Georgetown v. Notre Dame

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Anonymous wrote:I cant find the different test scores split out but the acceptance rates are quite different if that is an indicator. GT nursing is a good nursing program but the acceptance rate is 40%. Does ND have a nursing school?

If you aren't sure whether ND has a nursing school, then you don't even know the basics about ND and are in no position to advise anyone on how it compares to GT.

And, no, it doesn't.

I did not advise. I asked a question. Who has attended both of these universities? Not that big a group. And I would not even recommend GT as any kind of blanket fit. It is a unique process very poorly served by a snarky anonymous chat forum in any case. Visit both the schools if you are trying to decide between them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I cant find the different test scores split out but the acceptance rates are quite different if that is an indicator. GT nursing is a good nursing program but the acceptance rate is 40%. Does ND have a nursing school?

If you aren't sure whether ND has a nursing school, then you don't even know the basics about ND and are in no position to advise anyone on how it compares to GT.

And, no, it doesn't.

I did not advise. I asked a question. Who has attended both of these universities? Not that big a group. And I would not even recommend GT as any kind of blanket fit. It is a unique process very poorly served by a snarky anonymous chat forum in any case. Visit both the schools if you are trying to decide between them.

You don't have to have attended both to have a basic knowledge of both. I didn't attend GT, but I know they have a great school of foreign service, a good business school, solid arts & letters and a nursing program. I know that ND has an engineering school and GT doesn't. I know GT's endowment is 1/10 of Notre Dame's. And I know that GT and ND are both highly competitive in admissions and that the average test score at both schools are very high and that the difference between them is meaningless.

[Anonymous]

How many of you have actually been to Indiana? It's horrible!

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Anonymous wrote:How many of you have actually been to Indiana? It's horrible!

You call this horrible?

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Anonymous wrote:Which would you choose, and why?

Are females on equal footing at Catholic universities? It is a legitimate discussion. And females like myself that have attended elite Catholic universities are entitled to have a viewpoint and have legitimate viewpoints even if there are attempts made to suppress them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Which would you choose, and why?

Are females on equal footing at Catholic universities? It is a legitimate discussion. And females like myself that have attended elite Catholic universities are entitled to have a viewpoint and have legitimate viewpoints even if there are attempts made to suppress them.

Oh FFS. What attempts have been made to suppress the viewpoints of females at Catholic colleges?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Which would you choose, and why?

Are females on equal footing at Catholic universities? It is a legitimate discussion. And females like myself that have attended elite Catholic universities are entitled to have a viewpoint and have legitimate viewpoints even if there are attempts made to suppress them.

Oh FFS. What attempts have been made to suppress the viewpoints of females at Catholic colleges?

Have you attended one?

There are favored sons (not daughters) at these institutions. And some males that attended elite Catholic prep schools are either conditioned to disrespect females due to their 2nd class status in the church or are just jackasses on their own. You will absolutely come across this attitude at places like ND and GT and other elite colleges as well. Maybe great places for your sons but you may want think twice before you send your daughters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Which would you choose, and why?

Are females on equal footing at Catholic universities? It is a legitimate discussion. And females like myself that have attended elite Catholic universities are entitled to have a viewpoint and have legitimate viewpoints even if there are attempts made to suppress them.

Oh FFS. What attempts have been made to suppress the viewpoints of females at Catholic colleges?

Have you attended one?

There are favored sons (not daughters) at these institutions. And some males that attended elite Catholic prep schools are either conditioned to disrespect females due to their 2nd class status in the church or are just jackasses on their own. You will absolutely come across this attitude at places like ND and GT and other elite colleges as well. Maybe great places for your sons but you may want think twice before you send your daughters.

I am an extremely proud graduate of a Catholic university. I received an empowering and transformative education inside and outside of the classroom and would be thrilled if either of my daughters elected to attend.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Which would you choose, and why?

Are females on equal footing at Catholic universities? It is a legitimate discussion. And females like myself that have attended elite Catholic universities are entitled to have a viewpoint and have legitimate viewpoints even if there are attempts made to suppress them.

Oh FFS. What attempts have been made to suppress the viewpoints of females at Catholic colleges?

Have you attended one?

There are favored sons (not daughters) at these institutions. And some males that attended elite Catholic prep schools are either conditioned to disrespect females due to their 2nd class status in the church or are just jackasses on their own. You will absolutely come across this attitude at places like ND and GT and other elite colleges as well. Maybe great places for your sons but you may want think twice before you send your daughters.

I am an extremely proud graduate of a Catholic university. I received an empowering and transformative education inside and outside of the classroom and would be thrilled if either of my daughters elected to attend.

Last year, Notre Dame's valedictorian, salutatorian, and commencement speaker were all women.

[Anonymous]

I can't speak for Georgetown but Notre Dame was insane from multiple angles. I interview for a tenure-track professor job there (ended up going to a better institution). I'm assuming you're Catholic based on the GT vs. ND consideration. On the chance that you're not hardcore Catholic, I'd beware of ND. They asked me many illegal interview questions trying to ascertain my religion. One chinese professor explicitly told me not to come there because they make non-catholic faculty and staff feel like aliens. Multiple faculty told me that if you don't attend mass with the students, you will be ostracized on campus - and these were the Catholic faculty that DID attend mass telling me this. I have no way of knowing if this is true, but it's from the mouths of professors. I also encountered anti-abortion and anti-birth control publications just laying around in the student union and the professor taking me to lunch said "all the students believe the same thing here so there's no arguments." Again, no way to verify if it's true, but that's what I saw and heard.

Independent of Catholicism, the area is absolute trash. I went on a realty tour and they showed me "all the best restaurants" and literally 80% of them were casual pizza restaurants. The biggest business was like an RV manufacturing plant. They also have mega gang and crime problems there, apparently. It struck me as being much colder than DC and there was no charm to the area at all. The campus, however, was quite nice.

Anyway, not sure if this is at all helpful. I felt like I was in hell during the visit but perhaps a very Catholic undergraduate might enjoy it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I can't speak for Georgetown but Notre Dame was insane from multiple angles. I interview for a tenure-track professor job there (ended up going to a better institution). I'm assuming you're Catholic based on the GT vs. ND consideration. On the chance that you're not hardcore Catholic, I'd beware of ND. They asked me many illegal interview questions trying to ascertain my religion. One chinese professor explicitly told me not to come there because they make non-catholic faculty and staff feel like aliens. Multiple faculty told me that if you don't attend mass with the students, you will be ostracized on campus - and these were the Catholic faculty that DID attend mass telling me this. I have no way of knowing if this is true, but it's from the mouths of professors. I also encountered anti-abortion and anti-birth control publications just laying around in the student union and the professor taking me to lunch said "all the students believe the same thing here so there's no arguments." Again, no way to verify if it's true, but that's what I saw and heard.

Independent of Catholicism, the area is absolute trash. I went on a realty tour and they showed me "all the best restaurants" and literally 80% of them were casual pizza restaurants. The biggest business was like an RV manufacturing plant. They also have mega gang and crime problems there, apparently. It struck me as being much colder than DC and there was no charm to the area at all. The campus, however, was quite nice.

Anyway, not sure if this is at all helpful. I felt like I was in hell during the visit but perhaps a very Catholic undergraduate might enjoy it.

It is entirely legal for a college to ask you your religion during an interview, whether directly or indirectly. I’m not sure what gave you the impression it is not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I can't speak for Georgetown but Notre Dame was insane from multiple angles. I interview for a tenure-track professor job there (ended up going to a better institution). I'm assuming you're Catholic based on the GT vs. ND consideration. On the chance that you're not hardcore Catholic, I'd beware of ND. They asked me many illegal interview questions trying to ascertain my religion. One chinese professor explicitly told me not to come there because they make non-catholic faculty and staff feel like aliens. Multiple faculty told me that if you don't attend mass with the students, you will be ostracized on campus - and these were the Catholic faculty that DID attend mass telling me this. I have no way of knowing if this is true, but it's from the mouths of professors. I also encountered anti-abortion and anti-birth control publications just laying around in the student union and the professor taking me to lunch said "all the students believe the same thing here so there's no arguments." Again, no way to verify if it's true, but that's what I saw and heard.

Independent of Catholicism, the area is absolute trash. I went on a realty tour and they showed me "all the best restaurants" and literally 80% of them were casual pizza restaurants. The biggest business was like an RV manufacturing plant. They also have mega gang and crime problems there, apparently. It struck me as being much colder than DC and there was no charm to the area at all. The campus, however, was quite nice.

Anyway, not sure if this is at all helpful. I felt like I was in hell during the visit but perhaps a very Catholic undergraduate might enjoy it.

I can tell you are making this up because many students do not even go to mass, and the ones that do, generally go to their dorm mass, which is usually in the evenings, well after classes are over and professors are off campus. Nice try though. Would love to hear others chime in on your other suspect claims...I am not on campus, so I can't speak to that. But I do know my son, who is a student there, has been exposed to many ideas and points of view...he leans more left of center and feels totally comfortable there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't speak for Georgetown but Notre Dame was insane from multiple angles. I interview for a tenure-track professor job there (ended up going to a better institution). I'm assuming you're Catholic based on the GT vs. ND consideration. On the chance that you're not hardcore Catholic, I'd beware of ND. They asked me many illegal interview questions trying to ascertain my religion. One chinese professor explicitly told me not to come there because they make non-catholic faculty and staff feel like aliens. Multiple faculty told me that if you don't attend mass with the students, you will be ostracized on campus - and these were the Catholic faculty that DID attend mass telling me this. I have no way of knowing if this is true, but it's from the mouths of professors. I also encountered anti-abortion and anti-birth control publications just laying around in the student union and the professor taking me to lunch said "all the students believe the same thing here so there's no arguments." Again, no way to verify if it's true, but that's what I saw and heard.

Independent of Catholicism, the area is absolute trash. I went on a realty tour and they showed me "all the best restaurants" and literally 80% of them were casual pizza restaurants. The biggest business was like an RV manufacturing plant. They also have mega gang and crime problems there, apparently. It struck me as being much colder than DC and there was no charm to the area at all. The campus, however, was quite nice.

Anyway, not sure if this is at all helpful. I felt like I was in hell during the visit but perhaps a very Catholic undergraduate might enjoy it.

I can tell you are making this up because many students do not even go to mass, and the ones that do, generally go to their dorm mass, which is usually in the evenings, well after classes are over and professors are off campus. Nice try though. Would love to hear others chime in on your other suspect claims...I am not on campus, so I can't speak to that. But I do know my son, who is a student there, has been exposed to many ideas and points of view...he leans more left of center and feels totally comfortable there.

Okay. Well, I'm not making it up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Which would you choose, and why?

Are females on equal footing at Catholic universities? It is a legitimate discussion. And females like myself that have attended elite Catholic universities are entitled to have a viewpoint and have legitimate viewpoints even if there are attempts made to suppress them.

Oh FFS. What attempts have been made to suppress the viewpoints of females at Catholic colleges?

Have you attended one?

There are favored sons (not daughters) at these institutions. And some males that attended elite Catholic prep schools are either conditioned to disrespect females due to their 2nd class status in the church or are just jackasses on their own. You will absolutely come across this attitude at places like ND and GT and other elite colleges as well. Maybe great places for your sons but you may want think twice before you send your daughters.

I am an extremely proud graduate of a Catholic university. I received an empowering and transformative education inside and outside of the classroom and would be thrilled if either of my daughters elected to attend.

Get the education, it is excellent, just be sure to push back hard on the women are not as worthy thing if you send daughters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't speak for Georgetown but Notre Dame was insane from multiple angles. I interview for a tenure-track professor job there (ended up going to a better institution). I'm assuming you're Catholic based on the GT vs. ND consideration. On the chance that you're not hardcore Catholic, I'd beware of ND. They asked me many illegal interview questions trying to ascertain my religion. One chinese professor explicitly told me not to come there because they make non-catholic faculty and staff feel like aliens. Multiple faculty told me that if you don't attend mass with the students, you will be ostracized on campus - and these were the Catholic faculty that DID attend mass telling me this. I have no way of knowing if this is true, but it's from the mouths of professors. I also encountered anti-abortion and anti-birth control publications just laying around in the student union and the professor taking me to lunch said "all the students believe the same thing here so there's no arguments." Again, no way to verify if it's true, but that's what I saw and heard.

Independent of Catholicism, the area is absolute trash. I went on a realty tour and they showed me "all the best restaurants" and literally 80% of them were casual pizza restaurants. The biggest business was like an RV manufacturing plant. They also have mega gang and crime problems there, apparently. It struck me as being much colder than DC and there was no charm to the area at all. The campus, however, was quite nice.

Anyway, not sure if this is at all helpful. I felt like I was in hell during the visit but perhaps a very Catholic undergraduate might enjoy it.

I can tell you are making this up because many students do not even go to mass, and the ones that do, generally go to their dorm mass, which is usually in the evenings, well after classes are over and professors are off campus. Nice try though. Would love to hear others chime in on your other suspect claims...I am not on campus, so I can't speak to that. But I do know my son, who is a student there, has been exposed to many ideas and points of view...he leans more left of center and feels totally comfortable there.

Okay. Well, I'm not making it up.

About half of the faculty at Notre Dame is not Catholic. Half of the faculty is ostracized?