Is this going too far? Always removes Venus symbol to acknowledge transmen who menstruate

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hmm.

I find intriguing all these posts saying if it doesn't affect you then why do you care?

One could use the same argument about a lot of things that don't affect me, so why should I care? Why should I care about poverty, for example, when it doesn't affect me. Or bad schools, or a whole host of other social ills.

The transgender issue has complicated things in ways some of you want to pretend it hasn't because you don't think it affects you and you'd rather be seen as welcoming. I take a more nuanced perspective on the subject. There are certainly areas that have been greatly impacted, at the woman's expense, by transgender rights. Women's sports, for example. Regardless of what a transgender person wants to think of their gender, they still very much have a specific biological body and there is no ifs and buts about it. There is definitely some truth in that the more aggressive aspects of transgender activism is little more than another form of mansplaining and the byproduct is men invading what was considered the woman's identity. One of my friends astutely observed that the byproduct of the rush to support transgender rights and acceptance has mostly resulted in men taking over women's identities and effectively neutralizing the public perception of what it means to be a woman. It's rarely ever the man's identity that's being challenged.

You may not care and think it doesn't affect you, but I sure do see why many women feel uncomfortable by a lot of what's going on.

The Always packaging is about transmen who menstruate because they have a uterus and ovaries. In other words, "women," by your definition.

So what do you do? You complain about how transwomen ("men," by your definition) have taken over all discussion of transgender identity.

It's like complaining, on a thread about a July heatwave, that everyone who talks about the weather talks about snow and ice.

[Anonymous]

Its absurd.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Off to the races!

I don't GAF what the product is called, what a person genders themselves, what they do to their body. I DO care about women-centric language and experiences being eliminated by the trans community.

"In practice, however, TERFs ascribe to a cartoonishly fragile femininity, in which a woman’s every outfit, belonging, and activity must be visibly gendered, lest her whole sense of self fall apart."

Delusional. That applies to the M2F who've designed their new bodies solely for the straight male gaze. But sure, "TERFs" and "radfems" are walking around with "fragile femininity."

Yep. Sure are.

[Anonymous]

As a woman, I don't really care what symbols Always puts on it's products, the same way I don't care what Starbucks puts on it's cups.

A lot of women are moving to use diva cups and other reusable, washable, menstrual products to save themselves money and help the environment anyhow. Always is probably looking for some publicity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Off to the races!

I don't GAF what the product is called, what a person genders themselves, what they do to their body. I DO care about women-centric language and experiences being eliminated by the trans community.

"In practice, however, TERFs ascribe to a cartoonishly fragile femininity, in which a woman’s every outfit, belonging, and activity must be visibly gendered, lest her whole sense of self fall apart."

Delusional. That applies to the M2F who've designed their new bodies solely for the straight male gaze. But sure, "TERFs" and "radfems" are walking around with "fragile femininity."

Yep. Sure are.

You're soooooo woke. Neoliberalism FTW.

What's next in your bag of tricks? "Cis people who only want to date other cis people are transphobic!"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hmm.

I find intriguing all these posts saying if it doesn't affect you then why do you care?

One could use the same argument about a lot of things that don't affect me, so why should I care? Why should I care about poverty, for example, when it doesn't affect me. Or bad schools, or a whole host of other social ills.

The transgender issue has complicated things in ways some of you want to pretend it hasn't because you don't think it affects you and you'd rather be seen as welcoming. I take a more nuanced perspective on the subject. There are certainly areas that have been greatly impacted, at the woman's expense, by transgender rights. Women's sports, for example. Regardless of what a transgender person wants to think of their gender, they still very much have a specific biological body and there is no ifs and buts about it. There is definitely some truth in that the more aggressive aspects of transgender activism is little more than another form of mansplaining and the byproduct is men invading what was considered the woman's identity. One of my friends astutely observed that the byproduct of the rush to support transgender rights and acceptance has mostly resulted in men taking over women's identities and effectively neutralizing the public perception of what it means to be a woman. It's rarely ever the man's identity that's being challenged.

You may not care and think it doesn't affect you, but I sure do see why many women feel uncomfortable by a lot of what's going on.

The Always packaging is about transmen who menstruate because they have a uterus and ovaries. In other words, "women," by your definition.

So what do you do? You complain about how transwomen ("men," by your definition) have taken over all discussion of transgender identity.

It's like complaining, on a thread about a July heatwave, that everyone who talks about the weather talks about snow and ice.

So what are you doing? Dissing a claim because it points out something valid? Oh, it's the wrong kind of transgender. I see. Shrugs.

[Anonymous]

I wonder how many of the people outraged by this ever noticed the symbol on the packaging before. I certainly didn't, and don't care that it's gone.

[Anonymous]

So with the idea of appealing to a bigger market, why don't the sanitary product companies start a new line with "man-ish" packaging?
Maybe use more typically man colors-brown, grey, black, whatever the focus groups like, with whatever symbols they prefer. Call them "monthly" products, not "feminine" products.

Like how they have more teen-friendly packaging.

I am a woman, born a woman, tomboyish as a girl (influenced by 3 older brothers I guess) but a straight mom of three daughters (who are not all straight) and I kind of like the venus symbol, so why can't I still have the packaging that I like?

Just vary the packaging, appeal to all markets.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You're soooooo woke. Neoliberalism FTW.

What's next in your bag of tricks? "Cis people who only want to date other cis people are transphobic!"

Ask yourself why this bothers you so much.

[Anonymous]

It’s going too far. This is how trump got elected.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s going too far. This is how trump got elected.

Wow that's one hell of a time warp Always constructed to elect trump!

[Anonymous]

Imagine if our great grandparents could all come back down to Earth.
They would be very confused.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hmm.

I find intriguing all these posts saying if it doesn't affect you then why do you care?

One could use the same argument about a lot of things that don't affect me, so why should I care? Why should I care about poverty, for example, when it doesn't affect me. Or bad schools, or a whole host of other social ills.

The transgender issue has complicated things in ways some of you want to pretend it hasn't because you don't think it affects you and you'd rather be seen as welcoming. I take a more nuanced perspective on the subject. There are certainly areas that have been greatly impacted, at the woman's expense, by transgender rights. Women's sports, for example. Regardless of what a transgender person wants to think of their gender, they still very much have a specific biological body and there is no ifs and buts about it. There is definitely some truth in that the more aggressive aspects of transgender activism is little more than another form of mansplaining and the byproduct is men invading what was considered the woman's identity. One of my friends astutely observed that the byproduct of the rush to support transgender rights and acceptance has mostly resulted in men taking over women's identities and effectively neutralizing the public perception of what it means to be a woman. It's rarely ever the man's identity that's being challenged.

You may not care and think it doesn't affect you, but I sure do see why many women feel uncomfortable by a lot of what's going on.

The Always packaging is about transmen who menstruate because they have a uterus and ovaries. In other words, "women," by your definition.

So what do you do? You complain about how transwomen ("men," by your definition) have taken over all discussion of transgender identity.

It's like complaining, on a thread about a July heatwave, that everyone who talks about the weather talks about snow and ice.

So what are you doing? Dissing a claim because it points out something valid? Oh, it's the wrong kind of transgender. I see. Shrugs.

No, it's the wrong thread to be saying whatever-you're-saying on. If you want to talk about how transwomen are threatening your identity as a woman, do so on a thread about transwomen, not on a thread about transmen.

[Anonymous]

Are they also getting rid of the pink wrapping!!!!! THE HORROR!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Imagine if our great grandparents could all come back down to Earth.
They would be very confused.

Yes, but not primarily by this. This would be very, very, very, very far down the list of things to be confused about.