a teacher can now make almost $120k. Given that they're on a 10-month contract, on an annualized basis that's close to $144k (=$120/10*12). Plus you get off at 3pm, plus all that vacation, plus all that job security. With so many other folks having recently lost their jobs and/or being forced to go back to work, is it any wonder why some of us are getting tired of the constant whining by teachers?

I think your 12/10 multiplier is a little bit off. It doesn't account for vacation days given to those with "normal" yearly jobs. Teachers get 10 sick days per school year. I would guess that the average salaried professional would have 5 sick days plus at least 3 or 4 weeks of vacation per year, correct? Anyway, just something to consider.

NP - teachers get winter/spring break, which accounts for the 2 weeks of vacation that other employees typically get. (We start at 2 and move up to 3.)

Oh yeah... good point! I didn't think about that. Sorry teachers, sounds like I didn't help your argument much. PP, how long have you been working? I'm sorry that you only get 3 weeks off. I get 5 weeks off after working 20 years. (In addition to 5 sick days and 6 federal holidays.)

If you think it's so great, why don't you become a teacher?

Ummm, I don't think I'm the person that you should be snarking at...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:not very promising...

https://www.weareteachers.com/teachers-afraid-to-go-back/?utm_source=WAT_MDR&utm_medium=Enews&utm_campaign=WAT_Enews06112020

I have read many posters talking about there are no teacher shortages and that teachers would not resign.

Talk about uncertainty!

What could this really mean for our children?

There are plenty of new teachers graduating from their programs desperate for a job. What it means is we will have a less experienced staff, but also likely more optimistic and less cynical about the profession. It will cost the school system less. Some will be stars who were meant for this, others will be green as can be. Some of who we lose will be true seasoned gems and a huge loss, a small subset of who leaves will be teachers who don't belong in the profession anyway.

The vast majority of first year teachers are not that good. There is a huge learning curve and I would say true confidence and ability comes around year five. All of the superstar teachers I know sucked their first year and readily admit it .

Well in my experience the vast majority of distance learning was not that good, so pick your poison!