Georgetown v. Notre Dame

[Anonymous]

I am ND ‘99, attended mass at least twice weekly, and it was not at all typical for professors to attend with students. PP hallucinating, perhaps? (I know the real answer to this.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am ND ‘99, attended mass at least twice weekly, and it was not at all typical for professors to attend with students. PP hallucinating, perhaps? (I know the real answer to this.)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am ND ‘99, attended mass at least twice weekly, and it was not at all typical for professors to attend with students. PP hallucinating, perhaps? (I know the real answer to this.)

Like I said, I have no way of verifying if what other professors told me on a job interview was true. It IS what they told me and it was the most uncomfortable 2 days of my life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am ND ‘99, attended mass at least twice weekly, and it was not at all typical for professors to attend with students. PP hallucinating, perhaps? (I know the real answer to this.)

Like I said, I have no way of verifying if what other professors told me on a job interview was true. It IS what they told me and it was the most uncomfortable 2 days of my life.

Maybe they felt threatened by you and told you those things so you would decline the offer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am ND ‘99, attended mass at least twice weekly, and it was not at all typical for professors to attend with students. PP hallucinating, perhaps? (I know the real answer to this.)

Like I said, I have no way of verifying if what other professors told me on a job interview was true. It IS what they told me and it was the most uncomfortable 2 days of my life.

Maybe they felt threatened by you and told you those things so you would decline the offer.[/quote

They're not the most productive department research-rise. I was coming from a top institution. But I had very little to my name so I doubt they were too threatened. I have no explanation for why it went down like that. We had a one hour conversation over dinner about LENT. For a research faculty position where normally people would talk about, you know, research. Anyway, I'm glad everyone's kids seem to be enjoying it so more power to them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am ND ‘99, attended mass at least twice weekly, and it was not at all typical for professors to attend with students. PP hallucinating, perhaps? (I know the real answer to this.)

Like I said, I have no way of verifying if what other professors told me on a job interview was true. It IS what they told me and it was the most uncomfortable 2 days of my life.

Maybe they felt threatened by you and told you those things so you would decline the offer.[/quote

They're not the most productive department research-rise. I was coming from a top institution. But I had very little to my name so I doubt they were too threatened. I have no explanation for why it went down like that. We had a one hour conversation over dinner about LENT. For a research faculty position where normally people would talk about, you know, research. Anyway, I'm glad everyone's kids seem to be enjoying it so more power to them.

Out of curiosity, what department was this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am ND ‘99, attended mass at least twice weekly, and it was not at all typical for professors to attend with students. PP hallucinating, perhaps? (I know the real answer to this.)

Like I said, I have no way of verifying if what other professors told me on a job interview was true. It IS what they told me and it was the most uncomfortable 2 days of my life.

Which department?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am ND ‘99, attended mass at least twice weekly, and it was not at all typical for professors to attend with students. PP hallucinating, perhaps? (I know the real answer to this.)

Like I said, I have no way of verifying if what other professors told me on a job interview was true. It IS what they told me and it was the most uncomfortable 2 days of my life.

Maybe they felt threatened by you and told you those things so you would decline the offer.[/quote

They're not the most productive department research-rise. I was coming from a top institution. But I had very little to my name so I doubt they were too threatened. I have no explanation for why it went down like that. We had a one hour conversation over dinner about LENT. For a research faculty position where normally people would talk about, you know, research. Anyway, I'm glad everyone's kids seem to be enjoying it so more power to them.

This poster sounds incredibly bitter. If the story she is telling is true -- which of course doesn't make what she claims to have been told to be facts -- I have a hunch she didn't get the job. And I suspect it wasn't because she wasn't Catholic, but because she had an attitude. You know, the kind of attitude that's evident when someone feels the constant need to remind others over and over again that she attended a "top institution."

[Anonymous]

Are you Catholic?
Where does the potential student want to live after college?

Used to live in Chicago and knew tons of Notre Dame grads. Smart, well-prepared, hard-working overall. Most were Catholic and it was an important part of who they were. Good connections with jobs in Chicago across many majors. Didn't meet that many Georgetown grads.

Live in DC now, and know a number of Georgetown grads, most of whom are not Catholic, but this is not a scientific sample; also smart, well-prepared, hard-working. Good connections with jobs in DC. Haven't met as many Notre Dame grads here.

I do think potential internships, job connections, and alumni networks in the area are important considerations. I don't have anything other than anecdotal information, but the schools would if that is important to you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are you Catholic?
Where does the potential student want to live after college?

Used to live in Chicago and knew tons of Notre Dame grads. Smart, well-prepared, hard-working overall. Most were Catholic and it was an important part of who they were. Good connections with jobs in Chicago across many majors. Didn't meet that many Georgetown grads.

Live in DC now, and know a number of Georgetown grads, most of whom are not Catholic, but this is not a scientific sample; also smart, well-prepared, hard-working. Good connections with jobs in DC. Haven't met as many Notre Dame grads here.

I do think potential internships, job connections, and alumni networks in the area are important considerations. I don't have anything other than anecdotal information, but the schools would if that is important to you.

None of this means that either degree isn't portable. Why wouldn't you meet more GT grads than ND grads in WASHINGTON, DC???

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am ND ‘99, attended mass at least twice weekly, and it was not at all typical for professors to attend with students. PP hallucinating, perhaps? (I know the real answer to this.)

Like I said, I have no way of verifying if what other professors told me on a job interview was true. It IS what they told me and it was the most uncomfortable 2 days of my life.

Maybe they felt threatened by you and told you those things so you would decline the offer.[/quote

They're not the most productive department research-rise. I was coming from a top institution. But I had very little to my name so I doubt they were too threatened. I have no explanation for why it went down like that. We had a one hour conversation over dinner about LENT. For a research faculty position where normally people would talk about, you know, research. Anyway, I'm glad everyone's kids seem to be enjoying it so more power to them.

This poster sounds incredibly bitter. If the story she is telling is true -- which of course doesn't make what she claims to have been told to be facts -- I have a hunch she didn't get the job. And I suspect it wasn't because she wasn't Catholic, but because she had an attitude. You know, the kind of attitude that's evident when someone feels the constant need to remind others over and over again that she attended a "top institution."

Actually I did get the job offer. But I ended up at Wash U instead. I am slightly bitter because I was treated like a second class citizen solely because I was not Catholic. Can't stand religious discrimination

[Anonymous]

I’m not sure where you got the idea that Notre Dame — or any institution of faith — cannot ask you about your religion or consider it when making hiring decisions. Notre Dame is a Catholic institution and as such, its mission depends on the presence of Catholic intellectuals who will augment the mission and tradition of the university. It is perfectly legal and not religious discrimination in any sense of the phrase.

Perhaps your top school was not so too after all?

[Anonymous]

Top^

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure where you got the idea that Notre Dame — or any institution of faith — cannot ask you about your religion or consider it when making hiring decisions. Notre Dame is a Catholic institution and as such, its mission depends on the presence of Catholic intellectuals who will augment the mission and tradition of the university. It is perfectly legal and not religious discrimination in any sense of the phrase.

Perhaps your top school was not so too after all?

LOL, that's exactly what I thought when I read this. USNWR ranking: ND=15, WashU=19. He said in an earlier post he ended up going to a "better institution." Now that we know that better institution is Wash U, well, I guess we can assume all his other rantings were also part of his vivid imagination.

[Anonymous]

One shouldn't interview for a professor job at Notre Dame as an anti-Catholic.