APS - First Career Center Concept

[Anonymous]

I never understood why they don't also take over the Patrick Henry ES/Montessori land for all of this.

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From the 2019-12-18 meeting: https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/19...8-BLPCPFRC-Meeting_7_Final.pdf



The concept seems to include a below-grade parking garage with entrance off of Highland St. There is no pool, but another slide indicates the Plaza can be used for future expansion. There are a few more images on the slides.


These renderings of a modern, architecturally interesting and light filled campus will make the surrounding wealthy neighborhoods lick their chops and forget all about the pool. Poor Wakefield.


Oh yeah, those wealthy duplex owners on Highland and taxi drivers in the Fillmore are just eating this up!


Cmon dude, are you really trying to portray Arlington Heights as a blue collar neighborhood? Even those duplexes go for a half mil. Most of AH and Penrose is SFH over 700k. It’s barely SA anymore.

Man does SA brings up such weird class issue. Ok course 500K for a small house is blue collar in a place where old houses regularly go for over a million and new builds over 1.5 - 2mil.

And what does barely SA anymore even mean? There seems to be this pervasive idea that all of SA is required to be poor, blue collar, and brown because thats what it was in the 60s or whatever. Nevermind the racist housing policies that influenced that.

PP here. I live in south Arlington. I’m saying AH is basically NA now. Because it is. It’s nowhere near blue collar, relatively speaking or not.

[Anonymous]

Fleet is 30% poverty, and Fleet pretty much = AH + Penrose. So that's the "rich" surrounding neighborhoods you reference. It's better than Barcroft (62%) and Abingdon (45%), yes, but not as rich as Oakridge (23%) and clearly not a McKinley (9%) or a Nottingham (4%) or Tuckahoe (2%). Everything is relative.

In fact, 30% is pretty much our system wide average. So these neighborhoods are average for Arlington.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Fleet is 30% poverty, and Fleet pretty much = AH + Penrose. So that's the "rich" surrounding neighborhoods you reference. It's better than Barcroft (62%) and Abingdon (45%), yes, but not as rich as Oakridge (23%) and clearly not a McKinley (9%) or a Nottingham (4%) or Tuckahoe (2%). Everything is relative.

In fact, 30% is pretty much our system wide average. So these neighborhoods are average for Arlington.

We both know what’s behind that average, which is wealthy SFH owners, and a smaller number of apartments. Fleet has to reach into alcove heights to pick up Gilliam (it’s only CAF) and Fillmore gardens is an 80 percent mark with nothing bigger than a 2 bedroom.

Anyway, my point was not to argue about whether AH is rich, there’s no pretending it’s not — just look at Redfin. My point is that these renderings are nice, the CC will be a tempting choice for both that and proximity. And once a critical mass of families in AH and Penrose decide to option in to a brand new building a block or two away, it’ll gather momentum. As a result, Wakefield’s poverty rate will rise and that will further encourage people to option into the CC. This is pretty much inevitable I think. Arlington is divided by north south, but south Arlington is divided too, primarily but not exclusively by east west. If you have one high school in the eastern part and one in the west, you’re going to get a poor school and a rich school. It doesn’t matter if one is option or not.

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Anonymous wrote:Fleet is 30% poverty, and Fleet pretty much = AH + Penrose. So that's the "rich" surrounding neighborhoods you reference. It's better than Barcroft (62%) and Abingdon (45%), yes, but not as rich as Oakridge (23%) and clearly not a McKinley (9%) or a Nottingham (4%) or Tuckahoe (2%). Everything is relative.

In fact, 30% is pretty much our system wide average. So these neighborhoods are average for Arlington.

We both know what’s behind that average, which is wealthy SFH owners, and a smaller number of apartments. Fleet has to reach into alcove heights to pick up Gilliam (it’s only CAF) and Fillmore gardens is an 80 percent mark with nothing bigger than a 2 bedroom.

Anyway, my point was not to argue about whether AH is rich, there’s no pretending it’s not — just look at Redfin. My point is that these renderings are nice, the CC will be a tempting choice for both that and proximity. And once a critical mass of families in AH and Penrose decide to option in to a brand new building a block or two away, it’ll gather momentum. As a result, Wakefield’s poverty rate will rise and that will further encourage people to option into the CC. This is pretty much inevitable I think. Arlington is divided by north south, but south Arlington is divided too, primarily but not exclusively by east west. If you have one high school in the eastern part and one in the west, you’re going to get a poor school and a rich school. It doesn’t matter if one is option or not.

What’s your solution, PP? Not build a HS in that area? It seems like you or you plus others post often about the possibility of Wakefield tanking after the CC is built, but I never hear what your preferred outcome would be.

[Anonymous]

+1 on above. What solution are you after? This situation is even worse if they make it a neighborhood school. They are building it, it's an option school for now. The nicer option they make it, the more truly county-wide interest we will see. All options schools pull more from their surrounding neighborhoods.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:+1 on above. What solution are you after? This situation is even worse if they make it a neighborhood school. They are building it, it's an option school for now. The nicer option they make it, the more truly county-wide interest we will see. All options schools pull more from their surrounding neighborhoods.

^^^ This. I hope it’s beautiful and awesome so families from across the county want to send their. If they do, it won’t be a de facto neighborhood school for SE Arlington and affect only the demographics of Wakefield.

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Anonymous wrote:Fleet is 30% poverty, and Fleet pretty much = AH + Penrose. So that's the "rich" surrounding neighborhoods you reference. It's better than Barcroft (62%) and Abingdon (45%), yes, but not as rich as Oakridge (23%) and clearly not a McKinley (9%) or a Nottingham (4%) or Tuckahoe (2%). Everything is relative.

In fact, 30% is pretty much our system wide average. So these neighborhoods are average for Arlington.

We both know what’s behind that average, which is wealthy SFH owners, and a smaller number of apartments. Fleet has to reach into alcove heights to pick up Gilliam (it’s only CAF) and Fillmore gardens is an 80 percent mark with nothing bigger than a 2 bedroom.

Anyway, my point was not to argue about whether AH is rich, there’s no pretending it’s not — just look at Redfin. My point is that these renderings are nice, the CC will be a tempting choice for both that and proximity. And once a critical mass of families in AH and Penrose decide to option in to a brand new building a block or two away, it’ll gather momentum. As a result, Wakefield’s poverty rate will rise and that will further encourage people to option into the CC. This is pretty much inevitable I think. Arlington is divided by north south, but south Arlington is divided too, primarily but not exclusively by east west. If you have one high school in the eastern part and one in the west, you’re going to get a poor school and a rich school. It doesn’t matter if one is option or not.

What’s your solution, PP? Not build a HS in that area? It seems like you or you plus others post often about the possibility of Wakefield tanking after the CC is built, but I never hear what your preferred outcome would be.

DP - a high school should be built at the Kenmore site. Better boundaries can be established for better balancing demographics.

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Anonymous wrote:Fleet is 30% poverty, and Fleet pretty much = AH + Penrose. So that's the "rich" surrounding neighborhoods you reference. It's better than Barcroft (62%) and Abingdon (45%), yes, but not as rich as Oakridge (23%) and clearly not a McKinley (9%) or a Nottingham (4%) or Tuckahoe (2%). Everything is relative.

In fact, 30% is pretty much our system wide average. So these neighborhoods are average for Arlington.

We both know what’s behind that average, which is wealthy SFH owners, and a smaller number of apartments. Fleet has to reach into alcove heights to pick up Gilliam (it’s only CAF) and Fillmore gardens is an 80 percent mark with nothing bigger than a 2 bedroom.

Anyway, my point was not to argue about whether AH is rich, there’s no pretending it’s not — just look at Redfin. My point is that these renderings are nice, the CC will be a tempting choice for both that and proximity. And once a critical mass of families in AH and Penrose decide to option in to a brand new building a block or two away, it’ll gather momentum. As a result, Wakefield’s poverty rate will rise and that will further encourage people to option into the CC. This is pretty much inevitable I think. Arlington is divided by north south, but south Arlington is divided too, primarily but not exclusively by east west. If you have one high school in the eastern part and one in the west, you’re going to get a poor school and a rich school. It doesn’t matter if one is option or not.

What’s your solution, PP? Not build a HS in that area? It seems like you or you plus others post often about the possibility of Wakefield tanking after the CC is built, but I never hear what your preferred outcome would be.

DP - a high school should be built at the Kenmore site. Better boundaries can be established for better balancing demographics.

Agree 100%

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Anonymous wrote:Fleet is 30% poverty, and Fleet pretty much = AH + Penrose. So that's the "rich" surrounding neighborhoods you reference. It's better than Barcroft (62%) and Abingdon (45%), yes, but not as rich as Oakridge (23%) and clearly not a McKinley (9%) or a Nottingham (4%) or Tuckahoe (2%). Everything is relative.

In fact, 30% is pretty much our system wide average. So these neighborhoods are average for Arlington.

We both know what’s behind that average, which is wealthy SFH owners, and a smaller number of apartments. Fleet has to reach into alcove heights to pick up Gilliam (it’s only CAF) and Fillmore gardens is an 80 percent mark with nothing bigger than a 2 bedroom.

Anyway, my point was not to argue about whether AH is rich, there’s no pretending it’s not — just look at Redfin. My point is that these renderings are nice, the CC will be a tempting choice for both that and proximity. And once a critical mass of families in AH and Penrose decide to option in to a brand new building a block or two away, it’ll gather momentum. As a result, Wakefield’s poverty rate will rise and that will further encourage people to option into the CC. This is pretty much inevitable I think. Arlington is divided by north south, but south Arlington is divided too, primarily but not exclusively by east west. If you have one high school in the eastern part and one in the west, you’re going to get a poor school and a rich school. It doesn’t matter if one is option or not.

What’s your solution, PP? Not build a HS in that area? It seems like you or you plus others post often about the possibility of Wakefield tanking after the CC is built, but I never hear what your preferred outcome would be.

DP - a high school should be built at the Kenmore site. Better boundaries can be established for better balancing demographics.

Agree 100%

Agree but didn't APS reject that idea three years ago? Is it back on the table or is this just wishful thinking?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Fleet is 30% poverty, and Fleet pretty much = AH + Penrose. So that's the "rich" surrounding neighborhoods you reference. It's better than Barcroft (62%) and Abingdon (45%), yes, but not as rich as Oakridge (23%) and clearly not a McKinley (9%) or a Nottingham (4%) or Tuckahoe (2%). Everything is relative.

In fact, 30% is pretty much our system wide average. So these neighborhoods are average for Arlington.

We both know what’s behind that average, which is wealthy SFH owners, and a smaller number of apartments. Fleet has to reach into alcove heights to pick up Gilliam (it’s only CAF) and Fillmore gardens is an 80 percent mark with nothing bigger than a 2 bedroom.

Anyway, my point was not to argue about whether AH is rich, there’s no pretending it’s not — just look at Redfin. My point is that these renderings are nice, the CC will be a tempting choice for both that and proximity. And once a critical mass of families in AH and Penrose decide to option in to a brand new building a block or two away, it’ll gather momentum. As a result, Wakefield’s poverty rate will rise and that will further encourage people to option into the CC. This is pretty much inevitable I think. Arlington is divided by north south, but south Arlington is divided too, primarily but not exclusively by east west. If you have one high school in the eastern part and one in the west, you’re going to get a poor school and a rich school. It doesn’t matter if one is option or not.

What’s your solution, PP? Not build a HS in that area? It seems like you or you plus others post often about the possibility of Wakefield tanking after the CC is built, but I never hear what your preferred outcome would be.

DP - a high school should be built at the Kenmore site. Better boundaries can be established for better balancing demographics.

Agree 100%

Agree but didn't APS reject that idea three years ago? Is it back on the table or is this just wishful thinking?

The community needs to push it back onto the table - before they get to phase II of the Career Center; and before they decide to put something else there instead.

[Anonymous]

We will probably need both ultimately.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We will probably need both ultimately.

Not necessarily as full-sized neighborhood schools. But Arlington Tech AND the CTE programs at the site can - and should - grow bigger. Problem is, School Board is going to deal with all of this by moving to a choice high school (and probably likely middle, at some point) system, giving each high school a different specialty. So kids either need to know what their particular talent/interest/future career choice is by 5th grade, or their parents will need to choose for them, or a lot of kids aren't going to get the focus they really should have.

[Anonymous]

Thanks for posting. Design looks amazing! When will this all come online?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Fleet is 30% poverty, and Fleet pretty much = AH + Penrose. So that's the "rich" surrounding neighborhoods you reference. It's better than Barcroft (62%) and Abingdon (45%), yes, but not as rich as Oakridge (23%) and clearly not a McKinley (9%) or a Nottingham (4%) or Tuckahoe (2%). Everything is relative.

In fact, 30% is pretty much our system wide average. So these neighborhoods are average for Arlington.

We both know what’s behind that average, which is wealthy SFH owners, and a smaller number of apartments. Fleet has to reach into alcove heights to pick up Gilliam (it’s only CAF) and Fillmore gardens is an 80 percent mark with nothing bigger than a 2 bedroom.

Anyway, my point was not to argue about whether AH is rich, there’s no pretending it’s not — just look at Redfin. My point is that these renderings are nice, the CC will be a tempting choice for both that and proximity. And once a critical mass of families in AH and Penrose decide to option in to a brand new building a block or two away, it’ll gather momentum. As a result, Wakefield’s poverty rate will rise and that will further encourage people to option into the CC. This is pretty much inevitable I think. Arlington is divided by north south, but south Arlington is divided too, primarily but not exclusively by east west. If you have one high school in the eastern part and one in the west, you’re going to get a poor school and a rich school. It doesn’t matter if one is option or not.

What’s your solution, PP? Not build a HS in that area? It seems like you or you plus others post often about the possibility of Wakefield tanking after the CC is built, but I never hear what your preferred outcome would be.

DP - a high school should be built at the Kenmore site. Better boundaries can be established for better balancing demographics.

Agree 100%

Agree but didn't APS reject that idea three years ago? Is it back on the table or is this just wishful thinking?

The community needs to push it back onto the table - before they get to phase II of the Career Center; and before they decide to put something else there instead.

I think one of the reasons Kenmore was dropped was because UMC families then recoiled at the idea of that becoming a high school that would draw from the north. Arlington Heights gamely suggested they supported a bigger program at the CC, provided it was an option until it had comparable facilities to the comprehensive HSs. CC is far enough into the south that people think they'll never have to go there from the north.

I live near there and I personally thought the idea was stupid to invite APS to build what could potentially a huge school on the smallest parcel of land, but maybe it will turn out fine. I suspect it will never have a pool so long as Montessori or the Community HS is there.