Question for Michigan residents - how do in-state people view the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor

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Anonymous wrote:I grew up in Southwest Michigan and can tell you that Hillsdale is obviously highly ideological and a turn off to a vast majority of people. I suspect that most graduates stay in the area, as certain parts of Southern and Western Michigan are quite conservative.

Of course, U of M is considered #1 in the state. But these types of questions don't mean much, as picking a college is obviously a very individual thing. And several years out of college, nobody really cares where you went to school anyway.

Or they go on to work at Family Research Council or The Heritage Foundation or the Cato Institute.

You'd be surprised how many Hillsdale graduates go on to top law schools, and then clerk for federal circuit court judges or for Supreme Court justices.

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Anonymous wrote:Funny, re Hillsdale. This is a targeted ad that just showed up in my Facebook newsfeed: https://lp.hillsdale.edu/2019-national-survey-on-socialism/

This is just plain scary coming from an institution of higher education — seems more like a Breitbart publication. It’s like the people who created this and approved this has never taken an introductory course on research methodology. Leading questions. Non-exhaustive response options. Biased framing. Yikes! If this the type of content your institution of “sound education” produces, I can take nothing else you say seriously. (To 18:44).

Holy shit! I teach AP Government to 10th and 11th graders and am always looking for examples of garbage surveys when we get to the topics on political surveying and public opinion. Bookmarking this one for sure.

Wow. Mentioning Hillsdale scares the wits out of the leftists. It's like displaying a cross to Dracula! Hillsdale must be doing something right. I guess that's why they're prospering, while so many other formerly elite schools are foundering.

Wait, are you defending this survey as proper research methodology?

The survey is on socialism. Not many ways to ask questions about socialism that casts socialism in a positive or even neutral light. You ought to know that. Unless you carry water for socialism.

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Anonymous wrote:To in-state private school families, it generally goes like this below. Many families with high stat kids choose private tier 2s over huge Michigan for undergrad studies. Paying out-of-state tuition at Indiana is a way to flaunt your family money over sending your average stats kid to Michigan State.

Tier 1: Notre Dame, Northwestern, Duke, USC, Ivies
Tier 2: Michigan, Kalamazoo, Hillsdale, Albion
Tier 3: Indiana, Hope, Miami-OH, Dayton, Loyola-Chicago
Tier 4: Michigan State, U of Detroit-Mercy
Tier 5: the rest, as all the rest are basically open admit

An interesting take. As to your "Tier 1" here are my comments: Notre Dame -- perhaps, if you're Catholic (and not terribly orthodox); Northwestern -- if you want to attend the second-best school in Chicago; Duke -- if you like partying, basketball, and identity politics; USC -- who cares?; Ivies -- if you belong to one of the correct demographic groups.

Northwestern has been the smart rich kid magnet of the entire Middle West for at least 50 years. Very few in Michigan care about U of Chicago, it's a niche school. To have a mere chance of getting into Notre Dame you need to be val or sal of your class at your Catholic high school. To get into U of Michigan you just need to be within the top 5% to 10% of your class. Many kids that qualify for U of Michigan have no appetite to become 1 of 7,000 freshman, half of which are obnoxious trash from Jersey and Long Island, into cocaine and blacking out before sport ball competitions. MSU is backwater, over 50,000 undergrads, admits any warm body since they ran into financial trouble from lawsuits.

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Anonymous wrote:I grew up in Southwest Michigan and can tell you that Hillsdale is obviously highly ideological and a turn off to a vast majority of people. I suspect that most graduates stay in the area, as certain parts of Southern and Western Michigan are quite conservative.

Of course, U of M is considered #1 in the state. But these types of questions don't mean much, as picking a college is obviously a very individual thing. And several years out of college, nobody really cares where you went to school anyway.

Or they go on to work at Family Research Council or The Heritage Foundation or the Cato Institute.

You'd be surprised how many Hillsdale graduates go on to top law schools, and then clerk for federal circuit court judges or for Supreme Court justices.

Lost cause trying to enlighten public college alums. Nothing you say will convince them anything was better than their athlete-worshiping quads, 700 student lecture halls, police and ivory tower bureaucrats covering up "student" athlete sexual assaults, 10 to 15% of their student body being Chinese nationals, and ESL foreign GAs teaching most of the classes.

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Anonymous wrote:I grew up in Southwest Michigan and can tell you that Hillsdale is obviously highly ideological and a turn off to a vast majority of people. I suspect that most graduates stay in the area, as certain parts of Southern and Western Michigan are quite conservative.

Of course, U of M is considered #1 in the state. But these types of questions don't mean much, as picking a college is obviously a very individual thing. And several years out of college, nobody really cares where you went to school anyway.

Or they go on to work at Family Research Council or The Heritage Foundation or the Cato Institute.

You'd be surprised how many Hillsdale graduates go on to top law schools, and then clerk for federal circuit court judges or for Supreme Court justices.

Lost cause trying to enlighten public college alums. Nothing you say will convince them anything was better than their athlete-worshiping quads, 700 student lecture halls, police and ivory tower bureaucrats covering up "student" athlete sexual assaults, 10 to 15% of their student body being Chinese nationals, and ESL foreign GAs teaching most of the classes.

I am a private college alum with two children in private college, hate sports, and would never, ever consider Hillsdale.

Also, what’s wrong with international students?

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Whats wrong with a state-funded public U reserving 10-15% of their seats -- largely the $$$$ STEM dept -- for Chinese nationals and other internationals? lol

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Anonymous wrote:If you want to attend an LAC in Michigan, Hillsdale is the best -- both in terms of its financials and its academics.

But you have to be willing to take a lot of required courses, and the coursework is very demanding. Grading is tough. A straight A student is a rarity.

Some kids won't want to take the science courses in Hillsdale's core, but biology, chemistry, and physics are all required.

And some kids will think that some of the courses are out of fashion -- e.g., the required survey courses in Western civilization, and American history. (Few colleges in America offer these courses anymore -- even as electives.)

Plus there are courses in political economy, and logic. And a two-semester sequence in the great works of Western literature.

Also the required political theory course on the U.S. Constitution.



It's not for everyone. But the school is prospering, and for the 1500 who embrace the challenge of a true liberal arts education, it's a life-altering, character-building and spiritually-uplifting experience.

Hillsdale students are studious and work hard, but it's got a very narrow conservative bent and produces a whole lot of econ majors who think in one narrow way. It's not a bad school, and I think a conservative school is important for those seeking that environment. But that's its main claim--which has attracted it a bit more money and reputation than the quality of its faculty. Kalamazoo is stronger among MI LAC schools in my opinion--the highest PhD producers in the natural sciences in the state, and in the top 50 in the country. All students demonstrate must demonstrate competency in a foreign language and nearly all study abroad and do internships. But both Hillsdale and Kalamazoo are above the others listed in terms of strong comprehensive education. If they were two states eastward they would be far more popular and highly ranked than they currently are nationally.

I believe both Hillsdale and Kalamazoo are profiled in the book "Colleges that Change Lives."

One interesting aspect to the supposed "conservative bent" of Hillsdale College: when it was founded in the 1840s it was considered a radical place. Now it's considered a conservative place. But, as a factual matter, it's been doing the same thing all along.

I hope not. That would be really problematic to be doing the same education since the 1840s! Those students really aren't ready for the world then.

Hillsdale was founded in 1844 by abolitionists. It admitted women and blacks from the beginning. Frederick Douglass was a friend of Hillsdale College, and spoke on campus twice.

What gives Hillsdale its conservative reputation, today, is that it remains devoted to the natural law principles of the Declaration of Independence and to the features of Constitutional, limited government: representation, separation of powers, and federalism.

Most other colleges subscribe to the doctrine of progressivism, which dismisses objective truth in favor of relativism, and rejects the bedrock principle of the American republic: self-government.

For over 100 years the progressives have sought to dismantle Constitutional, representative government, and replace it with a system of rule by unelected bureaucrats, i.e. the administrative state.

The progressives, unfortunately, have made a lot of headway. But Hillsdale, unlike most colleges, defends Constitutional government -- and the leftists are outraged and scandalized that any institution of higher learning would stand up, proudly and unapologetically, for our nation's founding principles.

Hillsdale doesn't worry about being au courant or fashionable. It knows its mission. And its motto proclaims its mission: Pursuing Truth and Defending Liberty since 1844.

For a traditional liberal arts education, and a deep understanding of our American heritage. there's no better school than Hillsdale -- in Michigan or anywhere else in the USA.

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What % of Hillsdale is out of state students? I assume it's got more OOS kids than any undergrad in Michigan, outside of Ann Arbor.

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Anonymous wrote:I grew up in Southwest Michigan and can tell you that Hillsdale is obviously highly ideological and a turn off to a vast majority of people. I suspect that most graduates stay in the area, as certain parts of Southern and Western Michigan are quite conservative.

Of course, U of M is considered #1 in the state. But these types of questions don't mean much, as picking a college is obviously a very individual thing. And several years out of college, nobody really cares where you went to school anyway.

Or they go on to work at Family Research Council or The Heritage Foundation or the Cato Institute.

You'd be surprised how many Hillsdale graduates go on to top law schools, and then clerk for federal circuit court judges or for Supreme Court justices.

Lost cause trying to enlighten public college alums. Nothing you say will convince them anything was better than their athlete-worshiping quads, 700 student lecture halls, police and ivory tower bureaucrats covering up "student" athlete sexual assaults, 10 to 15% of their student body being Chinese nationals, and ESL foreign GAs teaching most of the classes.

I am a private college alum with two children in private college, hate sports, and would never, ever consider Hillsdale.

Also, what’s wrong with international students?

US colleges love enrolling the children of Chinese oligarchs and other Chinese nationals, because they pay full tuition.

But some of them are spies for the Chinese communist regime. And that should be of concern to all Americans.

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Anonymous wrote:What % of Hillsdale is out of state students? I assume it's got more OOS kids than any undergrad in Michigan, outside of Ann Arbor.

I believe two-thirds come from OOS (which, if I'm not mistaken would be a higher percentage than that at UM-Ann Arbor).

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^ plus they dominate STEM departments, mainly engineering, drowning out domestic students from those scarce seats. and they rise up to grad level, not only drowning out domestic students in grad school, but then they're TEACHING undergrads.

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Anonymous wrote:What % of Hillsdale is out of state students? I assume it's got more OOS kids than any undergrad in Michigan, outside of Ann Arbor.

I believe two-thirds come from OOS (which, if I'm not mistaken would be a higher percentage than that at UM-Ann Arbor).

Ann Arbor is 50% oos

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Anonymous wrote:To in-state private school families, it generally goes like this below. Many families with high stat kids choose private tier 2s over huge Michigan for undergrad studies. Paying out-of-state tuition at Indiana is a way to flaunt your family money over sending your average stats kid to Michigan State.

Tier 1: Notre Dame, Northwestern, Duke, USC, Ivies
Tier 2: Michigan, Kalamazoo, Hillsdale, Albion
Tier 3: Indiana, Hope, Miami-OH, Dayton, Loyola-Chicago
Tier 4: Michigan State, U of Detroit-Mercy
Tier 5: the rest, as all the rest are basically open admit

Yeah this is totally wrong and weird

-- Michigan native

+1

-- another Michigander

You can split hairs, but the list is pretty accurate -- especially to UMC, private and Catholic school families. But I can see how it may offend myopic public school lifers who largely only entertain tailgate states.

Lol. Go look at the college matriculation at Country Day or Cranbrook. Not too many kids heading to Hillsdale or Albion or Detroit Mercy LMAO

Are you saying LACs with a freshman class size of <500 are less prominent than UM and MSU, which have a class size of 7,000 and 10,000 respectively? No way! Add in Detroit Catholic Central, U of D Jesuit and Notre Dame Prep college matriculation lists and see how it shakes out.

University of Michigan is terrific for engineering and MSU is terrific for binge drinking halfwits. If your child plans to study anything else and don't want them to become an alcoholic or drug addict and don't believe rah-rah sports obsession is the focal point of higher ed, you send them to out-of-state private or an in-state LAC.

U of D Jesuit is the only of those I could find that actually lists their matriculation by the numbers. They sent 16 students to MSU and 13 to Umich. 1 to Albion. 0 to Hillsdale. The majority of their graduating class matriculates to public universities.

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Anonymous wrote:What % of Hillsdale is out of state students? I assume it's got more OOS kids than any undergrad in Michigan, outside of Ann Arbor.

I believe two-thirds come from OOS (which, if I'm not mistaken would be a higher percentage than that at UM-Ann Arbor).

Ann Arbor is 50% oos

Kind of a shame that UM-Ann Arbor doesn't focus more on educating citizens of Michigan. It is, after all, a taxpayer- supported university.

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I wasn't technically what a prior poster called "New Jersey or Long Island trash," but I had many friends from those places. There were several at Hillel. I definitely preferred them to the Father Coughlin types, who were a tiny but noticeable minority. (Michigan is VERY diverse.) I have a feeling some of the latter group have found their way to this board.