US soccer rumors of changing back age groups?

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^^ This was meant for the PP.

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I think there are some clubs that still do grade year rec eventhough their travel follows birth year.

None that I am aware of in this area.

but it's completely optional for the clubs on the rec level they just decided to also do it by birth year. It's easier for clubs to manage if they are all on the same age group system across different programs. Also less confusing for parents going from rec to travel.

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I think there are some clubs that still do grade year rec eventhough their travel follows birth year.

None that I am aware of in this area.

SYA does school grade on the rec side and birth year on the travel side.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope it does go through so this dumb ass ^^ that knows exactly what US soccer will and wont do can eat his dumb ass words. Shut the hell up and offer some real feedback and stop cutting people down with your stupid one line remarks.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d welcome the change back to align with the soccer season (August - May) which happens to be the school calendar year . I have a U11 player. She will be 10 throughout the entire u11 season. What’s the point of playing u11 when she’ll never be 11 on a u11 team? The four months (Aug-Sept) at U9 -U13 makes a huge difference as far as size, speed, and maturity.

You are dumb

It doesn’t affect my kids. But U11 means “under 11” which is different than 11. You are dumb if you think U11 means 11 when it means never older than 11.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope it does go through so this dumb ass ^^ that knows exactly what US soccer will and wont do can eat his dumb ass words. Shut the hell up and offer some real feedback and stop cutting people down with your stupid one line remarks.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d welcome the change back to align with the soccer season (August - May) which happens to be the school calendar year . I have a U11 player. She will be 10 throughout the entire u11 season. What’s the point of playing u11 when she’ll never be 11 on a u11 team? The four months (Aug-Sept) at U9 -U13 makes a huge difference as far as size, speed, and maturity.

You are dumb

It doesn’t affect my kids. But U11 means “under 11” which is different than 11. You are dumb if you think U11 means 11 when it means never older than 11.

My kid started U9 Fall season the month before he turned 9. It did not used to mean this BEFORE the change to birth year. It used to mean “9 and under”. Like pp, I have a U15 that just turned 14 2 weeks ago and will be playing U15 at 14 the entire Fall season.

The most negative aspect for us (besides having 1/2 the team play HS while he’s in 8th) is moving to the LATE practice times during MS when he has to be out the door by 6:50am. If it were still calendar year he would be getting home at 8:45pm instead of close to 10pm.

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@u16 at 14 years old fall season

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Anonymous wrote:I hope it does go through so this dumb ass ^^ that knows exactly what US soccer will and wont do can eat his dumb ass words. Shut the hell up and offer some real feedback and stop cutting people down with your stupid one line remarks.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d welcome the change back to align with the soccer season (August - May) which happens to be the school calendar year . I have a U11 player. She will be 10 throughout the entire u11 season. What’s the point of playing u11 when she’ll never be 11 on a u11 team? The four months (Aug-Sept) at U9 -U13 makes a huge difference as far as size, speed, and maturity.

You are dumb

It doesn’t affect my kids. But U11 means “under 11” which is different than 11. You are dumb if you think U11 means 11 when it means never older than 11.

My kid started U9 Fall season the month before he turned 9. It did not used to mean this BEFORE the change to birth year. It used to mean “9 and under”. Like pp, I have a U15 that just turned 14 2 weeks ago and will be playing U15 at 14 the entire Fall season.

The most negative aspect for us (besides having 1/2 the team play HS while he’s in 8th) is moving to the LATE practice times during MS when he has to be out the door by 6:50am. If it were still calendar year he would be getting home at 8:45pm instead of close to 10pm.

“U” has always meant “under” regardless of cutoff. If your birthdate within the age cutoff of “U12” meant that if your kid would be 13, even for just one day of the season, your kid is not eligible to play U12. It has always worked that way.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope it does go through so this dumb ass ^^ that knows exactly what US soccer will and wont do can eat his dumb ass words. Shut the hell up and offer some real feedback and stop cutting people down with your stupid one line remarks.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d welcome the change back to align with the soccer season (August - May) which happens to be the school calendar year . I have a U11 player. She will be 10 throughout the entire u11 season. What’s the point of playing u11 when she’ll never be 11 on a u11 team? The four months (Aug-Sept) at U9 -U13 makes a huge difference as far as size, speed, and maturity.

You are dumb

It doesn’t affect my kids. But U11 means “under 11” which is different than 11. You are dumb if you think U11 means 11 when it means never older than 11.

Got it. U11 means u11 and under. Let me rephrase or clarify the statement. Since my player is 10 throughout the 2019-2020 soccer season, I welcome the change so she plays u10 the entire season because she’s 10. If anytime during the soccer season a player turns 11, then the player should play U11. Meanwhile her teammates have already turned 11 and it’s a big advantage at the younger age groups.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope it does go through so this dumb ass ^^ that knows exactly what US soccer will and wont do can eat his dumb ass words. Shut the hell up and offer some real feedback and stop cutting people down with your stupid one line remarks.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d welcome the change back to align with the soccer season (August - May) which happens to be the school calendar year . I have a U11 player. She will be 10 throughout the entire u11 season. What’s the point of playing u11 when she’ll never be 11 on a u11 team? The four months (Aug-Sept) at U9 -U13 makes a huge difference as far as size, speed, and maturity.

You are dumb

It doesn’t affect my kids. But U11 means “under 11” which is different than 11. You are dumb if you think U11 means 11 when it means never older than 11.

My kid started U9 Fall season the month before he turned 9. It did not used to mean this BEFORE the change to birth year. It used to mean “9 and under”. Like pp, I have a U15 that just turned 14 2 weeks ago and will be playing U15 at 14 the entire Fall season.

The most negative aspect for us (besides having 1/2 the team play HS while he’s in 8th) is moving to the LATE practice times during MS when he has to be out the door by 6:50am. If it were still calendar year he would be getting home at 8:45pm instead of close to 10pm.

School start times vary across counties. Some county middle school start times are not until after 8:00am. The world doesn’t revolve around your situation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope it does go through so this dumb ass ^^ that knows exactly what US soccer will and wont do can eat his dumb ass words. Shut the hell up and offer some real feedback and stop cutting people down with your stupid one line remarks.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’d welcome the change back to align with the soccer season (August - May) which happens to be the school calendar year . I have a U11 player. She will be 10 throughout the entire u11 season. What’s the point of playing u11 when she’ll never be 11 on a u11 team? The four months (Aug-Sept) at U9 -U13 makes a huge difference as far as size, speed, and maturity.

You are dumb

It doesn’t affect my kids. But U11 means “under 11” which is different than 11. You are dumb if you think U11 means 11 when it means never older than 11.

Got it. U11 means u11 and under. Let me rephrase or clarify the statement. Since my player is 10 throughout the 2019-2020 soccer season, I welcome the change so she plays u10 the entire season because she’s 10. If anytime during the soccer season a player turns 11, then the player should play U11. Meanwhile her teammates have already turned 11 and it’s a big advantage at the younger age groups.

Everyone has to deal with a cutoff. June, July and August kids have to deal with the same “disadvantage” as your kid does now. Even though you’re not saying it directly at least your being honest with “it’s good for my kid and eff the August losers”.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I hope it does go through so this dumb ass ^^ that knows exactly what US soccer will and wont do can eat his dumb ass words. Shut the hell up and offer some real feedback and stop cutting people down with your stupid one line remarks.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’d welcome the change back to align with the soccer season (August - May) which happens to be the school calendar year . I have a U11 player. She will be 10 throughout the entire u11 season. What’s the point of playing u11 when she’ll never be 11 on a u11 team? The four months (Aug-Sept) at U9 -U13 makes a huge difference as far as size, speed, and maturity.

You are dumb

It doesn’t affect my kids. But U11 means “under 11” which is different than 11. You are dumb if you think U11 means 11 when it means never older than 11.

My kid started U9 Fall season the month before he turned 9. It did not used to mean this BEFORE the change to birth year. It used to mean “9 and under”. Like pp, I have a U15 that just turned 14 2 weeks ago and will be playing U15 at 14 the entire Fall season.

The most negative aspect for us (besides having 1/2 the team play HS while he’s in 8th) is moving to the LATE practice times during MS when he has to be out the door by 6:50am. If it were still calendar year he would be getting home at 8:45pm instead of close to 10pm.

School start times vary across counties. Some county middle school start times are not until after 8:00am. The world doesn’t revolve around your situation.

Hmmm...seeing 98% of the kids at our big county club are in the same county public system and the CLUB sets the practice times—-yes, it does. If the Clubs responded accordingly (which talking to friends in 3 other local counties—they have not) it would be okay.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope it does go through so this dumb ass ^^ that knows exactly what US soccer will and wont do can eat his dumb ass words. Shut the hell up and offer some real feedback and stop cutting people down with your stupid one line remarks.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’d welcome the change back to align with the soccer season (August - May) which happens to be the school calendar year . I have a U11 player. She will be 10 throughout the entire u11 season. What’s the point of playing u11 when she’ll never be 11 on a u11 team? The four months (Aug-Sept) at U9 -U13 makes a huge difference as far as size, speed, and maturity.

You are dumb

It doesn’t affect my kids. But U11 means “under 11” which is different than 11. You are dumb if you think U11 means 11 when it means never older than 11.

My kid started U9 Fall season the month before he turned 9. It did not used to mean this BEFORE the change to birth year. It used to mean “9 and under”. Like pp, I have a U15 that just turned 14 2 weeks ago and will be playing U15 at 14 the entire Fall season.

The most negative aspect for us (besides having 1/2 the team play HS while he’s in 8th) is moving to the LATE practice times during MS when he has to be out the door by 6:50am. If it were still calendar year he would be getting home at 8:45pm instead of close to 10pm.

School start times vary across counties. Some county middle school start times are not until after 8:00am. The world doesn’t revolve around your situation.

Hmmm...seeing 98% of the kids at our big county club are in the same county public system and the CLUB sets the practice times—-yes, it does. If the Clubs responded accordingly (which talking to friends in 3 other local counties—they have not) it would be okay.

What does practice time have to do with age cutoff? Your club can adjust to their most popular school start times. That is a club problem.

[Anonymous]

^ they do. They favor the older kids on the 9th/8th grade teams. The younger kids get doubly screwed. They never adjusted practice schedules. U15 times stayed the same, even when some players were now a year younger than they were in the past due to birth year change.

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Anonymous wrote:I really hope they do switch back to the age groupings aligning with school year. This current system of birth year is not pretty when they are in HS and have a fall birthday. My daughter's team is mostly a grade ahead, she will be playing with a completely different team her senior year as the rest of the team will have graduated.

Translation, my kid is a September born kid.

I love people who throw this out there as though parents of kids with fall birth dates are looking for an advantage. I'm not the PP, but my daughter is a late October birthday. She plays ECNL at a top club and has totally benefited from playing with "older" players the past few years. That being said, it sucks for these kids when they are in 8th grade and there is no fall club season (our state plays HS in the fall) because the majority of their teammates are playing HS. Moving to grad year lets every kid have a team to play on every year. What is the negative? And if your kid is good enough for YNT camp invites, changing to grad year won't hurt them--they are already known.

Aww poor 8th grade.

Blame HS soccer. The passion to play crappy HS soccer is your problem not the age cutoff.

Facts. HS soccer is dead weight for top players.

Tell that to some of the GDA YNT players that still play HS. Doesn't seem to be hurting their standing with US Soccer.... Leading scorer in U18/19 GDA last year played HS.

Wrong again. 95% of YNT players are coming from the DA. The U16 team is entirely DA. US Soccer will continue to phase out those types of players. Every year, they select less and less. This is no accident either.

You clearly did not read the comment... There are YNT players that are playing in GDA but are on waivers every season to allow them to play HS. They are not phasing those kids out. The leading scorer from last year in GDA (18/19) is from NEFC. She plays HS soccer in the fall and has every year. She was called in to the U20's in December. She's not being phased out.

What I didn't add is what I said after that. It starts with phasing out the ECNL. Then they go for the part timers. And nobody is talking about U20s. Legacy YNT players that came up through the ECNL are what was the top at the time. They will do it through the younger age groups.

Sorry, but you are completely wrong. The kids that are top players will continue to receive waivers. This does not apply to players 6-20 on a GDA roster. Those kids are not getting a look for YNT camps anyway. South Shore Select has a U16 player that plays up 2 years on the U18 YNT--some would argue that the club is in GDA because of this player. She plays HS and will continue to receive a waiver for as long as she wants. And US Soccer will continue to call her in. The top players can do whatever they want.

It doesn't apply to the top 1-2 players. On that I agree. It will apply to everyone else, which is the vast majority. If you are Tobin Heath outstanding, then you are in. But even in YNT players, those are few and very far between. In fact, most YNT players don't make it to U23 and beyond. I know several players, good players, who were going to YNT events, camps, going out to California, and then slowly found themselves phased out.

Your argument is weak. Anyone below top 5 on a GDA roster isn't getting a look for YNT call ups. And if the kids that are top 1-2 are the ones that are getting called in AND can still play in HS if they choose (and many do), then US Soccer is not taking the stand that you claim. So players 5-20 on the GDA roster follow the rules in order to preserve a potential YNT camp invite that will never happen anyway. Makes total sense.

I was talking top 1-2 of a YNT roster, not a GDA roster.

So what is your point? The top 1-2 on a YNT roster accounts for about .000001% of kids playing soccer. If your argument is that only those GDA kids are granted waivers and/or using the roster loophole to play HS, you'd be wrong.

The replaceable kids follow the rules, the top 3-4 at any GDA club can do whatever they want. US Soccer allows it, so GDA will never have every player give up HS.

My point was pretty obvious. The top 1-2 players of a YNT roster may be exceptional and US Soccer overlooks them playing high school and other non-save. But the general expectation is that YNT players play DA and don't play High school.

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Anonymous wrote:

I think there are some clubs that still do grade year rec eventhough their travel follows birth year.

None that I am aware of in this area.

SYA does school grade on the rec side and birth year on the travel side.

And Stoddert
And MSI
And Arlington
And Alexandria (some)
and many others.