No, I'm not saying the people referred are unqualified. Im saying their excuses for not referring my wife hasn't been about qualifications. They are saying she wasn't referred because Military spouses have preference. That isn't true. Not to mention my wife belongs to the same category as military spouses because she is the wife of a 100 percent disabled veteran. At the very least she should have been referred. The hiring manager at that point decides who they hire. You are right though, you can't tell with a FOIA if someone is a friend of someone else, but you can tell if their qualifications were less than your own. Its not totally unusable information. We are using the tools we have. |
Right, and they do not have to justify that decision to the applicants who were not hired. I am sure we are all on the same page -- just checking. OP, it does sounds like (from what you have said) that your wife should have been referred, at least by my understanding. I hope you and she find a satisfactory outcome. |
If she was referred and not hired then there really isn't much you can do. There are a different set or rules for the ones who do the hiring. I assume someone can inquire about her not being referred, we do not know yet, but we are examining all of our options, to include speaking with a JAG officer. Because so far it sounds like they didn't refer her because they are saying military spouse preference blocks anyone who isn't a government employee already from even being referred. I don't think that is true based on my research so far. Not to mention the fact that the spouse of a 100 percent disabled veteran is included in the same category. |
I think when I say hiring authority I was confusing it with the terminology used by HR which is hiring official, if that makes more sense. Are you saying that if HR makes a mistake they can correct the error by referring them after the fact? Thats one thing I want to know. I think more importantly I want to know if military spouse preference actually does block any other applicants from being referred, because everything I've read so far on OPM's site says the exact opposite. |
Ok, can you just explain why you think my wife shouldn't have been referred? It would help knowing what your line of thinking is. I am not talking about whether or not she gets the job or not if referred, I'm talking about getting referred to begin with. The person who actually does the hiring will never see her resume because someone in HR decided that while her resume was more than good enough to merit a referred status, she was blocked by a military spouse preference. The rules according to OPM says military spouse preference does not outweigh any other preference, it simply lets them be considered like everyone else. It gives them an opportunity to be referred to the people who actually do the hiring. I'm not arguing that. I'm glad they have an option to use to help get their resumes on a desk. What I'm arguing is where are the rules that say military spouse preference block other applicants? Once we get that far then we can argue the fact that my wife belongs in the same category as military spouses because of my 100 percent disabled status which is clearly laid out in the documents included in her application. My DD214, my VA letter, some SF form that I don't recall, etc etc. |
| Disregard that last post I guess. I thought you said she should NOT have been referred. |
| Yes, what I meant was the reverse -- I was agreeing with you. |
Yes I am saying that if HR made an error in processing the application it can be remedied. I don’t know enough about this job posting or hiring authority to say whether or not a military spouse can “block” anyone else. I have a feeling that what they’re doing is above board but they’re not explaining it well. I would recommend calmly and politely talking to a supervisor and asking them to explain what’s going on. |
But you won't really be able to tell that in most cases. Assuming the person is reasonably qualified, you will at most be able to tell that you think your (or your wife's) qualifications were better than that person. But it is most likely not going to be something that is obvious or that a hiring manager couldn't come up with a reasonable explanation for why she preferred that person. There could be any number of valid/legal reasons that they could have chosen the other person given that every posting gets many qualified people and they have to pick and choose among them. You may be using the tools you have available, but you are going to be able to put this information to exceedingly minimal use. |
I guess it won't matter much then, we did it anyway. |
Thats the plan. They keep closing the case though after their brief explanations that only bring more questions. These are her words that I have a problem with "For this vacancy announcement, multiple qualified Priority Program Preference for Military Spouses were referred to the hiring official. By law, qualified Priority Program Preference for Military Spouses block all new appointments to the Federal government, which this would have been a new appointment for you." My problem is finding the rules about this "law". Yet to find it. So again, even though my wife does fit into the same category as the military spouse preference applications, they are coming up with this law that they are saying prevents her from even being referred. |
I Google searched this for you in 2 seconds: https://www.dcpas.osd.mil/Content/Documents/PPP-Program%20S.pdf. What they’re doing is completely legal according to the rules of this program. I know you are mad someone successfully outgamed you and your wife using a preference technicality, but it is what it is. Imagine how it feels to be those of us who are long-term contractors and literally cannot get referred because of various preference and special hiring authorities. You know your wife *can* be referred, so suck it up, move on, and keep it trying. |
| OP, another possibility is that the people with existing or prior appointments block new appointments, within the Priority Program Preference for Military Spouses. That is, maybe those referred also already had employment records with the fed gov, and those (even within the PPPMS) without prior standing were knocked out of the pool. |
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PP's link needs to not have a period as part of it at the end.
https://www.dcpas.osd.mil/Content/Documents/PPP-Program%20S.pdf OP, it looks like the military spouse program still references "best qualified" candidates from the pool -- see below (from the above link). I wonder if they considered best qualified applicants to exclude new appointments, as they judge they need someone familiar with how certain government systems work from the inside. How they phrased it to you would have been an awkward interpretation, but that might be it.
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| I know she was referred for the position through a different posting before, but they might just have more (and more qualified) applicants to this posting. If so, even as a military spouse applicant, she might be blocked because she is not in the "best qualified" group of military spouse applicants. |