Shepherd Park Deal Feed

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wilson is currently 38% OOB. I wonder whether ending OOB might be more acceptable to people than zoning schools out. OOB rights have only been in place since 2009, and DCPS has had increases in enrollment since then. I'd be fine with OOB having a preference, but not a right, to attend feeder schools. If there was significant grandfathering in place (e.g., 3-5 years), hopefully that would be palatable for most people.

That's already happening. It was closer to 50% very recently. The OOB numbers at Wilson elementary and MS feeders is plummeting. It will just take a few years for that to hit Wilson. Curtailing OOB rights isn't a viable long term solution. (Of course, some of the OOB students are in special needs programs and self-contained classrooms that are not going away - so the number will never be zero).

And DCPS auditors need to double down on ferreting out fraudster families who really live in Maryland but claim a DC address to send their kids to DC public and charter schools. Some estimates are that at least 10 percent of Deal and Wilson students in fact live in Maryland. If DC addresses residency fraud and removes fraudulently enrolled students, then it would relieve some overcrowding pressure and ensure that more actual DC residents can go to these schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wilson is currently 38% OOB. I wonder whether ending OOB might be more acceptable to people than zoning schools out. OOB rights have only been in place since 2009, and DCPS has had increases in enrollment since then. I'd be fine with OOB having a preference, but not a right, to attend feeder schools. If there was significant grandfathering in place (e.g., 3-5 years), hopefully that would be palatable for most people.

That's already happening. It was closer to 50% very recently. The OOB numbers at Wilson elementary and MS feeders is plummeting. It will just take a few years for that to hit Wilson. Curtailing OOB rights isn't a viable long term solution. (Of course, some of the OOB students are in special needs programs and self-contained classrooms that are not going away - so the number will never be zero).

And DCPS auditors need to double down on ferreting out fraudster families who really live in Maryland but claim a DC address to send their kids to DC public and charter schools. Some estimates are that at least 10 percent of Deal and Wilson students in fact live in Maryland. If DC addresses residency fraud and removes fraudulently enrolled students, then it would relieve some overcrowding pressure and ensure that more actual DC residents can go to these schools.

What's the source for this estimate?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wilson is currently 38% OOB. I wonder whether ending OOB might be more acceptable to people than zoning schools out. OOB rights have only been in place since 2009, and DCPS has had increases in enrollment since then. I'd be fine with OOB having a preference, but not a right, to attend feeder schools. If there was significant grandfathering in place (e.g., 3-5 years), hopefully that would be palatable for most people.

That's already happening. It was closer to 50% very recently. The OOB numbers at Wilson elementary and MS feeders is plummeting. It will just take a few years for that to hit Wilson. Curtailing OOB rights isn't a viable long term solution. (Of course, some of the OOB students are in special needs programs and self-contained classrooms that are not going away - so the number will never be zero).

And DCPS auditors need to double down on ferreting out fraudster families who really live in Maryland but claim a DC address to send their kids to DC public and charter schools. Some estimates are that at least 10 percent of Deal and Wilson students in fact live in Maryland. If DC addresses residency fraud and removes fraudulently enrolled students, then it would relieve some overcrowding pressure and ensure that more actual DC residents can go to these schools.

What's the source for this estimate?

"My people tell me..."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bowser won't be mayor forever, and the Green Team bench is finally thin (thank god). Todd has no chance of following her into office -- he's a cretin -- and very well could get voted off the Council next election.

Once Bowser is gone, all bets are off with regards to this issue.

I think you're overlooking the number of politically well connected UMC AA folks in the neighborhood. DC politics has deep roots in SP, and it's not going anywhere without an ugly fight.

Yeah, it's not just the mayor. Someone posted this recently on the SP listserv, in the context of a discussion of gentrification (someone argued that SP was being gentrified, and the below poster disagreed):

"Please remember that Shepherd Park is/was home to two presidents of Howard University, the Secretary of HUD and HHS, a Fed governor, a Pulitzer Prize Washington Post columnist, the first female mayor of the District of Columbia, a US Marine Corp general, the civil rights attorney for whom the municipal office building at 14th. & U is named, the Executive Director of the regional transit authority, the head of the Smithsonian and more medical doctors, attorneys and judges can one can count, ALL of whom were/are Black."

A secretary of HUD. Well, there you go.

I think these are mostly individuals who've lived in SP in the past, not currently. For example, I know the house former mayor Sharon Pratt lived in, and it's currently owned by someone else.

I think the gentleman that wrote that was referring to Bowser and forgot about Pratt. Others are current.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wilson is currently 38% OOB. I wonder whether ending OOB might be more acceptable to people than zoning schools out. OOB rights have only been in place since 2009, and DCPS has had increases in enrollment since then. I'd be fine with OOB having a preference, but not a right, to attend feeder schools. If there was significant grandfathering in place (e.g., 3-5 years), hopefully that would be palatable for most people.

That's already happening. It was closer to 50% very recently. The OOB numbers at Wilson elementary and MS feeders is plummeting. It will just take a few years for that to hit Wilson. Curtailing OOB rights isn't a viable long term solution. (Of course, some of the OOB students are in special needs programs and self-contained classrooms that are not going away - so the number will never be zero).

And DCPS auditors need to double down on ferreting out fraudster families who really live in Maryland but claim a DC address to send their kids to DC public and charter schools. Some estimates are that at least 10 percent of Deal and Wilson students in fact live in Maryland. If DC addresses residency fraud and removes fraudulently enrolled students, then it would relieve some overcrowding pressure and ensure that more actual DC residents can go to these schools.

What's the source for this estimate?

PP’s a$$.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bowser won't be mayor forever, and the Green Team bench is finally thin (thank god). Todd has no chance of following her into office -- he's a cretin -- and very well could get voted off the Council next election.

Once Bowser is gone, all bets are off with regards to this issue.

I think you're overlooking the number of politically well connected UMC AA folks in the neighborhood. DC politics has deep roots in SP, and it's not going anywhere without an ugly fight.

Yeah, it's not just the mayor. Someone posted this recently on the SP listserv, in the context of a discussion of gentrification (someone argued that SP was being gentrified, and the below poster disagreed):

"Please remember that Shepherd Park is/was home to two presidents of Howard University, the Secretary of HUD and HHS, a Fed governor, a Pulitzer Prize Washington Post columnist, the first female mayor of the District of Columbia, a US Marine Corp general, the civil rights attorney for whom the municipal office building at 14th. & U is named, the Executive Director of the regional transit authority, the head of the Smithsonian and more medical doctors, attorneys and judges can one can count, ALL of whom were/are Black."

A secretary of HUD. Well, there you go.

I think these are mostly individuals who've lived in SP in the past, not currently. For example, I know the house former mayor Sharon Pratt lived in, and it's currently owned by someone else.

I think the gentleman that wrote that was referring to Bowser and forgot about Pratt. Others are current.

DC mayor, council member, DC chancellor, and others currently in SP/CV too.

[Anonymous]

So tired of this bullshit topic. Time to move on!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have a second grader and we are planning on moving to Shepherd Park next year. Our hope is that he will attend Shepherd Park elementary, Deal, and Wilson. I understand that there will be a boundary reassessment in 2022 when my son will be starting 4th grade. Does that mean that it is unlikely that he will be able to attend Deal? Thanks in advance and sorry if this has been answered before!

This thread has really gotten off topic. This poster is asking about grandfathering. But I would urge the poster to instead focus on what Shepherd can offer your son as a 4th and 5th grader. Go to the school! Sit in on a class! See for yourself what you see, and THEN you can decide whether you want to move for the Deal feeder. Don't put the cart before the horse. And for that matter, go and check out Deal! For our family, current residents of SP, Shepherd was not a good fit. But neither was Deal and Wilson. So we live here but make other choices for schooling. No one says you have to go to your local school. Boosters would love it if you did. But many MANY residents choose something else after making school visits. Or for religious reasons (looking for Jewish schools, for example). Plenty of us attend charters. Some charters go through HS. So definitely don't go by what people say on this board. Go and see for yourself.

[Anonymous]

We are a Shepherd family that came from a very popular charter. We couldn’t be more happy. The school is pretty great. Curious what PP saw in a visit where it wasn’t a could fit for her kid. We also had a kid graduate from Deal and was pretty happy there too. Good luck OP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a second grader and we are planning on moving to Shepherd Park next year. Our hope is that he will attend Shepherd Park elementary, Deal, and Wilson. I understand that there will be a boundary reassessment in 2022 when my son will be starting 4th grade. Does that mean that it is unlikely that he will be able to attend Deal? Thanks in advance and sorry if this has been answered before!

This thread has really gotten off topic. This poster is asking about grandfathering. But I would urge the poster to instead focus on what Shepherd can offer your son as a 4th and 5th grader. Go to the school! Sit in on a class! See for yourself what you see, and THEN you can decide whether you want to move for the Deal feeder. Don't put the cart before the horse. And for that matter, go and check out Deal! For our family, current residents of SP, Shepherd was not a good fit. But neither was Deal and Wilson. So we live here but make other choices for schooling. No one says you have to go to your local school. Boosters would love it if you did. But many MANY residents choose something else after making school visits. Or for religious reasons (looking for Jewish schools, for example). Plenty of us attend charters. Some charters go through HS. So definitely don't go by what people say on this board. Go and see for yourself.

No dog in the fight but yes have noticed lots of SP boosters on here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a second grader and we are planning on moving to Shepherd Park next year. Our hope is that he will attend Shepherd Park elementary, Deal, and Wilson. I understand that there will be a boundary reassessment in 2022 when my son will be starting 4th grade. Does that mean that it is unlikely that he will be able to attend Deal? Thanks in advance and sorry if this has been answered before!

This thread has really gotten off topic. This poster is asking about grandfathering. But I would urge the poster to instead focus on what Shepherd can offer your son as a 4th and 5th grader. Go to the school! Sit in on a class! See for yourself what you see, and THEN you can decide whether you want to move for the Deal feeder. Don't put the cart before the horse. And for that matter, go and check out Deal! For our family, current residents of SP, Shepherd was not a good fit. But neither was Deal and Wilson. So we live here but make other choices for schooling. No one says you have to go to your local school. Boosters would love it if you did. But many MANY residents choose something else after making school visits. Or for religious reasons (looking for Jewish schools, for example). Plenty of us attend charters. Some charters go through HS. So definitely don't go by what people say on this board. Go and see for yourself.

No dog in the fight but yes have noticed lots of SP boosters on here.

NP. As you should. When your kids attend your neighborhood school, you should be supportive of the place you’ve bought into. It would be foolish not to. We love the neighborhood and the school. I will boost every chance I get. Is it perfect? No, but my kids are happy and learning.

[Anonymous]

Shepherd suffers from the same issue as Banneker. Great school however, as long as its majority black it will never receive the respect. Banneker is far superior to Wilson however, you don't see Ward 3 parents trying to send their kids there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Shepherd suffers from the same issue as Banneker. Great school however, as long as its majority black it will never receive the respect. Banneker is far superior to Wilson however, you don't see Ward 3 parents trying to send their kids there.

Yes these are the boosters who uses the race card as the reason for anyone who does not send there kids there, even AA families in the neighborhood.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a second grader and we are planning on moving to Shepherd Park next year. Our hope is that he will attend Shepherd Park elementary, Deal, and Wilson. I understand that there will be a boundary reassessment in 2022 when my son will be starting 4th grade. Does that mean that it is unlikely that he will be able to attend Deal? Thanks in advance and sorry if this has been answered before!

This thread has really gotten off topic. This poster is asking about grandfathering. But I would urge the poster to instead focus on what Shepherd can offer your son as a 4th and 5th grader. Go to the school! Sit in on a class! See for yourself what you see, and THEN you can decide whether you want to move for the Deal feeder. Don't put the cart before the horse. And for that matter, go and check out Deal! For our family, current residents of SP, Shepherd was not a good fit. But neither was Deal and Wilson. So we live here but make other choices for schooling. No one says you have to go to your local school. Boosters would love it if you did. But many MANY residents choose something else after making school visits. Or for religious reasons (looking for Jewish schools, for example). Plenty of us attend charters. Some charters go through HS. So definitely don't go by what people say on this board. Go and see for yourself.

No dog in the fight but yes have noticed lots of SP boosters on here.

NP. As you should. When your kids attend your neighborhood school, you should be supportive of the place you’ve bought into. It would be foolish not to. We love the neighborhood and the school. I will boost every chance I get. Is it perfect? No, but my kids are happy and learning.

But SP boosters attack anyone who has a different opinion. That is the difference. Just as the parent group there does the same.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Shepherd suffers from the same issue as Banneker. Great school however, as long as its majority black it will never receive the respect. Banneker is far superior to Wilson however, you don't see Ward 3 parents trying to send their kids there.

Personally i don’t need respect of DCUM for my Shepherd kids. It’s an awesome school and we love the neighborhood. As it turns out, we do hope to send DD to Banneker one day as well.