Is this going too far? Always removes Venus symbol to acknowledge transmen who menstruate

[Anonymous]

Yes it's completely ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it still o.k. to say "feminine hygiene product" or is that a no no now, too?

You can say it all you want, but it used to be a silly euphemism for "menstrual products," and it still is a silly euphemism.

+1

I want them to call them what they are. Also, I'd like them to use a red liquid, not a blue one, in commercials. I don't bleed blue.

Might as well show brown stains on toilet paper, too. Why leave anything to the imagination....

[Anonymous]

The only people that actually care about the stupid symbol are the menstruating men.

Women have been running over to the pad/tampon aisle since we were girls with cramps and dread about "aunt flo". We've had to suffer through bleeding accidents, worry over our trips to the pool and beach, discreetly excuse ourselves from business meetings because of "emergencies", you know.. deal with real issues that occur with periods.

We've experienced enough instances of shame in our lifetimes over our periods. If it makes a man or cis, or whatever pronoun feel better that a symbol meaning womanis removed- slow clap for you. Women actually have bigger problems in life.

[Anonymous]

Hmm.

I find intriguing all these posts saying if it doesn't affect you then why do you care?

One could use the same argument about a lot of things that don't affect me, so why should I care? Why should I care about poverty, for example, when it doesn't affect me. Or bad schools, or a whole host of other social ills.

The transgender issue has complicated things in ways some of you want to pretend it hasn't because you don't think it affects you and you'd rather be seen as welcoming. I take a more nuanced perspective on the subject. There are certainly areas that have been greatly impacted, at the woman's expense, by transgender rights. Women's sports, for example. Regardless of what a transgender person wants to think of their gender, they still very much have a specific biological body and there is no ifs and buts about it. There is definitely some truth in that the more aggressive aspects of transgender activism is little more than another form of mansplaining and the byproduct is men invading what was considered the woman's identity. One of my friends astutely observed that the byproduct of the rush to support transgender rights and acceptance has mostly resulted in men taking over women's identities and effectively neutralizing the public perception of what it means to be a woman. It's rarely ever the man's identity that's being challenged.

You may not care and think it doesn't affect you, but I sure do see why many women feel uncomfortable by a lot of what's going on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The only people that actually care about the stupid symbol are the menstruating men.

Women have been running over to the pad/tampon aisle since we were girls with cramps and dread about "aunt flo". We've had to suffer through bleeding accidents, worry over our trips to the pool and beach, discreetly excuse ourselves from business meetings because of "emergencies", you know.. deal with real issues that occur with periods.

We've experienced enough instances of shame in our lifetimes over our periods. If it makes a man or cis, or whatever pronoun feel better that a symbol meaning womanis removed- slow clap for you. Women actually have bigger problems in life.

Yep.

Switching gears, surprised this thread has lasted so long.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hmm.

I find intriguing all these posts saying if it doesn't affect you then why do you care?

One could use the same argument about a lot of things that don't affect me, so why should I care? Why should I care about poverty, for example, when it doesn't affect me. Or bad schools, or a whole host of other social ills.

The transgender issue has complicated things in ways some of you want to pretend it hasn't because you don't think it affects you and you'd rather be seen as welcoming. I take a more nuanced perspective on the subject. There are certainly areas that have been greatly impacted, at the woman's expense, by transgender rights. Women's sports, for example. Regardless of what a transgender person wants to think of their gender, they still very much have a specific biological body and there is no ifs and buts about it. There is definitely some truth in that the more aggressive aspects of transgender activism is little more than another form of mansplaining and the byproduct is men invading what was considered the woman's identity. One of my friends astutely observed that the byproduct of the rush to support transgender rights and acceptance has mostly resulted in men taking over women's identities and effectively neutralizing the public perception of what it means to be a woman. It's rarely ever the man's identity that's being challenged.

You may not care and think it doesn't affect you, but I sure do see why many women feel uncomfortable by a lot of what's going on.

I 100% agree, but be prepared to be called a TERF. Don't dare post this on social media or you will get death threats from trans-activists.

Trans-activism is rooted in straight white male misogyny and internalized homophobia.

[Anonymous]

Why is it so hard to understand that a person that is transitioning to a man still menstruates?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does it affect you in any way? No.

No need to be hateful, judgmental a-holes.

This and it took me a moment to figure out what this is about because who fcking cares?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hmm.

I find intriguing all these posts saying if it doesn't affect you then why do you care?

One could use the same argument about a lot of things that don't affect me, so why should I care? Why should I care about poverty, for example, when it doesn't affect me. Or bad schools, or a whole host of other social ills.

The transgender issue has complicated things in ways some of you want to pretend it hasn't because you don't think it affects you and you'd rather be seen as welcoming. I take a more nuanced perspective on the subject. There are certainly areas that have been greatly impacted, at the woman's expense, by transgender rights. Women's sports, for example. Regardless of what a transgender person wants to think of their gender, they still very much have a specific biological body and there is no ifs and buts about it. There is definitely some truth in that the more aggressive aspects of transgender activism is little more than another form of mansplaining and the byproduct is men invading what was considered the woman's identity. One of my friends astutely observed that the byproduct of the rush to support transgender rights and acceptance has mostly resulted in men taking over women's identities and effectively neutralizing the public perception of what it means to be a woman. It's rarely ever the man's identity that's being challenged.

You may not care and think it doesn't affect you, but I sure do see why many women feel uncomfortable by a lot of what's going on.

I 100% agree, but be prepared to be called a TERF. Don't dare post this on social media or you will get death threats from trans-activists.

Trans-activism is rooted in straight white male misogyny and internalized homophobia.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does it affect you in any way? No.

No need to be hateful, judgmental a-holes.

Why are you hatefully judging hateful, judgmental a-holes?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I 100% agree, but be prepared to be called a TERF. Don't dare post this on social media or you will get death threats from trans-activists.

Trans-activism is rooted in straight white male misogyny and internalized homophobia.

It's a fragile sort of woman whose female identity is shaken by changes in the appearance of menstrual product packaging. And not my idea of feminism, either.

https://www.damemagazine.com/2019/10/24/the-irony-of-the-terf-war-over-feminine-products/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hmm.

I find intriguing all these posts saying if it doesn't affect you then why do you care?

One could use the same argument about a lot of things that don't affect me, so why should I care? Why should I care about poverty, for example, when it doesn't affect me. Or bad schools, or a whole host of other social ills.

The transgender issue has complicated things in ways some of you want to pretend it hasn't because you don't think it affects you and you'd rather be seen as welcoming. I take a more nuanced perspective on the subject. There are certainly areas that have been greatly impacted, at the woman's expense, by transgender rights. Women's sports, for example. Regardless of what a transgender person wants to think of their gender, they still very much have a specific biological body and there is no ifs and buts about it. There is definitely some truth in that the more aggressive aspects of transgender activism is little more than another form of mansplaining and the byproduct is men invading what was considered the woman's identity. One of my friends astutely observed that the byproduct of the rush to support transgender rights and acceptance has mostly resulted in men taking over women's identities and effectively neutralizing the public perception of what it means to be a woman. It's rarely ever the man's identity that's being challenged.

You may not care and think it doesn't affect you, but I sure do see why many women feel uncomfortable by a lot of what's going on.

Focus up. People who bleed need products for bleeding. I'm going to buy what I need, and I'm not going to care what another person buys or does to address their needs.

I need a product for my period. I honestly don't care if the box has a flower or a pickle or a bird on it. And I don't care who else is using the product, for what.

[Anonymous]

I care about trans women (who transitioned as post-puberty) participating in women's sports. It creates unfair competition for the cis women who have to compete against them.

I don't care about Always changing their packaging. This doesn't affect negatively affect me or anyone else. If this completely harmless gesture makes trans men who still menstruate feel more included, I'm all for it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I 100% agree, but be prepared to be called a TERF. Don't dare post this on social media or you will get death threats from trans-activists.

Trans-activism is rooted in straight white male misogyny and internalized homophobia.

It's a fragile sort of woman whose female identity is shaken by changes in the appearance of menstrual product packaging. And not my idea of feminism, either.

https://www.damemagazine.com/2019/10/24/the-irony-of-the-terf-war-over-feminine-products/

Off to the races!

I don't GAF what the product is called, what a person genders themselves, what they do to their body. I DO care about women-centric language and experiences being eliminated by the trans community.

"In practice, however, TERFs ascribe to a cartoonishly fragile femininity, in which a woman’s every outfit, belonging, and activity must be visibly gendered, lest her whole sense of self fall apart."

Delusional. That applies to the M2F who've designed their new bodies solely for the straight male gaze. But sure, "TERFs" and "radfems" are walking around with "fragile femininity."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t care how a company chooses to market its products.

I think the demand to remove the symbol and the caving in to it is stupid, though.

And this is the real conversation we should have.

Anyone care to discuss this?

Aw, look how cute you are that you don't understand that major corporations don't "cave". In this case, as in every case, cave = a company choosing to market its product in a way that will ultimately maximize sales and minimize headaches.

The real discussion is reflecting on why it feels like "caving". (Hint: Would you feel the same way if they wanted to put American flags on the package around July 4th?)