Question for Michigan residents - how do in-state people view the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor

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Anonymous wrote:Funny, re Hillsdale. This is a targeted ad that just showed up in my Facebook newsfeed: https://lp.hillsdale.edu/2019-national-survey-on-socialism/

This is just plain scary coming from an institution of higher education — seems more like a Breitbart publication. It’s like the people who created this and approved this has never taken an introductory course on research methodology. Leading questions. Non-exhaustive response options. Biased framing. Yikes! If this the type of content your institution of “sound education” produces, I can take nothing else you say seriously. (To 18:44).

Holy shit! I teach AP Government to 10th and 11th graders and am always looking for examples of garbage surveys when we get to the topics on political surveying and public opinion. Bookmarking this one for sure.

Wow. Mentioning Hillsdale scares the wits out of the leftists. It's like displaying a cross to Dracula! Hillsdale must be doing something right. I guess that's why they're prospering, while so many other formerly elite schools are foundering.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To in-state private school families, it generally goes like this below. Many families with high stat kids choose private tier 2s over huge Michigan for undergrad studies. Paying out-of-state tuition at Indiana is a way to flaunt your family money over sending your average stats kid to Michigan State.

Tier 1: Notre Dame, Northwestern, Duke, USC, Ivies
Tier 2: Michigan, Kalamazoo, Hillsdale, Albion
Tier 3: Indiana, Hope, Miami-OH, Dayton, Loyola-Chicago
Tier 4: Michigan State, U of Detroit-Mercy
Tier 5: the rest, as all the rest are basically open admit

Yeah this is totally wrong and weird

-- Michigan native

+1

-- another Michigander

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Funny, re Hillsdale. This is a targeted ad that just showed up in my Facebook newsfeed: https://lp.hillsdale.edu/2019-national-survey-on-socialism/

This is just plain scary coming from an institution of higher education — seems more like a Breitbart publication. It’s like the people who created this and approved this has never taken an introductory course on research methodology. Leading questions. Non-exhaustive response options. Biased framing. Yikes! If this the type of content your institution of “sound education” produces, I can take nothing else you say seriously. (To 18:44).

Holy shit! I teach AP Government to 10th and 11th graders and am always looking for examples of garbage surveys when we get to the topics on political surveying and public opinion. Bookmarking this one for sure.

What textbook do you use in your AP courses? Howard Zinn?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To in-state private school families, it generally goes like this below. Many families with high stat kids choose private tier 2s over huge Michigan for undergrad studies. Paying out-of-state tuition at Indiana is a way to flaunt your family money over sending your average stats kid to Michigan State.

Tier 1: Notre Dame, Northwestern, Duke, USC, Ivies
Tier 2: Michigan, Kalamazoo, Hillsdale, Albion
Tier 3: Indiana, Hope, Miami-OH, Dayton, Loyola-Chicago
Tier 4: Michigan State, U of Detroit-Mercy
Tier 5: the rest, as all the rest are basically open admit

Yeah this is totally wrong and weird

-- Michigan native

+1

-- another Michigander

You can split hairs, but the list is pretty accurate -- especially to UMC, private and Catholic school families. But I can see how it may offend myopic public school lifers who largely only entertain tailgate states.

[Anonymous]

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Do you rate Albion above Alma? How about Adrian? Olivet?

Hillsdale I can see. It has a national rep, drawing 2/3ds of its students from out-of-state. Kids actually work hard there. Lots of required courses. Tuition is kept low, because students can't use taxpayer-subsidized loans to pay their tuition.

UM-Ann Arbor pads its coffers by drawing upwards of half its student body from out-of-state (and these out-of-staters pay big bucks to attend a sports-obsessed factory).

Indiana and Miami University fit the movie ideal of the perfect campus setting.

Isn't Kalamazoo a hippie school?

Who wants to freeze his ass off at MSU?

Why go to Detroit-Mercy when Wayne State is available? And Wayne State is closer to the DIA.

Private. Wayne State is a laughing stock degree mill.

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Anonymous wrote:To in-state private school families, it generally goes like this below. Many families with high stat kids choose private tier 2s over huge Michigan for undergrad studies. Paying out-of-state tuition at Indiana is a way to flaunt your family money over sending your average stats kid to Michigan State.

Tier 1: Notre Dame, Northwestern, Duke, USC, Ivies
Tier 2: Michigan, Kalamazoo, Hillsdale, Albion
Tier 3: Indiana, Hope, Miami-OH, Dayton, Loyola-Chicago
Tier 4: Michigan State, U of Detroit-Mercy
Tier 5: the rest, as all the rest are basically open admit

Yeah this is totally wrong and weird

-- Michigan native

+1

-- another Michigander

You can split hairs, but the list is pretty accurate -- especially to UMC, private and Catholic school families. But I can see how it may offend myopic public school lifers who largely only entertain tailgate states.

Eh, pretty much every Michigander on this thread said the list is strange and inaccurate.

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Anonymous wrote:If your kid goes to UM for college, safe bet they won’t be living in Michigan after college. Almost a certainty they’ll be working in Chicago if not Seattle, California, D.C. or New York.

UVA kids on average tend to stick around D.C.

Agree with this. None of my DCs Michigander friends are living in Michigan. Although they are recent grads so some might go back at some point? And I don’t think any of DCs OOS friends (including DC) stayed in Michigan, except to stay on at UMich for grad school.

It's simple - a lack of opportunity in the Detroit Metro Area. The region is not growing.

I don't know if this is so accurate anymore. Detroit has experienced pretty dramatic revitalization. I think there is lots of opportunity for STEM majors, certainly.

Of course, no one knows how this pandemic may shake things up.

[Anonymous]

I grew up in Southwest Michigan and can tell you that Hillsdale is obviously highly ideological and a turn off to a vast majority of people. I suspect that most graduates stay in the area, as certain parts of Southern and Western Michigan are quite conservative.

Of course, U of M is considered #1 in the state. But these types of questions don't mean much, as picking a college is obviously a very individual thing. And several years out of college, nobody really cares where you went to school anyway.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Funny, re Hillsdale. This is a targeted ad that just showed up in my Facebook newsfeed: https://lp.hillsdale.edu/2019-national-survey-on-socialism/

This is just plain scary coming from an institution of higher education — seems more like a Breitbart publication. It’s like the people who created this and approved this has never taken an introductory course on research methodology. Leading questions. Non-exhaustive response options. Biased framing. Yikes! If this the type of content your institution of “sound education” produces, I can take nothing else you say seriously. (To 18:44).

Holy shit! I teach AP Government to 10th and 11th graders and am always looking for examples of garbage surveys when we get to the topics on political surveying and public opinion. Bookmarking this one for sure.

Wow. Mentioning Hillsdale scares the wits out of the leftists. It's like displaying a cross to Dracula! Hillsdale must be doing something right. I guess that's why they're prospering, while so many other formerly elite schools are foundering.

Wait, are you defending this survey as proper research methodology?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To in-state private school families, it generally goes like this below. Many families with high stat kids choose private tier 2s over huge Michigan for undergrad studies. Paying out-of-state tuition at Indiana is a way to flaunt your family money over sending your average stats kid to Michigan State.

Tier 1: Notre Dame, Northwestern, Duke, USC, Ivies
Tier 2: Michigan, Kalamazoo, Hillsdale, Albion
Tier 3: Indiana, Hope, Miami-OH, Dayton, Loyola-Chicago
Tier 4: Michigan State, U of Detroit-Mercy
Tier 5: the rest, as all the rest are basically open admit

Yeah this is totally wrong and weird

-- Michigan native

+1

-- another Michigander

You can split hairs, but the list is pretty accurate -- especially to UMC, private and Catholic school families. But I can see how it may offend myopic public school lifers who largely only entertain tailgate states.

Lol. Go look at the college matriculation at Country Day or Cranbrook. Not too many kids heading to Hillsdale or Albion or Detroit Mercy LMAO

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I grew up in Southwest Michigan and can tell you that Hillsdale is obviously highly ideological and a turn off to a vast majority of people. I suspect that most graduates stay in the area, as certain parts of Southern and Western Michigan are quite conservative.

Of course, U of M is considered #1 in the state. But these types of questions don't mean much, as picking a college is obviously a very individual thing. And several years out of college, nobody really cares where you went to school anyway.

Or they go on to work at Family Research Council or The Heritage Foundation or the Cato Institute.

[Anonymous]

What does UMC mean?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What does UMC mean?

Upper middle class

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Anonymous wrote:To in-state private school families, it generally goes like this below. Many families with high stat kids choose private tier 2s over huge Michigan for undergrad studies. Paying out-of-state tuition at Indiana is a way to flaunt your family money over sending your average stats kid to Michigan State.

Tier 1: Notre Dame, Northwestern, Duke, USC, Ivies
Tier 2: Michigan, Kalamazoo, Hillsdale, Albion
Tier 3: Indiana, Hope, Miami-OH, Dayton, Loyola-Chicago
Tier 4: Michigan State, U of Detroit-Mercy
Tier 5: the rest, as all the rest are basically open admit

Yeah this is totally wrong and weird

-- Michigan native

+1

-- another Michigander

You can split hairs, but the list is pretty accurate -- especially to UMC, private and Catholic school families. But I can see how it may offend myopic public school lifers who largely only entertain tailgate states.

Eh, pretty much every Michigander on this thread said the list is strange and inaccurate.

+1 I am a graduate of a Catholic high school in the Detroit area and do not think it is accurate at all. The post on the top of page 6 (long, detailed) is pretty spot on, IMO.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To in-state private school families, it generally goes like this below. Many families with high stat kids choose private tier 2s over huge Michigan for undergrad studies. Paying out-of-state tuition at Indiana is a way to flaunt your family money over sending your average stats kid to Michigan State.

Tier 1: Notre Dame, Northwestern, Duke, USC, Ivies
Tier 2: Michigan, Kalamazoo, Hillsdale, Albion
Tier 3: Indiana, Hope, Miami-OH, Dayton, Loyola-Chicago
Tier 4: Michigan State, U of Detroit-Mercy
Tier 5: the rest, as all the rest are basically open admit

Yeah this is totally wrong and weird

-- Michigan native

+1

-- another Michigander

You can split hairs, but the list is pretty accurate -- especially to UMC, private and Catholic school families. But I can see how it may offend myopic public school lifers who largely only entertain tailgate states.

Lol. Go look at the college matriculation at Country Day or Cranbrook. Not too many kids heading to Hillsdale or Albion or Detroit Mercy LMAO

Are you saying LACs with a freshman class size of <500 are less prominent than UM and MSU, which have a class size of 7,000 and 10,000 respectively? No way! Add in Detroit Catholic Central, U of D Jesuit and Notre Dame Prep college matriculation lists and see how it shakes out.

University of Michigan is terrific for engineering and MSU is terrific for binge drinking halfwits. If your child plans to study anything else and don't want them to become an alcoholic or drug addict and don't believe rah-rah sports obsession is the focal point of higher ed, you send them to out-of-state private or an in-state LAC.