You are tentatively eligible for this series/grade but not referred

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Anonymous wrote:Your replies are very confusing OP. Perhaps you don’t have the “better way with words” that you claim.

What part was confusing? I mean if you really care and are confused about something that was said, just ask for clarification ...... Or maybe you are just butt hurt over something and can't get over it. Perhaps you being upset over someones husband doing some research online to help his wife is clouding your judgement and ability to comprehend the English language? It could be that your own reading comprehension is not what it should be. Maybe you can try to insult me some more since you clearly have nothing else to offer this thread? Be my guest.

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And this folks, for those who have read this ludicrous thread all the way through, is what is wrong with veteran’s preference in federal hiring. SMH.

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Anonymous wrote:Did your qualifying disability occur while you were on active duty?

Yes it did. Unless this means something I don't understand yet. I was active for 20 years and retired. I filed a claim for my disabilities attained why serving on active status. I was granted 100 percent disability.

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Anonymous wrote:Hey OP, why are you so combative?

If it sounds like I am combative its because I've had people accuse me of all sorts of things in this thread. I didn't expect to get combative answers to my questions. I didn't expect to have to be defending myself for doing research. I'm getting the feeling this isn't the most friendly environment to ask questions.

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Anonymous wrote:And this folks, for those who have read this ludicrous thread all the way through, is what is wrong with veteran’s preference in federal hiring. SMH.

Can you explain what you mean by this? I don't have an issue with veterans getting preference, because I think they earned that, but the system is extremely screwed up in how they apply it.

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Anonymous wrote:Your replies are very confusing OP. Perhaps you don’t have the “better way with words” that you claim.

What part was confusing? I mean if you really care and are confused about something that was said, just ask for clarification ...... Or maybe you are just butt hurt over something and can't get over it. Perhaps you being upset over someones husband doing some research online to help his wife is clouding your judgement and ability to comprehend the English language? It could be that your own reading comprehension is not what it should be. Maybe you can try to insult me some more since you clearly have nothing else to offer this thread? Be my guest.

Let me have a crack at it...I think you are the one who is “butt hurt” because you, as proxy for your wife, applied for a job and failed to upload the correct documentation. Perhaps you uploaded your DD-214 and checked the XP box instead of uploading the Request for Military Spouse Request form and checking that box. Your wife got the notification mentioned in the thread title. Another spouse on base, who happens to be friends with someone who works in HR, was selected for the job because s/he was qualified and uploaded the correct documents. Now you want heads to roll. Am I close?

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Anonymous wrote:This is...intense. I understand that your wife’s career has an impact on you and your family, but why are you so involved? “We” got a resume service, “our” fault, “we” made a FOIA request...are you applying for jobs on your wife’s behalf?

What? Why am I so involved? Its my wife, and yes it does have a huge impact on all of us. Its a joint effort. I'm not applying for a job, SHE IS. I'm simply doing my due diligence on her behalf to help find out what is going on. We are a military family. Those terms like We/our are common terminology because everyone in our household is affected by our careers.

My husband has never called my employer asking why I wasn’t selected for a job but you do you. I’m sure they’re eager to work with you.

What? I never called the employer. What you are you talking about? Where did I say I called an employer? We are talking about the federal hiring process. She filled out the application on USA Jobs and together we helped to build her resume. You can't just hire your friends. I know it happens all the time, but there is a process involved and we are ensuring this process, their own rules, are followed. If it hurts your feelings that I as a husband want to get involved and help in the process of appealing their decision then I don't know what to tell you. Seek counseling perhaps? Im sorry your husband doesn't give a crap.

OK maybe you didn’t say you actually called but you are clearly in contact with the agency. You realize USAJOBS doesn’t make the employment decisions? And I already work in federal HR as a GS employee so don’t feel too bad for me.

To be clear, I have not made contact with anyone personally involved in this process. The only thing I have done is help to research answers for my wife and help her to put her questions into words. She sends the emails and asks the questions. I'm involved because she works now and I don't. I like to research information and I like to help out when I can.

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks for the reply, but just to add a little extra info, the position my wife is applying for is an HR position. It is in the Intel community and she is actually working the position now which they are turning into a GS position. The exact same position in other building across the same compound using the exact same resume was referred not 1 month prior. That particular position though we knew was going to be more competitive simply because of the in house applicants. This position she IS the in house applicant and is using the same resume. The hiring manager, her boss, loves her, so she has a great chance of getting hired if her resume gets through. I always hear people trying to defend the system as not being shady, yet every person I know who has one of these jobs admits as much if you know them. No way her resume makes it through for a duplicate job but not this one. The position is literally designed around her qualifications because she IS the SME. We have worked extremely hard to get her resume to show her experience and qualifications and have it ensure it matches the job posting. That work paid off on the duplicate job across the compound. We are just scratching our heads as to why it didn't seem to be enough for this announcement.

Something happened, because I don't see that many people applying for this specialized position to out score her to the point of her not even being referred. I guess we will see soon. We aren't going to just let this one slide like we have the others with a, "well that's just how it is" answer. I was more curious if anyone has experience with this sort of reply from USAJOBS. Tentatively eligible but then not referred. What does that even mean? I seems they come up with new and creative ways to deny people all of the time.

Sorry you are so frustrated, but your statement in bold shows you don’t understand how the federal hiring process works. It is a different posting, so no telling how many candidates applied, what the cutoff for the cert is (99/100? 95/100?) PP explained some of this. There are literally dozens of “ways” in which this posting is different from any other. Your best bet is to contact HR for the position in which she was not referred, see if they will reconsider or at least provide an explanation. It is necessarily something nefarious going on here.

Its the exact same job. EXACT same job. Different building. Prior to listing these jobs they have a PD that is created that determines what points apply to what position. Both positions were the same. When you work in HR you are often a part of the planning committees for these newly created positions so you know what goes into creating them. Thanks though for your input, although I'm not sure what you were trying to accomplish.

Again, it is a DIFFERENT POSTING. Doesn’t matter if it is the same job in the SAME building reporting to the SAME manager. Why is this so difficult for you to understand? This new posting, even for the “same” job, could have received 3x as many applications- just one example of how circumstances can be vastly different. I have accomplished an attempt to provide advice which you sought by posting to this forum. Just because you are dissatisfied with the answer doesn’t make this any less true how the process is likely playing out in your case.

Um ok, so lets say 10000000000 people apply, then what? Who gets preference? What is the cutoff for the number of applications that can be sent forward? Are they making decisions for the hiring manager if all 10000000000 people who applied have the same resume? You see these are the questions you seem to not know how to answer. I would gladly take your advice but you aren't providing any. You are simply saying the posting is different, so therefore she may not be referred even though she has max preference points. So who gets referred in those situations? Someone in HR decides whose resume they like better? An actual person looks at the resumes and decides who they want to refer even if they both have similar qualifications and preference? You see the problem I have with this is how this invisible wall is put up between the applicant and the hiring manager and the ones controlling access to the door to this wall have a variety of rules they can apply as their whim.

The real problem is that your wife did not claim a preference *at the time of application* that you now feel she is eligible for. I’m not sure why you are blaming everyone else for your mistake; there has not been any incorrect action on the part of HR thus far so I am not sure why you are so combative. No one is applying rules on a whim. The HR person did not know your wife had this preference (if she even does) and others claimed it at the time of application. Simple as that.

Umm, I haven't blamed anyone here. Maybe you should work on not taking simply questions so personal. And again, since you haven't seen her application, how do you know she didn't claim the preference at the time of the application? Because Im here to tell you, SHE DID. That is why I am here asking questions. Get it yet? This isn't the first application she has submitted. I get it, you think there is no way anyone could possibly fill out these applications properly, but she actually did. Now we know that for a fact. She was denied because they gave military spouses applying preference, even though her application clearly states she is a spouse of a 100 percent disabled veteran and was claiming that preference. HR even acknowledged this and still tried to say it didn't matter because military spouse preference trumped her disabled spouse preference. So my question was, how is this so when the spouse preference clearly includes spouses who are married to 100 percent disabled veterans.

PP you responded to. I will ignore how incredibly rude you are being to me and others. So your wife applied for Military Spouse Preference and submitted all of the paperwork with her application? Like someone else said, it’s a non-competitive hiring authority and even could have been on a separate, concurrent announcement. Often times positions are announced consecutively under competitive and non-competitive hiring authorities.

I think what people are pointing out is that you are assuming that the HR person is doing something wrong or not considering your wife’s preference, when in fact no one knows if she claimed it correctly, is actually eligible for it after review of her claim, or if there was a separate announcement for special hiring authorities altogether.

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks for the reply, but just to add a little extra info, the position my wife is applying for is an HR position. It is in the Intel community and she is actually working the position now which they are turning into a GS position. The exact same position in other building across the same compound using the exact same resume was referred not 1 month prior. That particular position though we knew was going to be more competitive simply because of the in house applicants. This position she IS the in house applicant and is using the same resume. The hiring manager, her boss, loves her, so she has a great chance of getting hired if her resume gets through. I always hear people trying to defend the system as not being shady, yet every person I know who has one of these jobs admits as much if you know them. No way her resume makes it through for a duplicate job but not this one. The position is literally designed around her qualifications because she IS the SME. We have worked extremely hard to get her resume to show her experience and qualifications and have it ensure it matches the job posting. That work paid off on the duplicate job across the compound. We are just scratching our heads as to why it didn't seem to be enough for this announcement.

Something happened, because I don't see that many people applying for this specialized position to out score her to the point of her not even being referred. I guess we will see soon. We aren't going to just let this one slide like we have the others with a, "well that's just how it is" answer. I was more curious if anyone has experience with this sort of reply from USAJOBS. Tentatively eligible but then not referred. What does that even mean? I seems they come up with new and creative ways to deny people all of the time.

Sorry you are so frustrated, but your statement in bold shows you don’t understand how the federal hiring process works. It is a different posting, so no telling how many candidates applied, what the cutoff for the cert is (99/100? 95/100?) PP explained some of this. There are literally dozens of “ways” in which this posting is different from any other. Your best bet is to contact HR for the position in which she was not referred, see if they will reconsider or at least provide an explanation. It is necessarily something nefarious going on here.

Its the exact same job. EXACT same job. Different building. Prior to listing these jobs they have a PD that is created that determines what points apply to what position. Both positions were the same. When you work in HR you are often a part of the planning committees for these newly created positions so you know what goes into creating them. Thanks though for your input, although I'm not sure what you were trying to accomplish.

Again, it is a DIFFERENT POSTING. Doesn’t matter if it is the same job in the SAME building reporting to the SAME manager. Why is this so difficult for you to understand? This new posting, even for the “same” job, could have received 3x as many applications- just one example of how circumstances can be vastly different. I have accomplished an attempt to provide advice which you sought by posting to this forum. Just because you are dissatisfied with the answer doesn’t make this any less true how the process is likely playing out in your case.

Um ok, so lets say 10000000000 people apply, then what? Who gets preference? What is the cutoff for the number of applications that can be sent forward? Are they making decisions for the hiring manager if all 10000000000 people who applied have the same resume? You see these are the questions you seem to not know how to answer. I would gladly take your advice but you aren't providing any. You are simply saying the posting is different, so therefore she may not be referred even though she has max preference points. So who gets referred in those situations? Someone in HR decides whose resume they like better? An actual person looks at the resumes and decides who they want to refer even if they both have similar qualifications and preference? You see the problem I have with this is how this invisible wall is put up between the applicant and the hiring manager and the ones controlling access to the door to this wall have a variety of rules they can apply as their whim.

The real problem is that your wife did not claim a preference *at the time of application* that you now feel she is eligible for. I’m not sure why you are blaming everyone else for your mistake; there has not been any incorrect action on the part of HR thus far so I am not sure why you are so combative. No one is applying rules on a whim. The HR person did not know your wife had this preference (if she even does) and others claimed it at the time of application. Simple as that.

Umm, I haven't blamed anyone here. Maybe you should work on not taking simply questions so personal. And again, since you haven't seen her application, how do you know she didn't claim the preference at the time of the application? Because Im here to tell you, SHE DID. That is why I am here asking questions. Get it yet? This isn't the first application she has submitted. I get it, you think there is no way anyone could possibly fill out these applications properly, but she actually did. Now we know that for a fact. She was denied because they gave military spouses applying preference, even though her application clearly states she is a spouse of a 100 percent disabled veteran and was claiming that preference. HR even acknowledged this and still tried to say it didn't matter because military spouse preference trumped her disabled spouse preference. So my question was, how is this so when the spouse preference clearly includes spouses who are married to 100 percent disabled veterans.

PP you responded to. I will ignore how incredibly rude you are being to me and others. So your wife applied for Military Spouse Preference and submitted all of the paperwork with her application? Like someone else said, it’s a non-competitive hiring authority and even could have been on a separate, concurrent announcement. Often times positions are announced consecutively under competitive and non-competitive hiring authorities.

I think what people are pointing out is that you are assuming that the HR person is doing something wrong or not considering your wife’s preference, when in fact no one knows if she claimed it correctly, is actually eligible for it after review of her claim, or if there was a separate announcement for special hiring authorities altogether.

*announced concurrently, not consecutively. Post-Christmas brain.

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Anonymous wrote:Your replies are very confusing OP. Perhaps you don’t have the “better way with words” that you claim.

What part was confusing? I mean if you really care and are confused about something that was said, just ask for clarification ...... Or maybe you are just butt hurt over something and can't get over it. Perhaps you being upset over someones husband doing some research online to help his wife is clouding your judgement and ability to comprehend the English language? It could be that your own reading comprehension is not what it should be. Maybe you can try to insult me some more since you clearly have nothing else to offer this thread? Be my guest.

Let me have a crack at it...I think you are the one who is “butt hurt” because you, as proxy for your wife, applied for a job and failed to upload the correct documentation. Perhaps you uploaded your DD-214 and checked the XP box instead of uploading the Request for Military Spouse Request form and checking that box. Your wife got the notification mentioned in the thread title. Another spouse on base, who happens to be friends with someone who works in HR, was selected for the job because s/he was qualified and uploaded the correct documents. Now you want heads to roll. Am I close?

Nope, not even almost close. You see this is exactly why everyone thinks this stuff is a sham. I came here asking questions and look at what you are doing now. And someone else asked me why I was combative. What kind of asshole are you? "proxy for my wife? " I'm guessing you never served a day in your life, and I close? Your daddy got you a job and now you think everyone else is beneath you? Am I close? We didn't fail to upload anything. Its all there. We checked all the boxes. The whole friends with someone in HR is probably spot on though huh. Yeah I know how it works. You see again, my wife isn't a military spouse, she is the spouse of a 100 percent disabled veteran. Every document required to claim this preference was included. So sorry, but we did upload all the correct documents. Every single one. We checked all the appropriate boxes, every single one, and I simply want to know why she wasn't given the dignity of at least getting referred like the rest of the applicants who were referred. I've learned my lesson though, this isn't the place for answers. Not sure what this forum is even for. You have done nothing but cry and complain and accuse from the start. Why even bother posting if thats all you had to offer?

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks for the reply, but just to add a little extra info, the position my wife is applying for is an HR position. It is in the Intel community and she is actually working the position now which they are turning into a GS position. The exact same position in other building across the same compound using the exact same resume was referred not 1 month prior. That particular position though we knew was going to be more competitive simply because of the in house applicants. This position she IS the in house applicant and is using the same resume. The hiring manager, her boss, loves her, so she has a great chance of getting hired if her resume gets through. I always hear people trying to defend the system as not being shady, yet every person I know who has one of these jobs admits as much if you know them. No way her resume makes it through for a duplicate job but not this one. The position is literally designed around her qualifications because she IS the SME. We have worked extremely hard to get her resume to show her experience and qualifications and have it ensure it matches the job posting. That work paid off on the duplicate job across the compound. We are just scratching our heads as to why it didn't seem to be enough for this announcement.

Something happened, because I don't see that many people applying for this specialized position to out score her to the point of her not even being referred. I guess we will see soon. We aren't going to just let this one slide like we have the others with a, "well that's just how it is" answer. I was more curious if anyone has experience with this sort of reply from USAJOBS. Tentatively eligible but then not referred. What does that even mean? I seems they come up with new and creative ways to deny people all of the time.

Sorry you are so frustrated, but your statement in bold shows you don’t understand how the federal hiring process works. It is a different posting, so no telling how many candidates applied, what the cutoff for the cert is (99/100? 95/100?) PP explained some of this. There are literally dozens of “ways” in which this posting is different from any other. Your best bet is to contact HR for the position in which she was not referred, see if they will reconsider or at least provide an explanation. It is necessarily something nefarious going on here.

Its the exact same job. EXACT same job. Different building. Prior to listing these jobs they have a PD that is created that determines what points apply to what position. Both positions were the same. When you work in HR you are often a part of the planning committees for these newly created positions so you know what goes into creating them. Thanks though for your input, although I'm not sure what you were trying to accomplish.

Again, it is a DIFFERENT POSTING. Doesn’t matter if it is the same job in the SAME building reporting to the SAME manager. Why is this so difficult for you to understand? This new posting, even for the “same” job, could have received 3x as many applications- just one example of how circumstances can be vastly different. I have accomplished an attempt to provide advice which you sought by posting to this forum. Just because you are dissatisfied with the answer doesn’t make this any less true how the process is likely playing out in your case.

Um ok, so lets say 10000000000 people apply, then what? Who gets preference? What is the cutoff for the number of applications that can be sent forward? Are they making decisions for the hiring manager if all 10000000000 people who applied have the same resume? You see these are the questions you seem to not know how to answer. I would gladly take your advice but you aren't providing any. You are simply saying the posting is different, so therefore she may not be referred even though she has max preference points. So who gets referred in those situations? Someone in HR decides whose resume they like better? An actual person looks at the resumes and decides who they want to refer even if they both have similar qualifications and preference? You see the problem I have with this is how this invisible wall is put up between the applicant and the hiring manager and the ones controlling access to the door to this wall have a variety of rules they can apply as their whim.

The real problem is that your wife did not claim a preference *at the time of application* that you now feel she is eligible for. I’m not sure why you are blaming everyone else for your mistake; there has not been any incorrect action on the part of HR thus far so I am not sure why you are so combative. No one is applying rules on a whim. The HR person did not know your wife had this preference (if she even does) and others claimed it at the time of application. Simple as that.

Umm, I haven't blamed anyone here. Maybe you should work on not taking simply questions so personal. And again, since you haven't seen her application, how do you know she didn't claim the preference at the time of the application? Because Im here to tell you, SHE DID. That is why I am here asking questions. Get it yet? This isn't the first application she has submitted. I get it, you think there is no way anyone could possibly fill out these applications properly, but she actually did. Now we know that for a fact. She was denied because they gave military spouses applying preference, even though her application clearly states she is a spouse of a 100 percent disabled veteran and was claiming that preference. HR even acknowledged this and still tried to say it didn't matter because military spouse preference trumped her disabled spouse preference. So my question was, how is this so when the spouse preference clearly includes spouses who are married to 100 percent disabled veterans.

PP you responded to. I will ignore how incredibly rude you are being to me and others. So your wife applied for Military Spouse Preference and submitted all of the paperwork with her application? Like someone else said, it’s a non-competitive hiring authority and even could have been on a separate, concurrent announcement. Often times positions are announced consecutively under competitive and non-competitive hiring authorities.

I think what people are pointing out is that you are assuming that the HR person is doing something wrong or not considering your wife’s preference, when in fact no one knows if she claimed it correctly, is actually eligible for it after review of her claim, or if there was a separate announcement for special hiring authorities altogether.

*announced concurrently, not consecutively. Post-Christmas brain.

Ok, but none of you have the announcement so you don't know. So instead of telling me you need more information about the announcement or clarify some of the different scenarios , you just choose to attack me and then say I'm the one being rude. I mean read some of these peoples responses to me. I can't even believe how some of you are acting. Yet you think its me? WTF

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Anonymous wrote:Your replies are very confusing OP. Perhaps you don’t have the “better way with words” that you claim.

What part was confusing? I mean if you really care and are confused about something that was said, just ask for clarification ...... Or maybe you are just butt hurt over something and can't get over it. Perhaps you being upset over someones husband doing some research online to help his wife is clouding your judgement and ability to comprehend the English language? It could be that your own reading comprehension is not what it should be. Maybe you can try to insult me some more since you clearly have nothing else to offer this thread? Be my guest.

Let me have a crack at it...I think you are the one who is “butt hurt” because you, as proxy for your wife, applied for a job and failed to upload the correct documentation. Perhaps you uploaded your DD-214 and checked the XP box instead of uploading the Request for Military Spouse Request form and checking that box. Your wife got the notification mentioned in the thread title. Another spouse on base, who happens to be friends with someone who works in HR, was selected for the job because s/he was qualified and uploaded the correct documents. Now you want heads to roll. Am I close?

Nope, not even almost close. You see this is exactly why everyone thinks this stuff is a sham. I came here asking questions and look at what you are doing now. And someone else asked me why I was combative. What kind of asshole are you? "proxy for my wife? " I'm guessing you never served a day in your life, and I close? Your daddy got you a job and now you think everyone else is beneath you? Am I close? We didn't fail to upload anything. Its all there. We checked all the boxes. The whole friends with someone in HR is probably spot on though huh. Yeah I know how it works. You see again, my wife isn't a military spouse, she is the spouse of a 100 percent disabled veteran. Every document required to claim this preference was included. So sorry, but we did upload all the correct documents. Every single one. We checked all the appropriate boxes, every single one, and I simply want to know why she wasn't given the dignity of at least getting referred like the rest of the applicants who were referred. I've learned my lesson though, this isn't the place for answers. Not sure what this forum is even for. You have done nothing but cry and complain and accuse from the start. Why even bother posting if thats all you had to offer?

You are wrong with your assumptions as well but please understand that the XP derived preference and the non-competitive hiring authority under EO 13473 are two different things byeeeeeeee

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I would consider posting on bogleheads. Lots of super smart folks over there.

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks for the reply, but just to add a little extra info, the position my wife is applying for is an HR position. It is in the Intel community and she is actually working the position now which they are turning into a GS position. The exact same position in other building across the same compound using the exact same resume was referred not 1 month prior. That particular position though we knew was going to be more competitive simply because of the in house applicants. This position she IS the in house applicant and is using the same resume. The hiring manager, her boss, loves her, so she has a great chance of getting hired if her resume gets through. I always hear people trying to defend the system as not being shady, yet every person I know who has one of these jobs admits as much if you know them. No way her resume makes it through for a duplicate job but not this one. The position is literally designed around her qualifications because she IS the SME. We have worked extremely hard to get her resume to show her experience and qualifications and have it ensure it matches the job posting. That work paid off on the duplicate job across the compound. We are just scratching our heads as to why it didn't seem to be enough for this announcement.

Something happened, because I don't see that many people applying for this specialized position to out score her to the point of her not even being referred. I guess we will see soon. We aren't going to just let this one slide like we have the others with a, "well that's just how it is" answer. I was more curious if anyone has experience with this sort of reply from USAJOBS. Tentatively eligible but then not referred. What does that even mean? I seems they come up with new and creative ways to deny people all of the time.

Sorry you are so frustrated, but your statement in bold shows you don’t understand how the federal hiring process works. It is a different posting, so no telling how many candidates applied, what the cutoff for the cert is (99/100? 95/100?) PP explained some of this. There are literally dozens of “ways” in which this posting is different from any other. Your best bet is to contact HR for the position in which she was not referred, see if they will reconsider or at least provide an explanation. It is necessarily something nefarious going on here.

Its the exact same job. EXACT same job. Different building. Prior to listing these jobs they have a PD that is created that determines what points apply to what position. Both positions were the same. When you work in HR you are often a part of the planning committees for these newly created positions so you know what goes into creating them. Thanks though for your input, although I'm not sure what you were trying to accomplish.

Again, it is a DIFFERENT POSTING. Doesn’t matter if it is the same job in the SAME building reporting to the SAME manager. Why is this so difficult for you to understand? This new posting, even for the “same” job, could have received 3x as many applications- just one example of how circumstances can be vastly different. I have accomplished an attempt to provide advice which you sought by posting to this forum. Just because you are dissatisfied with the answer doesn’t make this any less true how the process is likely playing out in your case.

Um ok, so lets say 10000000000 people apply, then what? Who gets preference? What is the cutoff for the number of applications that can be sent forward? Are they making decisions for the hiring manager if all 10000000000 people who applied have the same resume? You see these are the questions you seem to not know how to answer. I would gladly take your advice but you aren't providing any. You are simply saying the posting is different, so therefore she may not be referred even though she has max preference points. So who gets referred in those situations? Someone in HR decides whose resume they like better? An actual person looks at the resumes and decides who they want to refer even if they both have similar qualifications and preference? You see the problem I have with this is how this invisible wall is put up between the applicant and the hiring manager and the ones controlling access to the door to this wall have a variety of rules they can apply as their whim.

The real problem is that your wife did not claim a preference *at the time of application* that you now feel she is eligible for. I’m not sure why you are blaming everyone else for your mistake; there has not been any incorrect action on the part of HR thus far so I am not sure why you are so combative. No one is applying rules on a whim. The HR person did not know your wife had this preference (if she even does) and others claimed it at the time of application. Simple as that.

Umm, I haven't blamed anyone here. Maybe you should work on not taking simply questions so personal. And again, since you haven't seen her application, how do you know she didn't claim the preference at the time of the application? Because Im here to tell you, SHE DID. That is why I am here asking questions. Get it yet? This isn't the first application she has submitted. I get it, you think there is no way anyone could possibly fill out these applications properly, but she actually did. Now we know that for a fact. She was denied because they gave military spouses applying preference, even though her application clearly states she is a spouse of a 100 percent disabled veteran and was claiming that preference. HR even acknowledged this and still tried to say it didn't matter because military spouse preference trumped her disabled spouse preference. So my question was, how is this so when the spouse preference clearly includes spouses who are married to 100 percent disabled veterans.

PP you responded to. I will ignore how incredibly rude you are being to me and others. So your wife applied for Military Spouse Preference and submitted all of the paperwork with her application? Like someone else said, it’s a non-competitive hiring authority and even could have been on a separate, concurrent announcement. Often times positions are announced consecutively under competitive and non-competitive hiring authorities.

I think what people are pointing out is that you are assuming that the HR person is doing something wrong or not considering your wife’s preference, when in fact no one knows if she claimed it correctly, is actually eligible for it after review of her claim, or if there was a separate announcement for special hiring authorities altogether.

*announced concurrently, not consecutively. Post-Christmas brain.

Ok, but none of you have the announcement so you don't know. So instead of telling me you need more information about the announcement or clarify some of the different scenarios , you just choose to attack me and then say I'm the one being rude. I mean read some of these peoples responses to me. I can't even believe how some of you are acting. Yet you think its me? WTF

Well you have the announcement, so tell us if she specifically applied for MSP. It does not sound like it. You haven’t been articulate not clear about many of the details, so what you perceive as people attacking you is their way of trying to get to the bottom of the actual situation (which now looks very different than it did your first post).

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Anonymous wrote:Your replies are very confusing OP. Perhaps you don’t have the “better way with words” that you claim.

What part was confusing? I mean if you really care and are confused about something that was said, just ask for clarification ...... Or maybe you are just butt hurt over something and can't get over it. Perhaps you being upset over someones husband doing some research online to help his wife is clouding your judgement and ability to comprehend the English language? It could be that your own reading comprehension is not what it should be. Maybe you can try to insult me some more since you clearly have nothing else to offer this thread? Be my guest.

Let me have a crack at it...I think you are the one who is “butt hurt” because you, as proxy for your wife, applied for a job and failed to upload the correct documentation. Perhaps you uploaded your DD-214 and checked the XP box instead of uploading the Request for Military Spouse Request form and checking that box. Your wife got the notification mentioned in the thread title. Another spouse on base, who happens to be friends with someone who works in HR, was selected for the job because s/he was qualified and uploaded the correct documents. Now you want heads to roll. Am I close?

Nope, not even almost close. You see this is exactly why everyone thinks this stuff is a sham. I came here asking questions and look at what you are doing now. And someone else asked me why I was combative. What kind of asshole are you? "proxy for my wife? " I'm guessing you never served a day in your life, and I close? Your daddy got you a job and now you think everyone else is beneath you? Am I close? We didn't fail to upload anything. Its all there. We checked all the boxes. The whole friends with someone in HR is probably spot on though huh. Yeah I know how it works. You see again, my wife isn't a military spouse, she is the spouse of a 100 percent disabled veteran. Every document required to claim this preference was included. So sorry, but we did upload all the correct documents. Every single one. We checked all the appropriate boxes, every single one, and I simply want to know why she wasn't given the dignity of at least getting referred like the rest of the applicants who were referred. I've learned my lesson though, this isn't the place for answers. Not sure what this forum is even for. You have done nothing but cry and complain and accuse from the start. Why even bother posting if thats all you had to offer?

You are wrong with your assumptions as well but please understand that the XP derived preference and the non-competitive hiring authority under EO 13473 are two different things byeeeeeeee

So why not explain what you are talking about? I've read EO 13473 and it specifically includes spouses of 100 percent disabled veterans. It actually uses the word "OR" when describing who is eligible for this preference. So are you trying to say she has a difference preference? I'm looking at the EO now and it says she is included. When you look up derived preference it comes up with explanations for all categories, and then I found this "Special Note: Military Spouse Preference is a Department of Defense authority applicable to positions being filled both in the continental United States and at overseas locations. Agencies are not required to use this hiring authority, nor does it take precedence over the use of other appointment mechanisms. For more information contact your local Department of Defense civilian personnel office." What does it mean that it doesn't take precedence over other appointment mechanisms?