APS - First Career Center Concept

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Anonymous wrote:So now according to rumors and that email from Gutshall it appears that the Arlington County Board and APS are trying to opt out of building the parking garage at the Career Center? Any ideas what this would do to the existing CTE courses? What about the viability of Arlington Tech, let alone whatever new option school they want to put there?

I saw in another post that a very large number of Arlington Tech students have already dropped out for a variety of unrelated reasons. But the more this school is built without the kinds of things that draw students to it and the more that it is perceived as a second rate school Arlington doesn't care about, the worse its going to get.

It kind of seems like Arlington is putting alot of money into what will be a failing school no one wants to teach at or attend. Maybe they should revisit even bothering with expanding there until they can establish a program people want to attend or can at least afford to build something desirable.

Can you post this email? If the garage gets dropped, hopefully, that area gets permit parking or there's a satellite lot.

The county is trying to force TDM on the site. They want to build no parking for staff, and won’t allow the neighborhood to zone. So basically, staff and nearby residents either battle it out for street parking, or maybe they can rent spaces in buildings somewhat nearby, including commercial buildings that have 0 incentive to give up the parking that’s keeping them afloat, because ain’t nobody riding the 16 to go out to dinner.

Anyway, everyone should know that the CC Principal and a student rep were on the team that designed the plaza concept. The county shill’s team put forward a concept that put CTE classroom space in a separate building from the main one and underground, against the wishes of instructional leaders, all under the future field, to block parking from ever being able to be built. It’s insane. This person is playing really fast and loose with her “memory” of events and conversations and even the what the architects have presented to the group or what items most everyone else agrees upon.

Good. I think the county should force TDM. I also think they should allow the neighborhood to have permits, pay for teacher parking nearby and force students to use others means as much as possible. Arlington is urban. We need to accept that. These aren't elementary students. I think they can get to school via public transit. Obviously, some will need to drive, but most won't. We should do TDM and get permits.

You think dozens of students can get to and from the CC to other schools, homes and places of work at various times during the weekday? You obviously don’t ride public transit yourself, at least not in that area. We may be “urban” but we don’t have the public transit to match.

So let's build a huge garage? Or... we could increase pubic transit.

So let’s do both. Build an underground garage that is metered.

[Anonymous]

With all the talk of the lack of parking at Fleet, I’m wondering: what’s the proposed parking situation at Reed?

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So 5 year olds can walk up to a mile to get to school (according to APS) but grown adult teachers can't walk 1/2 mile from their car? And plenty of people in this area don't get free parking right on site at their place of work. Doesn't anyone else here work in downtown DC? I realize there are better transit options downtown, but the vast majority of DC workers still drive every day. They just pay to park in garages near-ish their offices or get lucky and find a spot on the street.

tl/dr: Why is Gutshall's email a big deal?

1. This isn't a particularly centrally located area, it is no where near a metro. The bus rides up Columbia pike can be long and cumbersome with frequent stops. Bus service along Columbia Pike has been decreased. And the county/Army are about to rip up the road between the Pentagon and Columbia pike as part of the cemetery expansion. Bottom line commuting via public transportation will be too time consuming to be a viable option for many.

2. Many teacher and staff don't live in Arlington (can't afford to) and could not easily commute via public transportation even if they wanted to. We are talking teachers who live in Loudoun County, in Maryland, in Prince William County. These people don't want to add 20 -30 minutes to their day circling the neighborhood looking for parking and then walking to the school.
Teachers often have to carry lots of papers/heavy things back and forth between their class and their car.
Lack of dedicated parking impacts their willingness to work at specific schools. Lack of parking negatively impacts teacher retention and hiring. This has already been an issue at Fleet for the same reason.

3. Other Arlington schools do offer parking. So teachers can take a job at Fleet or the CCHS just to get in the door with APS and then request a transfer to another Arlington school that does offer parking. This imposes higher turnover rate, less experienced teachers and less teacher stability on the students of those schools compared to the rest of the County.

4. Substitute teachers are at a premium and won't work at schools that don't offer parking. Again this is already a problem at Fleet. What will the school do without a viable pool of subs. How will that impact student instruction.

5. There isn't alot of neighborhood parking and that particular neighborhood also has to absorb parking from Fleet which was purposely built under parked, TJ Middle School and TJ Community Center. The site in question is the Career Center High School, Montessori Elementary school and a County Library. There is not enough street parking in that neighborhood to absorb parking from 4 different schools and 2 different community buildings. So where will people go?

6. The entire concept of CTE requires kids to be able to get from their other school to the CCHS and then back to their home school during the day. Some parents have said that the bus schedule does not work to make the classes they want/need and they wait until their kids are driving age and able to go back and forth between the Career center and their home high school via their own transportation. Removing parking serves as a barrier to kids attending CTE classes.

7. Arlington Tech is hemorrhaging kids who cannot make their class schedule and busing work to get back to their home school for extra curricular, music, and sports. Some kids are willing to suck it up and stay until they are able to drive under the belief that it will be easier once they can drive. If the logistics of going to school there don't allow kids to participate in activities at their home school for the whole of their high school experience, less kids are going to volunteer to go to school there.

8. teachers and students could possible park in private garages for a fee. This imposes a cost on teachers and students only at that school vs. additional availability at other schools. Again students and teachers have the option to move elsewhere and will over something like an imposed extra cost.

The entire concept of the Career Center is based on the idea that over a thousand kids will willingly attend the school. If there is no parking, its hard to get to, you have no realistic access to sports, music, extracurricular because you can't actually get back to your home school, the teachers are constantly turning over, leaving for other schools, and unable to build up unique programs due to lack of continuity, who is going to go there??

If Arlington spends millions on a bet that 2,000 kids are willing to go there and they aren't, what happens? Who gets forced there? Or have we spent ridiculous amounts of money on a school that sits half empty with constant teacher turnover cause the county can't force anyone to attend/work there.

Please stop claiming its hard to get to the CC. That's a straight up lie. So many buses pass by this school and its 2 miles to the Pentagon or Ballston/Clarendon. In fact, I get from that stop to the Pentagon in less than 10 minutes. It will be even quicker coming the other way. If it's such a horrible site, we shouldn't be putting a school there.

If you got from the Pentagon to the CC by bus in less than ten minutes I will eat the phone I’m typing this on. 8 minute headway’s mean you will, on average wait 4 minutes per bus. 4 traffic lights along the way plus the circuitous Pentagon bus loop means I’m calling shenanigans.

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So 5 year olds can walk up to a mile to get to school (according to APS) but grown adult teachers can't walk 1/2 mile from their car? And plenty of people in this area don't get free parking right on site at their place of work. Doesn't anyone else here work in downtown DC? I realize there are better transit options downtown, but the vast majority of DC workers still drive every day. They just pay to park in garages near-ish their offices or get lucky and find a spot on the street.

tl/dr: Why is Gutshall's email a big deal?

1. This isn't a particularly centrally located area, it is no where near a metro. The bus rides up Columbia pike can be long and cumbersome with frequent stops. Bus service along Columbia Pike has been decreased. And the county/Army are about to rip up the road between the Pentagon and Columbia pike as part of the cemetery expansion. Bottom line commuting via public transportation will be too time consuming to be a viable option for many.

2. Many teacher and staff don't live in Arlington (can't afford to) and could not easily commute via public transportation even if they wanted to. We are talking teachers who live in Loudoun County, in Maryland, in Prince William County. These people don't want to add 20 -30 minutes to their day circling the neighborhood looking for parking and then walking to the school.
Teachers often have to carry lots of papers/heavy things back and forth between their class and their car.
Lack of dedicated parking impacts their willingness to work at specific schools. Lack of parking negatively impacts teacher retention and hiring. This has already been an issue at Fleet for the same reason.

3. Other Arlington schools do offer parking. So teachers can take a job at Fleet or the CCHS just to get in the door with APS and then request a transfer to another Arlington school that does offer parking. This imposes higher turnover rate, less experienced teachers and less teacher stability on the students of those schools compared to the rest of the County.

4. Substitute teachers are at a premium and won't work at schools that don't offer parking. Again this is already a problem at Fleet. What will the school do without a viable pool of subs. How will that impact student instruction.

5. There isn't alot of neighborhood parking and that particular neighborhood also has to absorb parking from Fleet which was purposely built under parked, TJ Middle School and TJ Community Center. The site in question is the Career Center High School, Montessori Elementary school and a County Library. There is not enough street parking in that neighborhood to absorb parking from 4 different schools and 2 different community buildings. So where will people go?

6. The entire concept of CTE requires kids to be able to get from their other school to the CCHS and then back to their home school during the day. Some parents have said that the bus schedule does not work to make the classes they want/need and they wait until their kids are driving age and able to go back and forth between the Career center and their home high school via their own transportation. Removing parking serves as a barrier to kids attending CTE classes.

7. Arlington Tech is hemorrhaging kids who cannot make their class schedule and busing work to get back to their home school for extra curricular, music, and sports. Some kids are willing to suck it up and stay until they are able to drive under the belief that it will be easier once they can drive. If the logistics of going to school there don't allow kids to participate in activities at their home school for the whole of their high school experience, less kids are going to volunteer to go to school there.

8. teachers and students could possible park in private garages for a fee. This imposes a cost on teachers and students only at that school vs. additional availability at other schools. Again students and teachers have the option to move elsewhere and will over something like an imposed extra cost.

The entire concept of the Career Center is based on the idea that over a thousand kids will willingly attend the school. If there is no parking, its hard to get to, you have no realistic access to sports, music, extracurricular because you can't actually get back to your home school, the teachers are constantly turning over, leaving for other schools, and unable to build up unique programs due to lack of continuity, who is going to go there??

If Arlington spends millions on a bet that 2,000 kids are willing to go there and they aren't, what happens? Who gets forced there? Or have we spent ridiculous amounts of money on a school that sits half empty with constant teacher turnover cause the county can't force anyone to attend/work there.

Please stop claiming its hard to get to the CC. That's a straight up lie. So many buses pass by this school and its 2 miles to the Pentagon or Ballston/Clarendon. In fact, I get from that stop to the Pentagon in less than 10 minutes. It will be even quicker coming the other way. If it's such a horrible site, we shouldn't be putting a school there.

Yeah. On a morning express bus. Try riding it outside of rush hour, when students would need to get there from other schools to the north and south, not along Columbia pike. Last time I checked, not too many APS students commuting from culmore and the pentagon to the CC at rush hour.

APS already shuttled students. Not seeing the need for all of them to drive. I personally don't want all of those cars on Walter Reed, even if there is a garage.

Without adequate parking, it’ll become a de facto neighborhood school for people who live close by, whether that is APS intent or not. And it will sink Wakefield’s demographics.

Actually, the inadequate parking at Arlington Tech will keep Wakefield full.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So now according to rumors and that email from Gutshall it appears that the Arlington County Board and APS are trying to opt out of building the parking garage at the Career Center? Any ideas what this would do to the existing CTE courses? What about the viability of Arlington Tech, let alone whatever new option school they want to put there?

I saw in another post that a very large number of Arlington Tech students have already dropped out for a variety of unrelated reasons. But the more this school is built without the kinds of things that draw students to it and the more that it is perceived as a second rate school Arlington doesn't care about, the worse its going to get.

It kind of seems like Arlington is putting alot of money into what will be a failing school no one wants to teach at or attend. Maybe they should revisit even bothering with expanding there until they can establish a program people want to attend or can at least afford to build something desirable.

Can you post this email? If the garage gets dropped, hopefully, that area gets permit parking or there's a satellite lot.

The county is trying to force TDM on the site. They want to build no parking for staff, and won’t allow the neighborhood to zone. So basically, staff and nearby residents either battle it out for street parking, or maybe they can rent spaces in buildings somewhat nearby, including commercial buildings that have 0 incentive to give up the parking that’s keeping them afloat, because ain’t nobody riding the 16 to go out to dinner.

Anyway, everyone should know that the CC Principal and a student rep were on the team that designed the plaza concept. The county shill’s team put forward a concept that put CTE classroom space in a separate building from the main one and underground, against the wishes of instructional leaders, all under the future field, to block parking from ever being able to be built. It’s insane. This person is playing really fast and loose with her “memory” of events and conversations and even the what the architects have presented to the group or what items most everyone else agrees upon.

Good. I think the county should force TDM. I also think they should allow the neighborhood to have permits, pay for teacher parking nearby and force students to use others means as much as possible. Arlington is urban. We need to accept that. These aren't elementary students. I think they can get to school via public transit. Obviously, some will need to drive, but most won't. We should do TDM and get permits.

You think dozens of students can get to and from the CC to other schools, homes and places of work at various times during the weekday? You obviously don’t ride public transit yourself, at least not in that area. We may be “urban” but we don’t have the public transit to match.

So let's build a huge garage? Or... we could increase pubic transit.

So let’s do both. Build an underground garage that is metered.

Just so we’re clear, rich kids at Yorktown get free parking, but SA students can pay $4 a day to wait up to an hour for an ART bus every day. What am I missing?

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So 5 year olds can walk up to a mile to get to school (according to APS) but grown adult teachers can't walk 1/2 mile from their car? And plenty of people in this area don't get free parking right on site at their place of work. Doesn't anyone else here work in downtown DC? I realize there are better transit options downtown, but the vast majority of DC workers still drive every day. They just pay to park in garages near-ish their offices or get lucky and find a spot on the street.

tl/dr: Why is Gutshall's email a big deal?

1. This isn't a particularly centrally located area, it is no where near a metro. The bus rides up Columbia pike can be long and cumbersome with frequent stops. Bus service along Columbia Pike has been decreased. And the county/Army are about to rip up the road between the Pentagon and Columbia pike as part of the cemetery expansion. Bottom line commuting via public transportation will be too time consuming to be a viable option for many.

2. Many teacher and staff don't live in Arlington (can't afford to) and could not easily commute via public transportation even if they wanted to. We are talking teachers who live in Loudoun County, in Maryland, in Prince William County. These people don't want to add 20 -30 minutes to their day circling the neighborhood looking for parking and then walking to the school.
Teachers often have to carry lots of papers/heavy things back and forth between their class and their car.
Lack of dedicated parking impacts their willingness to work at specific schools. Lack of parking negatively impacts teacher retention and hiring. This has already been an issue at Fleet for the same reason.

3. Other Arlington schools do offer parking. So teachers can take a job at Fleet or the CCHS just to get in the door with APS and then request a transfer to another Arlington school that does offer parking. This imposes higher turnover rate, less experienced teachers and less teacher stability on the students of those schools compared to the rest of the County.

4. Substitute teachers are at a premium and won't work at schools that don't offer parking. Again this is already a problem at Fleet. What will the school do without a viable pool of subs. How will that impact student instruction.

5. There isn't alot of neighborhood parking and that particular neighborhood also has to absorb parking from Fleet which was purposely built under parked, TJ Middle School and TJ Community Center. The site in question is the Career Center High School, Montessori Elementary school and a County Library. There is not enough street parking in that neighborhood to absorb parking from 4 different schools and 2 different community buildings. So where will people go?

6. The entire concept of CTE requires kids to be able to get from their other school to the CCHS and then back to their home school during the day. Some parents have said that the bus schedule does not work to make the classes they want/need and they wait until their kids are driving age and able to go back and forth between the Career center and their home high school via their own transportation. Removing parking serves as a barrier to kids attending CTE classes.

7. Arlington Tech is hemorrhaging kids who cannot make their class schedule and busing work to get back to their home school for extra curricular, music, and sports. Some kids are willing to suck it up and stay until they are able to drive under the belief that it will be easier once they can drive. If the logistics of going to school there don't allow kids to participate in activities at their home school for the whole of their high school experience, less kids are going to volunteer to go to school there.

8. teachers and students could possible park in private garages for a fee. This imposes a cost on teachers and students only at that school vs. additional availability at other schools. Again students and teachers have the option to move elsewhere and will over something like an imposed extra cost.

The entire concept of the Career Center is based on the idea that over a thousand kids will willingly attend the school. If there is no parking, its hard to get to, you have no realistic access to sports, music, extracurricular because you can't actually get back to your home school, the teachers are constantly turning over, leaving for other schools, and unable to build up unique programs due to lack of continuity, who is going to go there??

If Arlington spends millions on a bet that 2,000 kids are willing to go there and they aren't, what happens? Who gets forced there? Or have we spent ridiculous amounts of money on a school that sits half empty with constant teacher turnover cause the county can't force anyone to attend/work there.

Please stop claiming its hard to get to the CC. That's a straight up lie. So many buses pass by this school and its 2 miles to the Pentagon or Ballston/Clarendon. In fact, I get from that stop to the Pentagon in less than 10 minutes. It will be even quicker coming the other way. If it's such a horrible site, we shouldn't be putting a school there.

Yeah. On a morning express bus. Try riding it outside of rush hour, when students would need to get there from other schools to the north and south, not along Columbia pike. Last time I checked, not too many APS students commuting from culmore and the pentagon to the CC at rush hour.

APS already shuttled students. Not seeing the need for all of them to drive. I personally don't want all of those cars on Walter Reed, even if there is a garage.

Without adequate parking, it’ll become a de facto neighborhood school for people who live close by, whether that is APS intent or not. And it will sink Wakefield’s demographics.

Actually, the inadequate parking at Arlington Tech will keep Wakefield full.

It’s not inadequate if you live in Arlington heights or penrose. You just walk there. And there goes Wakefield’s middle and upper middle class.

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Anonymous wrote:So now according to rumors and that email from Gutshall it appears that the Arlington County Board and APS are trying to opt out of building the parking garage at the Career Center? Any ideas what this would do to the existing CTE courses? What about the viability of Arlington Tech, let alone whatever new option school they want to put there?

I saw in another post that a very large number of Arlington Tech students have already dropped out for a variety of unrelated reasons. But the more this school is built without the kinds of things that draw students to it and the more that it is perceived as a second rate school Arlington doesn't care about, the worse its going to get.

It kind of seems like Arlington is putting alot of money into what will be a failing school no one wants to teach at or attend. Maybe they should revisit even bothering with expanding there until they can establish a program people want to attend or can at least afford to build something desirable.

Can you post this email? If the garage gets dropped, hopefully, that area gets permit parking or there's a satellite lot.

The county is trying to force TDM on the site. They want to build no parking for staff, and won’t allow the neighborhood to zone. So basically, staff and nearby residents either battle it out for street parking, or maybe they can rent spaces in buildings somewhat nearby, including commercial buildings that have 0 incentive to give up the parking that’s keeping them afloat, because ain’t nobody riding the 16 to go out to dinner.

Anyway, everyone should know that the CC Principal and a student rep were on the team that designed the plaza concept. The county shill’s team put forward a concept that put CTE classroom space in a separate building from the main one and underground, against the wishes of instructional leaders, all under the future field, to block parking from ever being able to be built. It’s insane. This person is playing really fast and loose with her “memory” of events and conversations and even the what the architects have presented to the group or what items most everyone else agrees upon.

Good. I think the county should force TDM. I also think they should allow the neighborhood to have permits, pay for teacher parking nearby and force students to use others means as much as possible. Arlington is urban. We need to accept that. These aren't elementary students. I think they can get to school via public transit. Obviously, some will need to drive, but most won't. We should do TDM and get permits.

You think dozens of students can get to and from the CC to other schools, homes and places of work at various times during the weekday? You obviously don’t ride public transit yourself, at least not in that area. We may be “urban” but we don’t have the public transit to match.

So let's build a huge garage? Or... we could increase pubic transit.

So let’s do both. Build an underground garage that is metered.

Just so we’re clear, rich kids at Yorktown get free parking, but SA students can pay $4 a day to wait up to an hour for an ART bus every day. What am I missing?

What? The CC is expanding for county-wide option programs. The additional kids that will go there will be from Yorktown and WL and Wakefield.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So now according to rumors and that email from Gutshall it appears that the Arlington County Board and APS are trying to opt out of building the parking garage at the Career Center? Any ideas what this would do to the existing CTE courses? What about the viability of Arlington Tech, let alone whatever new option school they want to put there?

I saw in another post that a very large number of Arlington Tech students have already dropped out for a variety of unrelated reasons. But the more this school is built without the kinds of things that draw students to it and the more that it is perceived as a second rate school Arlington doesn't care about, the worse its going to get.

It kind of seems like Arlington is putting alot of money into what will be a failing school no one wants to teach at or attend. Maybe they should revisit even bothering with expanding there until they can establish a program people want to attend or can at least afford to build something desirable.

Can you post this email? If the garage gets dropped, hopefully, that area gets permit parking or there's a satellite lot.

The county is trying to force TDM on the site. They want to build no parking for staff, and won’t allow the neighborhood to zone. So basically, staff and nearby residents either battle it out for street parking, or maybe they can rent spaces in buildings somewhat nearby, including commercial buildings that have 0 incentive to give up the parking that’s keeping them afloat, because ain’t nobody riding the 16 to go out to dinner.

Anyway, everyone should know that the CC Principal and a student rep were on the team that designed the plaza concept. The county shill’s team put forward a concept that put CTE classroom space in a separate building from the main one and underground, against the wishes of instructional leaders, all under the future field, to block parking from ever being able to be built. It’s insane. This person is playing really fast and loose with her “memory” of events and conversations and even the what the architects have presented to the group or what items most everyone else agrees upon.

Good. I think the county should force TDM. I also think they should allow the neighborhood to have permits, pay for teacher parking nearby and force students to use others means as much as possible. Arlington is urban. We need to accept that. These aren't elementary students. I think they can get to school via public transit. Obviously, some will need to drive, but most won't. We should do TDM and get permits.

You think dozens of students can get to and from the CC to other schools, homes and places of work at various times during the weekday? You obviously don’t ride public transit yourself, at least not in that area. We may be “urban” but we don’t have the public transit to match.

So let's build a huge garage? Or... we could increase pubic transit.

So let’s do both. Build an underground garage that is metered.

Just so we’re clear, rich kids at Yorktown get free parking, but SA students can pay $4 a day to wait up to an hour for an ART bus every day. What am I missing?

If it were up to me, none of these schools would have student parking. We'd turn those garages and lots into buildings instead of cramming students into the CC. We'd drop football for more school. We need to think long term instead of whether or not someone in Penrose has to look at a kid's car from their Ring doorbell while their at work.

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Anonymous wrote:So now according to rumors and that email from Gutshall it appears that the Arlington County Board and APS are trying to opt out of building the parking garage at the Career Center? Any ideas what this would do to the existing CTE courses? What about the viability of Arlington Tech, let alone whatever new option school they want to put there?

I saw in another post that a very large number of Arlington Tech students have already dropped out for a variety of unrelated reasons. But the more this school is built without the kinds of things that draw students to it and the more that it is perceived as a second rate school Arlington doesn't care about, the worse its going to get.

It kind of seems like Arlington is putting alot of money into what will be a failing school no one wants to teach at or attend. Maybe they should revisit even bothering with expanding there until they can establish a program people want to attend or can at least afford to build something desirable.

Can you post this email? If the garage gets dropped, hopefully, that area gets permit parking or there's a satellite lot.

The county is trying to force TDM on the site. They want to build no parking for staff, and won’t allow the neighborhood to zone. So basically, staff and nearby residents either battle it out for street parking, or maybe they can rent spaces in buildings somewhat nearby, including commercial buildings that have 0 incentive to give up the parking that’s keeping them afloat, because ain’t nobody riding the 16 to go out to dinner.

Anyway, everyone should know that the CC Principal and a student rep were on the team that designed the plaza concept. The county shill’s team put forward a concept that put CTE classroom space in a separate building from the main one and underground, against the wishes of instructional leaders, all under the future field, to block parking from ever being able to be built. It’s insane. This person is playing really fast and loose with her “memory” of events and conversations and even the what the architects have presented to the group or what items most everyone else agrees upon.

Good. I think the county should force TDM. I also think they should allow the neighborhood to have permits, pay for teacher parking nearby and force students to use others means as much as possible. Arlington is urban. We need to accept that. These aren't elementary students. I think they can get to school via public transit. Obviously, some will need to drive, but most won't. We should do TDM and get permits.

You think dozens of students can get to and from the CC to other schools, homes and places of work at various times during the weekday? You obviously don’t ride public transit yourself, at least not in that area. We may be “urban” but we don’t have the public transit to match.

So let's build a huge garage? Or... we could increase pubic transit.

So let’s do both. Build an underground garage that is metered.

Just so we’re clear, rich kids at Yorktown get free parking, but SA students can pay $4 a day to wait up to an hour for an ART bus every day. What am I missing?

What? The CC is expanding for county-wide option programs. The additional kids that will go there will be from Yorktown and WL and Wakefield.

Dude, no one from Yorktown is going to the CC. Just like almost no one from that pyramid attends an option elementary.

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Anonymous wrote:So now according to rumors and that email from Gutshall it appears that the Arlington County Board and APS are trying to opt out of building the parking garage at the Career Center? Any ideas what this would do to the existing CTE courses? What about the viability of Arlington Tech, let alone whatever new option school they want to put there?

I saw in another post that a very large number of Arlington Tech students have already dropped out for a variety of unrelated reasons. But the more this school is built without the kinds of things that draw students to it and the more that it is perceived as a second rate school Arlington doesn't care about, the worse its going to get.

It kind of seems like Arlington is putting alot of money into what will be a failing school no one wants to teach at or attend. Maybe they should revisit even bothering with expanding there until they can establish a program people want to attend or can at least afford to build something desirable.

Can you post this email? If the garage gets dropped, hopefully, that area gets permit parking or there's a satellite lot.

The county is trying to force TDM on the site. They want to build no parking for staff, and won’t allow the neighborhood to zone. So basically, staff and nearby residents either battle it out for street parking, or maybe they can rent spaces in buildings somewhat nearby, including commercial buildings that have 0 incentive to give up the parking that’s keeping them afloat, because ain’t nobody riding the 16 to go out to dinner.

Anyway, everyone should know that the CC Principal and a student rep were on the team that designed the plaza concept. The county shill’s team put forward a concept that put CTE classroom space in a separate building from the main one and underground, against the wishes of instructional leaders, all under the future field, to block parking from ever being able to be built. It’s insane. This person is playing really fast and loose with her “memory” of events and conversations and even the what the architects have presented to the group or what items most everyone else agrees upon.

Good. I think the county should force TDM. I also think they should allow the neighborhood to have permits, pay for teacher parking nearby and force students to use others means as much as possible. Arlington is urban. We need to accept that. These aren't elementary students. I think they can get to school via public transit. Obviously, some will need to drive, but most won't. We should do TDM and get permits.

You think dozens of students can get to and from the CC to other schools, homes and places of work at various times during the weekday? You obviously don’t ride public transit yourself, at least not in that area. We may be “urban” but we don’t have the public transit to match.

So let's build a huge garage? Or... we could increase pubic transit.

So let’s do both. Build an underground garage that is metered.

Just so we’re clear, rich kids at Yorktown get free parking, but SA students can pay $4 a day to wait up to an hour for an ART bus every day. What am I missing?

What? The CC is expanding for county-wide option programs. The additional kids that will go there will be from Yorktown and WL and Wakefield.

Also, I love when people who’ve clearly never actually ridden an ART bus chime in on things like the wait times. An hour?? Sure.

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Anonymous wrote:So now according to rumors and that email from Gutshall it appears that the Arlington County Board and APS are trying to opt out of building the parking garage at the Career Center? Any ideas what this would do to the existing CTE courses? What about the viability of Arlington Tech, let alone whatever new option school they want to put there?

I saw in another post that a very large number of Arlington Tech students have already dropped out for a variety of unrelated reasons. But the more this school is built without the kinds of things that draw students to it and the more that it is perceived as a second rate school Arlington doesn't care about, the worse its going to get.

It kind of seems like Arlington is putting alot of money into what will be a failing school no one wants to teach at or attend. Maybe they should revisit even bothering with expanding there until they can establish a program people want to attend or can at least afford to build something desirable.

Can you post this email? If the garage gets dropped, hopefully, that area gets permit parking or there's a satellite lot.

The county is trying to force TDM on the site. They want to build no parking for staff, and won’t allow the neighborhood to zone. So basically, staff and nearby residents either battle it out for street parking, or maybe they can rent spaces in buildings somewhat nearby, including commercial buildings that have 0 incentive to give up the parking that’s keeping them afloat, because ain’t nobody riding the 16 to go out to dinner.

Anyway, everyone should know that the CC Principal and a student rep were on the team that designed the plaza concept. The county shill’s team put forward a concept that put CTE classroom space in a separate building from the main one and underground, against the wishes of instructional leaders, all under the future field, to block parking from ever being able to be built. It’s insane. This person is playing really fast and loose with her “memory” of events and conversations and even the what the architects have presented to the group or what items most everyone else agrees upon.

Good. I think the county should force TDM. I also think they should allow the neighborhood to have permits, pay for teacher parking nearby and force students to use others means as much as possible. Arlington is urban. We need to accept that. These aren't elementary students. I think they can get to school via public transit. Obviously, some will need to drive, but most won't. We should do TDM and get permits.

You think dozens of students can get to and from the CC to other schools, homes and places of work at various times during the weekday? You obviously don’t ride public transit yourself, at least not in that area. We may be “urban” but we don’t have the public transit to match.

So let's build a huge garage? Or... we could increase pubic transit.

So let’s do both. Build an underground garage that is metered.

Just so we’re clear, rich kids at Yorktown get free parking, but SA students can pay $4 a day to wait up to an hour for an ART bus every day. What am I missing?

If it were up to me, none of these schools would have student parking. We'd turn those garages and lots into buildings instead of cramming students into the CC. We'd drop football for more school. We need to think long term instead of whether or not someone in Penrose has to look at a kid's car from their Ring doorbell while their at work.

Works for me. Funny thing is, only the CC gets the honor of being so progressive. Not WL. Not Yorktown. Gee, I wonder why

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Anonymous wrote:So now according to rumors and that email from Gutshall it appears that the Arlington County Board and APS are trying to opt out of building the parking garage at the Career Center? Any ideas what this would do to the existing CTE courses? What about the viability of Arlington Tech, let alone whatever new option school they want to put there?

I saw in another post that a very large number of Arlington Tech students have already dropped out for a variety of unrelated reasons. But the more this school is built without the kinds of things that draw students to it and the more that it is perceived as a second rate school Arlington doesn't care about, the worse its going to get.

It kind of seems like Arlington is putting alot of money into what will be a failing school no one wants to teach at or attend. Maybe they should revisit even bothering with expanding there until they can establish a program people want to attend or can at least afford to build something desirable.

Can you post this email? If the garage gets dropped, hopefully, that area gets permit parking or there's a satellite lot.

The county is trying to force TDM on the site. They want to build no parking for staff, and won’t allow the neighborhood to zone. So basically, staff and nearby residents either battle it out for street parking, or maybe they can rent spaces in buildings somewhat nearby, including commercial buildings that have 0 incentive to give up the parking that’s keeping them afloat, because ain’t nobody riding the 16 to go out to dinner.

Anyway, everyone should know that the CC Principal and a student rep were on the team that designed the plaza concept. The county shill’s team put forward a concept that put CTE classroom space in a separate building from the main one and underground, against the wishes of instructional leaders, all under the future field, to block parking from ever being able to be built. It’s insane. This person is playing really fast and loose with her “memory” of events and conversations and even the what the architects have presented to the group or what items most everyone else agrees upon.

Good. I think the county should force TDM. I also think they should allow the neighborhood to have permits, pay for teacher parking nearby and force students to use others means as much as possible. Arlington is urban. We need to accept that. These aren't elementary students. I think they can get to school via public transit. Obviously, some will need to drive, but most won't. We should do TDM and get permits.

You think dozens of students can get to and from the CC to other schools, homes and places of work at various times during the weekday? You obviously don’t ride public transit yourself, at least not in that area. We may be “urban” but we don’t have the public transit to match.

So let's build a huge garage? Or... we could increase pubic transit.

So let’s do both. Build an underground garage that is metered.

Just so we’re clear, rich kids at Yorktown get free parking, but SA students can pay $4 a day to wait up to an hour for an ART bus every day. What am I missing?

What? The CC is expanding for county-wide option programs. The additional kids that will go there will be from Yorktown and WL and Wakefield.

Also, I love when people who’ve clearly never actually ridden an ART bus chime in on things like the wait times. An hour?? Sure.

Art buses come on the half hour, or are supposed to. People ride the bus twice a day. I’m being charitable. Anyone who rides at rush hour knows that they usually come 15 mins late, especially the 77 that serves the CC. You’re talking to a local.

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Anonymous wrote:So now according to rumors and that email from Gutshall it appears that the Arlington County Board and APS are trying to opt out of building the parking garage at the Career Center? Any ideas what this would do to the existing CTE courses? What about the viability of Arlington Tech, let alone whatever new option school they want to put there?

I saw in another post that a very large number of Arlington Tech students have already dropped out for a variety of unrelated reasons. But the more this school is built without the kinds of things that draw students to it and the more that it is perceived as a second rate school Arlington doesn't care about, the worse its going to get.

It kind of seems like Arlington is putting alot of money into what will be a failing school no one wants to teach at or attend. Maybe they should revisit even bothering with expanding there until they can establish a program people want to attend or can at least afford to build something desirable.

Can you post this email? If the garage gets dropped, hopefully, that area gets permit parking or there's a satellite lot.

The county is trying to force TDM on the site. They want to build no parking for staff, and won’t allow the neighborhood to zone. So basically, staff and nearby residents either battle it out for street parking, or maybe they can rent spaces in buildings somewhat nearby, including commercial buildings that have 0 incentive to give up the parking that’s keeping them afloat, because ain’t nobody riding the 16 to go out to dinner.

Anyway, everyone should know that the CC Principal and a student rep were on the team that designed the plaza concept. The county shill’s team put forward a concept that put CTE classroom space in a separate building from the main one and underground, against the wishes of instructional leaders, all under the future field, to block parking from ever being able to be built. It’s insane. This person is playing really fast and loose with her “memory” of events and conversations and even the what the architects have presented to the group or what items most everyone else agrees upon.

Good. I think the county should force TDM. I also think they should allow the neighborhood to have permits, pay for teacher parking nearby and force students to use others means as much as possible. Arlington is urban. We need to accept that. These aren't elementary students. I think they can get to school via public transit. Obviously, some will need to drive, but most won't. We should do TDM and get permits.

You think dozens of students can get to and from the CC to other schools, homes and places of work at various times during the weekday? You obviously don’t ride public transit yourself, at least not in that area. We may be “urban” but we don’t have the public transit to match.

So let's build a huge garage? Or... we could increase pubic transit.

So let’s do both. Build an underground garage that is metered.

Just so we’re clear, rich kids at Yorktown get free parking, but SA students can pay $4 a day to wait up to an hour for an ART bus every day. What am I missing?

What? The CC is expanding for county-wide option programs. The additional kids that will go there will be from Yorktown and WL and Wakefield.

Also, I love when people who’ve clearly never actually ridden an ART bus chime in on things like the wait times. An hour?? Sure.

Art buses come on the half hour, or are supposed to. People ride the bus twice a day. I’m being charitable. Anyone who rides at rush hour knows that they usually come 15 mins late, especially the 77 that serves the CC. You’re talking to a local.

I’m a local too. I ride the 41, which also serves this area. It comes every 10-15 minutes. I frequently have to wait just a few minutes.

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You guys know the WMATA website gives you transit times right? Its about 60 minutes to get from Yorktown to the CC via public trans during the middle of the day. 30 minutes from W&L to the Career Center and 40 minutes from Wakefield.

Maybe thats workable for students, maybe not. I do know if I'm a teacher I'm not sacrificing 1 to 2 extra hours a day commuting there via public trans so that Arlington can save a few bucks on a parking garage. I'd take a pay cut to teach somewhere more convenient.

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Anonymous wrote:You guys know the WMATA website gives you transit times right? Its about 60 minutes to get from Yorktown to the CC via public trans during the middle of the day. 30 minutes from W&L to the Career Center and 40 minutes from Wakefield.

Maybe thats workable for students, maybe not. I do know if I'm a teacher I'm not sacrificing 1 to 2 extra hours a day commuting there via public trans so that Arlington can save a few bucks on a parking garage. I'd take a pay cut to teach somewhere more convenient.

To the extent this conversation is about students, it’s absurd. Students get a bus to option schools. And students who go during the day for programs likewise get a bus or shuttle. No student at this school will have to take public transportation in order to attend.