One in Five Teachers Say They Won’t Return to School in the Fall

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it will vary by state. I have a friend who left the corporate world to get trained to be a teacher. She did one of those alternate programs. She is in a state where teachers are paid well and get tenure. Well nobody wanted to leave their job. She ended up subbing and then moving on to a job where she could get health insurance.

As far as I’m concerned tenure is a thing of the past. DCUMers and the likes nationwide didn’t like that teachers were set for life (professionally speaking) and so they got rid of such privilege. FL started it and the rest followed suit.

Can you sure which state your friend is in?

Aren’t the federal government workers the same? Hard to fire and set for life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it will vary by state. I have a friend who left the corporate world to get trained to be a teacher. She did one of those alternate programs. She is in a state where teachers are paid well and get tenure. Well nobody wanted to leave their job. She ended up subbing and then moving on to a job where she could get health insurance.

As far as I’m concerned tenure is a thing of the past. DCUMers and the likes nationwide didn’t like that teachers were set for life (professionally speaking) and so they got rid of such privilege. FL started it and the rest followed suit.

Can you sure which state your friend is in?

Yeah teachers don’t leave as often in tenure states. It sounds like PP’s friend never got to teach. I subbed for two years in a tenure state because it’s really competitive to get a teaching job. Now I teach around here. However, I have a job next year and in my home state tons of teachers are getting laid off even some with tenure. It’s bad up there right now.

What’s your home state?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Teachers should not hold the US economy hostage. By refusing to go back to school this is what is happening.
If they do, it should be treated like the air traffic control or defunding of police. Fire all of them and have them re-apply and give exingency teacher certs to qualified people.

How is qualified defined in this scenario?

It won’t be. Trump would allow states to decide. Most states would set the bar as low as a HS diploma and no criminal record. Poof! Jerry who delivered pizzas last week is now qualified to teach your 3rd grader.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:LCPS sent an email about FTE getting impacted.

Hybrid model is good to appeal the masses. It is not practical whatsoever and there are no $$ to back it up.

Distance learning will be the norm until the end of the year AT A MINIMUM.

What does the bolded mean? Loudon County is letting some teaching staff go? RIFs?

Hybrid model makes sense to be able to meet the needs of those who want face to face and those who want distance learning -- and to be able to send kids home for distance learning if need be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:not very promising...

https://www.weareteachers.com/teachers-afraid-to-go-back/?utm_source=WAT_MDR&utm_medium=Enews&utm_campaign=WAT_Enews06112020

I have read many posters talking about there are no teacher shortages and that teachers would not resign.

Talk about uncertainty!

What could this really mean for our children?

There are plenty of new teachers graduating from their programs desperate for a job. What it means is we will have a less experienced staff, but also likely more optimistic and less cynical about the profession. It will cost the school system less. Some will be stars who were meant for this, others will be green as can be. Some of who we lose will be true seasoned gems and a huge loss, a small subset of who leaves will be teachers who don't belong in the profession anyway.

The vast majority of first year teachers are not that good. There is a huge learning curve and I would say true confidence and ability comes around year five. All of the superstar teachers I know sucked their first year and readily admit it .

[Anonymous]

Oh and to add I was super optimistic my first year as we’re all the other first year teachers I worked with, and we all sucked at actually teaching that year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LCPS sent an email about FTE getting impacted.

Hybrid model is good to appeal the masses. It is not practical whatsoever and there are no $$ to back it up.

Distance learning will be the norm until the end of the year AT A MINIMUM.

What does the bolded mean? Loudon County is letting some teaching staff go? RIFs?

Hybrid model makes sense to be able to meet the needs of those who want face to face and those who want distance learning -- and to be able to send kids home for distance learning if need be.

Yes. People will lose their jobs. Hybrid model does make sense but how do you implement it?

Who stays home? Who stays inside the germ-infected schools?

Who pays for such model?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:not very promising...

https://www.weareteachers.com/teachers-afraid-to-go-back/?utm_source=WAT_MDR&utm_medium=Enews&utm_campaign=WAT_Enews06112020

I have read many posters talking about there are no teacher shortages and that teachers would not resign.

Talk about uncertainty!

What could this really mean for our children?

It’s an anonymous survey. They are bluffing you try to get what they want from the higher ups.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LCPS sent an email about FTE getting impacted.

Hybrid model is good to appeal the masses. It is not practical whatsoever and there are no $$ to back it up.

Distance learning will be the norm until the end of the year AT A MINIMUM.

What does the bolded mean? Loudon County is letting some teaching staff go? RIFs?

Hybrid model makes sense to be able to meet the needs of those who want face to face and those who want distance learning -- and to be able to send kids home for distance learning if need be.

Yes. People will lose their jobs. Hybrid model does make sense but how do you implement it?

Who stays home? Who stays inside the germ-infected schools?

Who pays for such model?

The parents demanding F2F could send their kids. Teachers and hired-in-mid-Aug-but-not-really-teachers willing to work F2F can teach those kids. Everyone else does DL.

[Anonymous]

They need to get rid of teacher certification. Hire anyone with a college degree (after interview and teacher demo)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They need to get rid of teacher certification. Hire anyone with a college degree (after interview and teacher demo)

That isn’t going to happen. What about all the parents screaming that their children’s educations are being sacrificed? They don’t actually care and just want babysitting

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They need to get rid of teacher certification. Hire anyone with a college degree (after interview and teacher demo)

That isn’t going to happen. What about all the parents screaming that their children’s educations are being sacrificed? They don’t actually care and just want babysitting

+1

Teaching is not as easy as you might think. I know plenty of Ivy League grads who did TFA and got their butts kicked in the classroom. It’s not just about being smart or knowing the content. There is classroom management, interactions with students, parents, lesson planning, etc.

These threads are starting to make me think there should be a compulsory teach for a week for all college grads. So they can see how difficult it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They need to get rid of teacher certification. Hire anyone with a college degree (after interview and teacher demo)

That isn’t going to happen. What about all the parents screaming that their children’s educations are being sacrificed? They don’t actually care and just want babysitting

+1

Teaching is not as easy as you might think. I know plenty of Ivy League grads who did TFA and got their butts kicked in the classroom. It’s not just about being smart or knowing the content. There is classroom management, interactions with students, parents, lesson planning, etc.

These threads are starting to make me think there should be a compulsory teach for a week for all college grads. So they can see how difficult it is.

The classroom management part is by far the hardest component. And if you don't get that down, you're not teaching anything at all. Your entire time in the classroom is spent trying to control the room. If parents (who are genuinely interested in their kid's education) saw classrooms like this they'd pull their child immediately.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LCPS sent an email about FTE getting impacted.

Hybrid model is good to appeal the masses. It is not practical whatsoever and there are no $$ to back it up.

Distance learning will be the norm until the end of the year AT A MINIMUM.

What does the bolded mean? Loudon County is letting some teaching staff go? RIFs?

Hybrid model makes sense to be able to meet the needs of those who want face to face and those who want distance learning -- and to be able to send kids home for distance learning if need be.

Yes. People will lose their jobs. Hybrid model does make sense but how do you implement it?

Who stays home? Who stays inside the germ-infected schools?

Who pays for such model?

The parents demanding F2F could send their kids. Teachers and hired-in-mid-Aug-but-not-really-teachers willing to work F2F can teach those kids. Everyone else does DL.

I think this would be a good solution. Parents demanding F2F could get the desperate not-really-teachers who need a job and can't afford to care about catching COVID. It's probable that those students will also be the classroom management problems, so it will just end up being babysitting anyhow.

Let the kids who can learn at home get DL from the real teachers who can't go in due to prexisiting conditions, etc..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They need to get rid of teacher certification. Hire anyone with a college degree (after interview and teacher demo)

That isn’t going to happen. What about all the parents screaming that their children’s educations are being sacrificed? They don’t actually care and just want babysitting

+1

Teaching is not as easy as you might think. I know plenty of Ivy League grads who did TFA and got their butts kicked in the classroom. It’s not just about being smart or knowing the content. There is classroom management, interactions with students, parents, lesson planning, etc.

These threads are starting to make me think there should be a compulsory teach for a week for all college grads. So they can see how difficult it is.

The classroom management part is by far the hardest component. And if you don't get that down, you're not teaching anything at all. Your entire time in the classroom is spent trying to control the room. If parents (who are genuinely interested in their kid's education) saw classrooms like this they'd pull their child immediately.

I see a lot of parents on here complaining about how they can’t engage or control their own child, but still bashing teachers who manage to do so with thirty of them every day. Truly boggles the mind.