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^^^What in the world. You clearly don’t live in SP or know the neighborhood. To suggest it’s 1) an enclave of light-skinned black folks that 2) don’t like dark-skinned black people is laughable on both accounts.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very hot button topic. Shepherd Elementary School is very small. If SES got moved to another feeder pattern it really wouldn’t reduce the numbers at Deal. 50 kids is a drop in the bucket. But the Ward 3 parents and a group of parents (who I know) don’t like minorities which is why they want to remove SES. There are very active parents who are voicing their concerns with city council. I think removal from Deal/Wilson is unlikely in the next round.

This is a huge generalization. Do you know all Ward 3 parents?

NP. My kids are almost done with Wilson and we were a Lafayette family. The sentiments that PPP noted above are 100% accurate. It may be a minority of white parents that think this way, BUT THEY DO EXIST!! I witnessed it with my own eyes. As a URM family - it was disgusting and disheartening to think that you are in a community with people that think this way. It's not a generalization or overstatement.

Yup, we were around the CCDC neighborhood during the last round of the boundary process - it brought out the most absolute ugliness of my neighbors.

Of course they exist. Some white people will fight like hell to keep their children from going to school with black children. They existed fifty years ago and they exist now.


Anyway, one can set their watch to this thread appearing every 6 months or so. Shepherd will not be removed from the Deal/Wilson feeder, despite the wishes of a few racists WOTP. There is no reason to do it and the parents in SES catchment are way too politically powerful, even if you exclude the Mayor herself.

This is a stupid comment. Both Deal and Wilson are very diverse and Shepherd is not even close to being all AA anyhow.

Shepherd makes sense to move because well geez it is the closest school to McFarland and Deal is ridiculously over crowded.

It also makes sense to move Lafayette because well it is the next closest school and Deal is ridiculously overcrowded.

And sure Shepherd is small but 50-75 kids per grade is not insignificant either but that is also why another school needs to be moved at the same time. And there really is only one other school that makes sense.

Shepherd is still 78% AA according to the most recent data. I would call that “close” to being all AA.

The two schools always discussed being removed are Shepherd and Bancroft, the two schools that provide the largest number of minority students. I find it so troubling that people are so nonchalant about this. Bigotry is just disgusting. Rich white people hoard the resources.

Rich white people ARE the resources. A healthy population of high SES kids is the only thing DCPS has in their toolbox to turn schools around. You don’t want your kid to go to Deal, you want your kids in a majority white school.

SES IB crows are largely UMC white and light-skinned parents who don’t want their kids going to school with dark-skinned Ward 4 kids from poorer homes. Let’s stop pretending that there isn’t also a racist/colorist motive behind the SES-Deal pipeline proponents.

How ignorant are you? I am a light skinned Shepherd Park resident and mother of multiple kids who attend SES and I have never thought like that are even once heard anyone else speak with that line of thinking. Please don’t impose your insecurities to this thread. Tired of the bashing because others are not happy with their position in life.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very hot button topic. Shepherd Elementary School is very small. If SES got moved to another feeder pattern it really wouldn’t reduce the numbers at Deal. 50 kids is a drop in the bucket. But the Ward 3 parents and a group of parents (who I know) don’t like minorities which is why they want to remove SES. There are very active parents who are voicing their concerns with city council. I think removal from Deal/Wilson is unlikely in the next round.

This is a huge generalization. Do you know all Ward 3 parents?

NP. My kids are almost done with Wilson and we were a Lafayette family. The sentiments that PPP noted above are 100% accurate. It may be a minority of white parents that think this way, BUT THEY DO EXIST!! I witnessed it with my own eyes. As a URM family - it was disgusting and disheartening to think that you are in a community with people that think this way. It's not a generalization or overstatement.

Yup, we were around the CCDC neighborhood during the last round of the boundary process - it brought out the most absolute ugliness of my neighbors.

Of course they exist. Some white people will fight like hell to keep their children from going to school with black children. They existed fifty years ago and they exist now.


Anyway, one can set their watch to this thread appearing every 6 months or so. Shepherd will not be removed from the Deal/Wilson feeder, despite the wishes of a few racists WOTP. There is no reason to do it and the parents in SES catchment are way too politically powerful, even if you exclude the Mayor herself.

This is a stupid comment. Both Deal and Wilson are very diverse and Shepherd is not even close to being all AA anyhow.

Shepherd makes sense to move because well geez it is the closest school to McFarland and Deal is ridiculously over crowded.

It also makes sense to move Lafayette because well it is the next closest school and Deal is ridiculously overcrowded.

And sure Shepherd is small but 50-75 kids per grade is not insignificant either but that is also why another school needs to be moved at the same time. And there really is only one other school that makes sense.

Shepherd is still 78% AA according to the most recent data. I would call that “close” to being all AA.

The two schools always discussed being removed are Shepherd and Bancroft, the two schools that provide the largest number of minority students. I find it so troubling that people are so nonchalant about this. Bigotry is just disgusting. Rich white people hoard the resources.

Rich white people ARE the resources. A healthy population of high SES kids is the only thing DCPS has in their toolbox to turn schools around. You don’t want your kid to go to Deal, you want your kids in a majority white school.

SES IB crows are largely UMC white and light-skinned parents who don’t want their kids going to school with dark-skinned Ward 4 kids from poorer homes. Let’s stop pretending that there isn’t also a racist/colorist motive behind the SES-Deal pipeline proponents.

True, but you left out the Milton families in the neighborhood who only care about SES to the extent that it effects property values if the feeder pattern changes.

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Anonymous wrote:The mid and upper grades at Shepherd are still predominantly AA. Someone correct me if this has changed recently, but I believe the test scores still cannot be broken out by white race since there are < 10 white students in each testing grade.

True. The largest group of white students are in PreK.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very hot button topic. Shepherd Elementary School is very small. If SES got moved to another feeder pattern it really wouldn’t reduce the numbers at Deal. 50 kids is a drop in the bucket. But the Ward 3 parents and a group of parents (who I know) don’t like minorities which is why they want to remove SES. There are very active parents who are voicing their concerns with city council. I think removal from Deal/Wilson is unlikely in the next round.

This is a huge generalization. Do you know all Ward 3 parents?

NP. My kids are almost done with Wilson and we were a Lafayette family. The sentiments that PPP noted above are 100% accurate. It may be a minority of white parents that think this way, BUT THEY DO EXIST!! I witnessed it with my own eyes. As a URM family - it was disgusting and disheartening to think that you are in a community with people that think this way. It's not a generalization or overstatement.

Yup, we were around the CCDC neighborhood during the last round of the boundary process - it brought out the most absolute ugliness of my neighbors.

Of course they exist. Some white people will fight like hell to keep their children from going to school with black children. They existed fifty years ago and they exist now.


Anyway, one can set their watch to this thread appearing every 6 months or so. Shepherd will not be removed from the Deal/Wilson feeder, despite the wishes of a few racists WOTP. There is no reason to do it and the parents in SES catchment are way too politically powerful, even if you exclude the Mayor herself.

This is a stupid comment. Both Deal and Wilson are very diverse and Shepherd is not even close to being all AA anyhow.

Shepherd makes sense to move because well geez it is the closest school to McFarland and Deal is ridiculously over crowded.

It also makes sense to move Lafayette because well it is the next closest school and Deal is ridiculously overcrowded.

And sure Shepherd is small but 50-75 kids per grade is not insignificant either but that is also why another school needs to be moved at the same time. And there really is only one other school that makes sense.

Shepherd is still 78% AA according to the most recent data. I would call that “close” to being all AA.

The two schools always discussed being removed are Shepherd and Bancroft, the two schools that provide the largest number of minority students. I find it so troubling that people are so nonchalant about this. Bigotry is just disgusting. Rich white people hoard the resources.

Rich white people ARE the resources. A healthy population of high SES kids is the only thing DCPS has in their toolbox to turn schools around. You don’t want your kid to go to Deal, you want your kids in a majority white school.

SES IB crows are largely UMC white and light-skinned parents who don’t want their kids going to school with dark-skinned Ward 4 kids from poorer homes. Let’s stop pretending that there isn’t also a racist/colorist motive behind the SES-Deal pipeline proponents.

True, but you left out the Milton families in the neighborhood who only care about SES to the extent that it effects property values if the feeder pattern changes.

Time to trot out the old anti-semetic trope that Jews only care about money huh?! You’re disgusting.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very hot button topic. Shepherd Elementary School is very small. If SES got moved to another feeder pattern it really wouldn’t reduce the numbers at Deal. 50 kids is a drop in the bucket. But the Ward 3 parents and a group of parents (who I know) don’t like minorities which is why they want to remove SES. There are very active parents who are voicing their concerns with city council. I think removal from Deal/Wilson is unlikely in the next round.

This is a huge generalization. Do you know all Ward 3 parents?

NP. My kids are almost done with Wilson and we were a Lafayette family. The sentiments that PPP noted above are 100% accurate. It may be a minority of white parents that think this way, BUT THEY DO EXIST!! I witnessed it with my own eyes. As a URM family - it was disgusting and disheartening to think that you are in a community with people that think this way. It's not a generalization or overstatement.

Yup, we were around the CCDC neighborhood during the last round of the boundary process - it brought out the most absolute ugliness of my neighbors.

Of course they exist. Some white people will fight like hell to keep their children from going to school with black children. They existed fifty years ago and they exist now.


Anyway, one can set their watch to this thread appearing every 6 months or so. Shepherd will not be removed from the Deal/Wilson feeder, despite the wishes of a few racists WOTP. There is no reason to do it and the parents in SES catchment are way too politically powerful, even if you exclude the Mayor herself.

This is a stupid comment. Both Deal and Wilson are very diverse and Shepherd is not even close to being all AA anyhow.

Shepherd makes sense to move because well geez it is the closest school to McFarland and Deal is ridiculously over crowded.

It also makes sense to move Lafayette because well it is the next closest school and Deal is ridiculously overcrowded.

And sure Shepherd is small but 50-75 kids per grade is not insignificant either but that is also why another school needs to be moved at the same time. And there really is only one other school that makes sense.

Shepherd is still 78% AA according to the most recent data. I would call that “close” to being all AA.

The two schools always discussed being removed are Shepherd and Bancroft, the two schools that provide the largest number of minority students. I find it so troubling that people are so nonchalant about this. Bigotry is just disgusting. Rich white people hoard the resources.

Rich white people ARE the resources. A healthy population of high SES kids is the only thing DCPS has in their toolbox to turn schools around. You don’t want your kid to go to Deal, you want your kids in a majority white school.

No.

You want your kids in a majority-high-educated school.

If you wanted your kid to be a plumber, you’d want them in a school where lots of parents were plumbers. If you want your kid to be college educated and get a job as a lawyer or doctor you want them in a school where lots of parents have advanced degrees and are lawyers or doctors.

There are plenty of Black families who are highly educated. But years of systemic racism mean that more white families are highly educated than black families. That sucks. It needs to change.

But when it comes to schools, IF your goal is educational success and success at college, highly-educated parents are a huge resource.

We are lucky in DCPS that many highly educated parents are willing to give back to the schools. But pushing out highly-educated families because eg middle schools are bad is a very bad way to help DCPS students succeed in college.

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Anonymous wrote:The mid and upper grades at Shepherd are still predominantly AA. Someone correct me if this has changed recently, but I believe the test scores still cannot be broken out by white race since there are < 10 white students in each testing grade.

True. The largest group of white students are in PreK.

You can measure overall white scores. Shepherd is 94% in math and ELA. Janney is 90/86. Murch is 85/86. Lafayette is 86/90. Hearst is 81/86.

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Anonymous wrote:This topic has been analyzed front and back followed by sideways. This will not happen. Shepherd has the largest voter turnout and every mayor knows to keep SP constituents very happy.

The current mayor may care about Shepherd but she cares a lot more about her developer cronies who provide the cash to her PAC, her campaign and ...? She is their corrupt ho; they are her johns.

Another stupid comment.

Everyone who lives in DC should be grateful for all the development you are bemoaning because it has swelled the cities coffers and enabled the now 15 year infrastructure spree the city has been on. Or maybe you preferred Janney, Murch, Lafayette, Stodderd Mann, Eaton (soon), Deal & Wilson before the city spent over 600 million dollars expanding and modernizing them?

Or maybe you preferred the old fire stations & rec centers?

Don’t forget the $ 200 million renovation of Duke Ellington high school, which was 100% over budget. The massive cost overruns are evidence of likely corruption and chiseling. I suppose the only reason why Ellington was left off the DC schools list is that a majority of the students don’t really live in DC but rather in Prince George’s County - while the DC tax payers pick up all the tab! Shameful.

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Rock Creek Park is a natural dividing line for school boundaries. Schools west of the park should go to Deal; east of the park to go closer to home.

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Anonymous wrote:This topic has been analyzed front and back followed by sideways. This will not happen. Shepherd has the largest voter turnout and every mayor knows to keep SP constituents very happy.

The current mayor may care about Shepherd but she cares a lot more about her developer cronies who provide the cash to her PAC, her campaign and ...? She is their corrupt ho; they are her johns.

Another stupid comment.

Everyone who lives in DC should be grateful for all the development you are bemoaning because it has swelled the cities coffers and enabled the now 15 year infrastructure spree the city has been on. Or maybe you preferred Janney, Murch, Lafayette, Stodderd Mann, Eaton (soon), Deal & Wilson before the city spent over 600 million dollars expanding and modernizing them?

Or maybe you preferred the old fire stations & rec centers?

Don’t forget the $ 200 million renovation of Duke Ellington high school, which was 100% over budget. The massive cost overruns are evidence of likely corruption and chiseling. I suppose the only reason why Ellington was left off the DC schools list is that a majority of the students don’t really live in DC but rather in Prince George’s County - while the DC tax payers pick up all the tab! Shameful.

You are tedious.

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Anonymous wrote:The mid and upper grades at Shepherd are still predominantly AA. Someone correct me if this has changed recently, but I believe the test scores still cannot be broken out by white race since there are < 10 white students in each testing grade.

True. The largest group of white students are in PreK.

You can measure overall white scores. Shepherd is 94% in math and ELA. Janney is 90/86. Murch is 85/86. Lafayette is 86/90. Hearst is 81/86.

True as well. The white kids at SES score higher than the white kids WotP.

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Anonymous wrote:When is the last year for the grandfathered boundaries (16th St Heights etc.) to go to Deal? Approximately how many of the grandfathered kids per year go to Deal each year?

Will Deal still be overcrowded once this takes effect?

I don't know when grandfathering ends (cause it's not gonna affect us) but my kids go to Deal. And we love our big house, our neighbors and the free bus that comes by to pick up and drop off our kids every school day.

I'm asking because if we're expecting relief from the grandfathering ending, then why the need to kick out more schools? Are the anti Shepherd and Bancroft people factoring in the drop in enrollment from the end of the grandfathering? It seems like there's already a solution in place that would take effect within the next few years unless I'm missing something.

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Anonymous wrote:There is simply no way they will cut out the one portal for poor black kids into deal. SES isn’t great but without it many black Families would find themselves in a pinch and Wilson would accelerate becoming a mostly white and higher SES high school which makes the rest of DC feel uneasy.

Disagree completely. People don't just want to attend Shepherd ES to have a path to Deal and Wilson. Shepherd is a very good school in it's own right.

DP here. But many families in bounds for Shepherd/Deal/Wilson opt out of Shepherd then send their kids to Deal. This Shepherd boosterism without fixing the very real issues isn't helping the community.

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Anonymous wrote:There is simply no way they will cut out the one portal for poor black kids into deal. SES isn’t great but without it many black Families would find themselves in a pinch and Wilson would accelerate becoming a mostly white and higher SES high school which makes the rest of DC feel uneasy.

Disagree completely. People don't just want to attend Shepherd ES to have a path to Deal and Wilson. Shepherd is a very good school in it's own right.

DP here. But many families in bounds for Shepherd/Deal/Wilson opt out of Shepherd then send their kids to Deal. This Shepherd boosterism without fixing the very real issues isn't helping the community.

What are the "very real issues?" And are you speaking from recent experience?

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This is a third-degree rumor thread. Nothing has changed. They're still admiring the Deal overcrowding problem. The mayor lives in bounds for Shepherd. Draw all your own conclusions.