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Anonymous wrote:I have really been exploring my relationship with alcohol this past year. Mainly, I am worried about my physical health but I also had the same realization of the amount of drinks per day really creeping up. I successfully implemented this plan (kind of stole this from the SunnySide App- which I never did but get ads for them all the time)

I started by tracking my drinks for 2 weeks. I was drinking 3-4 glasses of wine PER DAY during the work week and 4-6 on Fridays and Saturdays. (Insane! i was shocked by this). I was really thoughtless about having a beer with lunch on a Saturday or a glass of wine while making dinner during the week. It was so habitual to me...I had very much normalized that idea of having a glass of wine before dinner, one with dinner, and then 1-2 while watching TV after dinner.

After two weeks, I set a goal to have 15 drinks per week. (That still sounds like a lot but is less than the 30+ drinks I was having). This was actually not hard at all. The first week, I had 2 drinks per day, with 3 on the Saturday. The second week, I had three days with no alcohol and then two weekend nights with 5 drinks.

I then reduced my goal to 12 drinks and did a similar distribution- but this time, I really noticed how much better I felt on the days that I had no alcohol at all. This was motivating to me.

Then I reduced to 10 and that started to look like not drinking Sun-Wed. This worked well for me.

Currently, I allow my self 8 drinks per week and I have maintained this for almost 8 months. I don't drink on nights where I have to work the next day, and I don't cheat if there is a long weekend or holiday. If I have a social event during the work week, I either don't drink or I take a weekend night off. I notice a lot of benefits in terms of my sleep, weight, skin, sex drive, etc but what I also notice is that I am so much more comfy enjoying a single glass of wine without feeling the need to midndlessly pour another. I switch to seltzer or tea and it is totally fine.

I am aiming to go down to 6 drinks per week this month, which to me feels very manageable and realistic.

My message is: you can do it!

That is great. Keep cutting back. 6 per week is still high for health reasons

No, it's not, assuming it's one drink/day and not one day of six drinks. Is it ideal? No. But it's SO much better than heavy drinking - and huge kudos to you, PP, for cutting back as you've done. Keep it up. The less, the better - and also, we need to be realistic about alcohol consumption in the context of health overall (diet, exercise, sleep, relationships, etc.).

Even one or 2 drinks per week increases your odds of breast cancer.

Oh my god, you're so tedious. I hope you never eat red meat and three quarters of every plate you consume is composed of vegetables, and you get whatever the perfectly perfect amount of weekly exercise that is recommended now, and you get 9 hours of sleep each night and meditate to avoid stress and have a desk setup ergonomically adjusted by a professional.

Guess what? You'll still die. And you'll have had way less fun.

Hardly, I have lots of fun. I'm more present in my life, less stressed, a healthy weight, and feel fabulous! Sorry, or really not sorry, to disappoint you.

Okay, great! I'm a moderate drinker and also unstressed, a healthy weight, and feel fabulous. And don't feel the need to scare strangers on the internet with specious claims.

It is all science, not specious. You are brainwashed and just don’t want to hear it.

Nope. I looked this up, and it looks like 3 drinks a week is the number where it could potentially be an issue.

I also didn’t see you answer whether you comply with all other drastic health directives? I do hope so. Otherwise your fabulous, unstressed life will surely be cut short. Would be such a shame not to have you around to judge other people.

Not judging, just sharing what I know. And I don't eat red meat, eat lots of vegetables, and exercise. It is alarming that you think that makes me a lesser person somehow and that my life should be cut short.

You are judging. That’s exactly what your posts are all about.

Look, you can drink sometimes and the wheels aren’t going to fall off. I just wouldn’t do it all the time. Sometimes I drink wine and beer with my wife and we eat pizza. Crazy. Then I get up the next morning and even though I don’t feel all that great, I might go run for 10 miles or ride a bike with my friends for 60.

Life is about experiences. You can recognize alcohol is poison and still consume it sometimes.

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Anonymous wrote:I have really been exploring my relationship with alcohol this past year. Mainly, I am worried about my physical health but I also had the same realization of the amount of drinks per day really creeping up. I successfully implemented this plan (kind of stole this from the SunnySide App- which I never did but get ads for them all the time)

I started by tracking my drinks for 2 weeks. I was drinking 3-4 glasses of wine PER DAY during the work week and 4-6 on Fridays and Saturdays. (Insane! i was shocked by this). I was really thoughtless about having a beer with lunch on a Saturday or a glass of wine while making dinner during the week. It was so habitual to me...I had very much normalized that idea of having a glass of wine before dinner, one with dinner, and then 1-2 while watching TV after dinner.

After two weeks, I set a goal to have 15 drinks per week. (That still sounds like a lot but is less than the 30+ drinks I was having). This was actually not hard at all. The first week, I had 2 drinks per day, with 3 on the Saturday. The second week, I had three days with no alcohol and then two weekend nights with 5 drinks.

I then reduced my goal to 12 drinks and did a similar distribution- but this time, I really noticed how much better I felt on the days that I had no alcohol at all. This was motivating to me.

Then I reduced to 10 and that started to look like not drinking Sun-Wed. This worked well for me.

Currently, I allow my self 8 drinks per week and I have maintained this for almost 8 months. I don't drink on nights where I have to work the next day, and I don't cheat if there is a long weekend or holiday. If I have a social event during the work week, I either don't drink or I take a weekend night off. I notice a lot of benefits in terms of my sleep, weight, skin, sex drive, etc but what I also notice is that I am so much more comfy enjoying a single glass of wine without feeling the need to midndlessly pour another. I switch to seltzer or tea and it is totally fine.

I am aiming to go down to 6 drinks per week this month, which to me feels very manageable and realistic.

My message is: you can do it!

That is great. Keep cutting back. 6 per week is still high for health reasons

No, it's not, assuming it's one drink/day and not one day of six drinks. Is it ideal? No. But it's SO much better than heavy drinking - and huge kudos to you, PP, for cutting back as you've done. Keep it up. The less, the better - and also, we need to be realistic about alcohol consumption in the context of health overall (diet, exercise, sleep, relationships, etc.).

Even one or 2 drinks per week increases your odds of breast cancer.

Oh my god, you're so tedious. I hope you never eat red meat and three quarters of every plate you consume is composed of vegetables, and you get whatever the perfectly perfect amount of weekly exercise that is recommended now, and you get 9 hours of sleep each night and meditate to avoid stress and have a desk setup ergonomically adjusted by a professional.

Guess what? You'll still die. And you'll have had way less fun.

Hardly, I have lots of fun. I'm more present in my life, less stressed, a healthy weight, and feel fabulous! Sorry, or really not sorry, to disappoint you.

Okay, great! I'm a moderate drinker and also unstressed, a healthy weight, and feel fabulous. And don't feel the need to scare strangers on the internet with specious claims.

It is all science, not specious. You are brainwashed and just don’t want to hear it.

Nope. I looked this up, and it looks like 3 drinks a week is the number where it could potentially be an issue.

I also didn’t see you answer whether you comply with all other drastic health directives? I do hope so. Otherwise your fabulous, unstressed life will surely be cut short. Would be such a shame not to have you around to judge other people.

Not judging, just sharing what I know. And I don't eat red meat, eat lots of vegetables, and exercise. It is alarming that you think that makes me a lesser person somehow and that my life should be cut short.

You are judging. That’s exactly what your posts are all about.

Look, you can drink sometimes and the wheels aren’t going to fall off. I just wouldn’t do it all the time. Sometimes I drink wine and beer with my wife and we eat pizza. Crazy. Then I get up the next morning and even though I don’t feel all that great, I might go run for 10 miles or ride a bike with my friends for 60.

Life is about experiences. You can recognize alcohol is poison and still consume it sometimes.

I agree drinking occasionally is fine. In fact, I drink occasionally too. My posts were in response to people saying that 6 drinks a week is a good place for a woman to be. The science says that it will still catch up with women and could be harmful. A lot of women don't realize that. I only learned that recently and I want to help other women understand the implications of regular drinking. It doesn't make me "judgey", less fun, "tedious" or less worthy of living like you seem to think. The fact that you're somehow threatened by what I've posted says more about you, than it does me.

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Anonymous wrote:I have really been exploring my relationship with alcohol this past year. Mainly, I am worried about my physical health but I also had the same realization of the amount of drinks per day really creeping up. I successfully implemented this plan (kind of stole this from the SunnySide App- which I never did but get ads for them all the time)

I started by tracking my drinks for 2 weeks. I was drinking 3-4 glasses of wine PER DAY during the work week and 4-6 on Fridays and Saturdays. (Insane! i was shocked by this). I was really thoughtless about having a beer with lunch on a Saturday or a glass of wine while making dinner during the week. It was so habitual to me...I had very much normalized that idea of having a glass of wine before dinner, one with dinner, and then 1-2 while watching TV after dinner.

After two weeks, I set a goal to have 15 drinks per week. (That still sounds like a lot but is less than the 30+ drinks I was having). This was actually not hard at all. The first week, I had 2 drinks per day, with 3 on the Saturday. The second week, I had three days with no alcohol and then two weekend nights with 5 drinks.

I then reduced my goal to 12 drinks and did a similar distribution- but this time, I really noticed how much better I felt on the days that I had no alcohol at all. This was motivating to me.

Then I reduced to 10 and that started to look like not drinking Sun-Wed. This worked well for me.

Currently, I allow my self 8 drinks per week and I have maintained this for almost 8 months. I don't drink on nights where I have to work the next day, and I don't cheat if there is a long weekend or holiday. If I have a social event during the work week, I either don't drink or I take a weekend night off. I notice a lot of benefits in terms of my sleep, weight, skin, sex drive, etc but what I also notice is that I am so much more comfy enjoying a single glass of wine without feeling the need to midndlessly pour another. I switch to seltzer or tea and it is totally fine.

I am aiming to go down to 6 drinks per week this month, which to me feels very manageable and realistic.

My message is: you can do it!

That is great. Keep cutting back. 6 per week is still high for health reasons

No, it's not, assuming it's one drink/day and not one day of six drinks. Is it ideal? No. But it's SO much better than heavy drinking - and huge kudos to you, PP, for cutting back as you've done. Keep it up. The less, the better - and also, we need to be realistic about alcohol consumption in the context of health overall (diet, exercise, sleep, relationships, etc.).

Even one or 2 drinks per week increases your odds of breast cancer.

Oh my god, you're so tedious. I hope you never eat red meat and three quarters of every plate you consume is composed of vegetables, and you get whatever the perfectly perfect amount of weekly exercise that is recommended now, and you get 9 hours of sleep each night and meditate to avoid stress and have a desk setup ergonomically adjusted by a professional.

Guess what? You'll still die. And you'll have had way less fun.

Hardly, I have lots of fun. I'm more present in my life, less stressed, a healthy weight, and feel fabulous! Sorry, or really not sorry, to disappoint you.

Okay, great! I'm a moderate drinker and also unstressed, a healthy weight, and feel fabulous. And don't feel the need to scare strangers on the internet with specious claims.

It is all science, not specious. You are brainwashed and just don’t want to hear it.

Nope. I looked this up, and it looks like 3 drinks a week is the number where it could potentially be an issue.

I also didn’t see you answer whether you comply with all other drastic health directives? I do hope so. Otherwise your fabulous, unstressed life will surely be cut short. Would be such a shame not to have you around to judge other people.

Not judging, just sharing what I know. And I don't eat red meat, eat lots of vegetables, and exercise. It is alarming that you think that makes me a lesser person somehow and that my life should be cut short.

You are judging. That’s exactly what your posts are all about.

Look, you can drink sometimes and the wheels aren’t going to fall off. I just wouldn’t do it all the time. Sometimes I drink wine and beer with my wife and we eat pizza. Crazy. Then I get up the next morning and even though I don’t feel all that great, I might go run for 10 miles or ride a bike with my friends for 60.

Life is about experiences. You can recognize alcohol is poison and still consume it sometimes.

I agree drinking occasionally is fine. In fact, I drink occasionally too. My posts were in response to people saying that 6 drinks a week is a good place for a woman to be. The science says that it will still catch up with women and could be harmful. A lot of women don't realize that. I only learned that recently and I want to help other women understand the implications of regular drinking. It doesn't make me "judgey", less fun, "tedious" or less worthy of living like you seem to think. The fact that you're somehow threatened by what I've posted says more about you, than it does me.

Who said the bolded? I'm one of the PPs disagreeing with you; what I said was, "Is it ideal? No. But it's SO much better than heavy drinking" - which I stand by.

Moreover, six drinks per week does slightly increase risk for some negative health consequences, but in the broad context of health, it's not particularly risky, i.e., the effect size is low.

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Anonymous wrote:I have really been exploring my relationship with alcohol this past year. Mainly, I am worried about my physical health but I also had the same realization of the amount of drinks per day really creeping up. I successfully implemented this plan (kind of stole this from the SunnySide App- which I never did but get ads for them all the time)

I started by tracking my drinks for 2 weeks. I was drinking 3-4 glasses of wine PER DAY during the work week and 4-6 on Fridays and Saturdays. (Insane! i was shocked by this). I was really thoughtless about having a beer with lunch on a Saturday or a glass of wine while making dinner during the week. It was so habitual to me...I had very much normalized that idea of having a glass of wine before dinner, one with dinner, and then 1-2 while watching TV after dinner.

After two weeks, I set a goal to have 15 drinks per week. (That still sounds like a lot but is less than the 30+ drinks I was having). This was actually not hard at all. The first week, I had 2 drinks per day, with 3 on the Saturday. The second week, I had three days with no alcohol and then two weekend nights with 5 drinks.

I then reduced my goal to 12 drinks and did a similar distribution- but this time, I really noticed how much better I felt on the days that I had no alcohol at all. This was motivating to me.

Then I reduced to 10 and that started to look like not drinking Sun-Wed. This worked well for me.

Currently, I allow my self 8 drinks per week and I have maintained this for almost 8 months. I don't drink on nights where I have to work the next day, and I don't cheat if there is a long weekend or holiday. If I have a social event during the work week, I either don't drink or I take a weekend night off. I notice a lot of benefits in terms of my sleep, weight, skin, sex drive, etc but what I also notice is that I am so much more comfy enjoying a single glass of wine without feeling the need to midndlessly pour another. I switch to seltzer or tea and it is totally fine.

I am aiming to go down to 6 drinks per week this month, which to me feels very manageable and realistic.

My message is: you can do it!

That is great. Keep cutting back. 6 per week is still high for health reasons

No, it's not, assuming it's one drink/day and not one day of six drinks. Is it ideal? No. But it's SO much better than heavy drinking - and huge kudos to you, PP, for cutting back as you've done. Keep it up. The less, the better - and also, we need to be realistic about alcohol consumption in the context of health overall (diet, exercise, sleep, relationships, etc.).

Even one or 2 drinks per week increases your odds of breast cancer.

Oh my god, you're so tedious. I hope you never eat red meat and three quarters of every plate you consume is composed of vegetables, and you get whatever the perfectly perfect amount of weekly exercise that is recommended now, and you get 9 hours of sleep each night and meditate to avoid stress and have a desk setup ergonomically adjusted by a professional.

Guess what? You'll still die. And you'll have had way less fun.

Hardly, I have lots of fun. I'm more present in my life, less stressed, a healthy weight, and feel fabulous! Sorry, or really not sorry, to disappoint you.

Okay, great! I'm a moderate drinker and also unstressed, a healthy weight, and feel fabulous. And don't feel the need to scare strangers on the internet with specious claims.

It is all science, not specious. You are brainwashed and just don’t want to hear it.

Nope. I looked this up, and it looks like 3 drinks a week is the number where it could potentially be an issue.

I also didn’t see you answer whether you comply with all other drastic health directives? I do hope so. Otherwise your fabulous, unstressed life will surely be cut short. Would be such a shame not to have you around to judge other people.

Not judging, just sharing what I know. And I don't eat red meat, eat lots of vegetables, and exercise. It is alarming that you think that makes me a lesser person somehow and that my life should be cut short.

You are judging. That’s exactly what your posts are all about.

Look, you can drink sometimes and the wheels aren’t going to fall off. I just wouldn’t do it all the time. Sometimes I drink wine and beer with my wife and we eat pizza. Crazy. Then I get up the next morning and even though I don’t feel all that great, I might go run for 10 miles or ride a bike with my friends for 60.

Life is about experiences. You can recognize alcohol is poison and still consume it sometimes.

I agree drinking occasionally is fine. In fact, I drink occasionally too. My posts were in response to people saying that 6 drinks a week is a good place for a woman to be. [url]The science says that it will still catch up with women and could be harmful. A lot of women don't realize that. I only learned that recently and I want to help other women understand the implications of regular drinking. It doesn't make me "judgey", less fun, "tedious" or less worthy of living like you seem to think. The fact that you're somehow threatened by what I've posted says more about you, than it does me.

No, you posted saying “even 2 drinks a week is bad for you.” If you weren’t the person who posted that, I have no idea why you responded to my post.

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Anonymous wrote:I have really been exploring my relationship with alcohol this past year. Mainly, I am worried about my physical health but I also had the same realization of the amount of drinks per day really creeping up. I successfully implemented this plan (kind of stole this from the SunnySide App- which I never did but get ads for them all the time)

I started by tracking my drinks for 2 weeks. I was drinking 3-4 glasses of wine PER DAY during the work week and 4-6 on Fridays and Saturdays. (Insane! i was shocked by this). I was really thoughtless about having a beer with lunch on a Saturday or a glass of wine while making dinner during the week. It was so habitual to me...I had very much normalized that idea of having a glass of wine before dinner, one with dinner, and then 1-2 while watching TV after dinner.

After two weeks, I set a goal to have 15 drinks per week. (That still sounds like a lot but is less than the 30+ drinks I was having). This was actually not hard at all. The first week, I had 2 drinks per day, with 3 on the Saturday. The second week, I had three days with no alcohol and then two weekend nights with 5 drinks.

I then reduced my goal to 12 drinks and did a similar distribution- but this time, I really noticed how much better I felt on the days that I had no alcohol at all. This was motivating to me.

Then I reduced to 10 and that started to look like not drinking Sun-Wed. This worked well for me.

Currently, I allow my self 8 drinks per week and I have maintained this for almost 8 months. I don't drink on nights where I have to work the next day, and I don't cheat if there is a long weekend or holiday. If I have a social event during the work week, I either don't drink or I take a weekend night off. I notice a lot of benefits in terms of my sleep, weight, skin, sex drive, etc but what I also notice is that I am so much more comfy enjoying a single glass of wine without feeling the need to midndlessly pour another. I switch to seltzer or tea and it is totally fine.

I am aiming to go down to 6 drinks per week this month, which to me feels very manageable and realistic.

My message is: you can do it!

That is great. Keep cutting back. 6 per week is still high for health reasons

No, it's not, assuming it's one drink/day and not one day of six drinks. Is it ideal? No. But it's SO much better than heavy drinking - and huge kudos to you, PP, for cutting back as you've done. Keep it up. The less, the better - and also, we need to be realistic about alcohol consumption in the context of health overall (diet, exercise, sleep, relationships, etc.).

Even one or 2 drinks per week increases your odds of breast cancer.

Oh my god, you're so tedious. I hope you never eat red meat and three quarters of every plate you consume is composed of vegetables, and you get whatever the perfectly perfect amount of weekly exercise that is recommended now, and you get 9 hours of sleep each night and meditate to avoid stress and have a desk setup ergonomically adjusted by a professional.

Guess what? You'll still die. And you'll have had way less fun.

Hardly, I have lots of fun. I'm more present in my life, less stressed, a healthy weight, and feel fabulous! Sorry, or really not sorry, to disappoint you.

Okay, great! I'm a moderate drinker and also unstressed, a healthy weight, and feel fabulous. And don't feel the need to scare strangers on the internet with specious claims.

It is all science, not specious. You are brainwashed and just don’t want to hear it.

Nope. I looked this up, and it looks like 3 drinks a week is the number where it could potentially be an issue.

I also didn’t see you answer whether you comply with all other drastic health directives? I do hope so. Otherwise your fabulous, unstressed life will surely be cut short. Would be such a shame not to have you around to judge other people.

Not judging, just sharing what I know. And I don't eat red meat, eat lots of vegetables, and exercise. It is alarming that you think that makes me a lesser person somehow and that my life should be cut short.

You are judging. That’s exactly what your posts are all about.

Look, you can drink sometimes and the wheels aren’t going to fall off. I just wouldn’t do it all the time. Sometimes I drink wine and beer with my wife and we eat pizza. Crazy. Then I get up the next morning and even though I don’t feel all that great, I might go run for 10 miles or ride a bike with my friends for 60.

Life is about experiences. You can recognize alcohol is poison and still consume it sometimes.

I agree drinking occasionally is fine. In fact, I drink occasionally too. My posts were in response to people saying that 6 drinks a week is a good place for a woman to be. [url]The science says that it will still catch up with women and could be harmful. A lot of women don't realize that. I only learned that recently and I want to help other women understand the implications of regular drinking. It doesn't make me "judgey", less fun, "tedious" or less worthy of living like you seem to think. The fact that you're somehow threatened by what I've posted says more about you, than it does me.

No, you posted saying “even 2 drinks a week is bad for you.” If you weren’t the person who posted that, I have no idea why you responded to my post.

Yes I did post that in respond to the pp saying she was trying to get to 6 drinks a week. And 2 drinks per week is NOT occasional. Listen to the Dr. Huberman lab podcast which lays out the percent increase in breast cancer risk for each drink per week. It is high! As a woman, I want to know these things. And the fact that you are quibbling that it is 3 versus 2 (not what Huberman says by the way) is “tedious.” You cannot stand women knowing more than you. I know the type. I am either wrong or tedious, not fun, or don’t deserve to live.

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Anonymous wrote:I have really been exploring my relationship with alcohol this past year. Mainly, I am worried about my physical health but I also had the same realization of the amount of drinks per day really creeping up. I successfully implemented this plan (kind of stole this from the SunnySide App- which I never did but get ads for them all the time)

I started by tracking my drinks for 2 weeks. I was drinking 3-4 glasses of wine PER DAY during the work week and 4-6 on Fridays and Saturdays. (Insane! i was shocked by this). I was really thoughtless about having a beer with lunch on a Saturday or a glass of wine while making dinner during the week. It was so habitual to me...I had very much normalized that idea of having a glass of wine before dinner, one with dinner, and then 1-2 while watching TV after dinner.

After two weeks, I set a goal to have 15 drinks per week. (That still sounds like a lot but is less than the 30+ drinks I was having). This was actually not hard at all. The first week, I had 2 drinks per day, with 3 on the Saturday. The second week, I had three days with no alcohol and then two weekend nights with 5 drinks.

I then reduced my goal to 12 drinks and did a similar distribution- but this time, I really noticed how much better I felt on the days that I had no alcohol at all. This was motivating to me.

Then I reduced to 10 and that started to look like not drinking Sun-Wed. This worked well for me.

Currently, I allow my self 8 drinks per week and I have maintained this for almost 8 months. I don't drink on nights where I have to work the next day, and I don't cheat if there is a long weekend or holiday. If I have a social event during the work week, I either don't drink or I take a weekend night off. I notice a lot of benefits in terms of my sleep, weight, skin, sex drive, etc but what I also notice is that I am so much more comfy enjoying a single glass of wine without feeling the need to midndlessly pour another. I switch to seltzer or tea and it is totally fine.

I am aiming to go down to 6 drinks per week this month, which to me feels very manageable and realistic.

My message is: you can do it!

That is great. Keep cutting back. 6 per week is still high for health reasons

No, it's not, assuming it's one drink/day and not one day of six drinks. Is it ideal? No. But it's SO much better than heavy drinking - and huge kudos to you, PP, for cutting back as you've done. Keep it up. The less, the better - and also, we need to be realistic about alcohol consumption in the context of health overall (diet, exercise, sleep, relationships, etc.).

Even one or 2 drinks per week increases your odds of breast cancer.

Oh my god, you're so tedious. I hope you never eat red meat and three quarters of every plate you consume is composed of vegetables, and you get whatever the perfectly perfect amount of weekly exercise that is recommended now, and you get 9 hours of sleep each night and meditate to avoid stress and have a desk setup ergonomically adjusted by a professional.

Guess what? You'll still die. And you'll have had way less fun.

Hardly, I have lots of fun. I'm more present in my life, less stressed, a healthy weight, and feel fabulous! Sorry, or really not sorry, to disappoint you.

Okay, great! I'm a moderate drinker and also unstressed, a healthy weight, and feel fabulous. And don't feel the need to scare strangers on the internet with specious claims.

It is all science, not specious. You are brainwashed and just don’t want to hear it.

Nope. I looked this up, and it looks like 3 drinks a week is the number where it could potentially be an issue.

I also didn’t see you answer whether you comply with all other drastic health directives? I do hope so. Otherwise your fabulous, unstressed life will surely be cut short. Would be such a shame not to have you around to judge other people.

Not judging, just sharing what I know. And I don't eat red meat, eat lots of vegetables, and exercise. It is alarming that you think that makes me a lesser person somehow and that my life should be cut short.

You are judging. That’s exactly what your posts are all about.

Look, you can drink sometimes and the wheels aren’t going to fall off. I just wouldn’t do it all the time. Sometimes I drink wine and beer with my wife and we eat pizza. Crazy. Then I get up the next morning and even though I don’t feel all that great, I might go run for 10 miles or ride a bike with my friends for 60.

Life is about experiences. You can recognize alcohol is poison and still consume it sometimes.

I agree drinking occasionally is fine. In fact, I drink occasionally too. My posts were in response to people saying that 6 drinks a week is a good place for a woman to be. The science says that it will still catch up with women and could be harmful. A lot of women don't realize that. I only learned that recently and I want to help other women understand the implications of regular drinking. It doesn't make me "judgey", less fun, "tedious" or less worthy of living like you seem to think. The fact that you're somehow threatened by what I've posted says more about you, than it does me.

No you just judgey jane

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Anonymous wrote:I have really been exploring my relationship with alcohol this past year. Mainly, I am worried about my physical health but I also had the same realization of the amount of drinks per day really creeping up. I successfully implemented this plan (kind of stole this from the SunnySide App- which I never did but get ads for them all the time)

I started by tracking my drinks for 2 weeks. I was drinking 3-4 glasses of wine PER DAY during the work week and 4-6 on Fridays and Saturdays. (Insane! i was shocked by this). I was really thoughtless about having a beer with lunch on a Saturday or a glass of wine while making dinner during the week. It was so habitual to me...I had very much normalized that idea of having a glass of wine before dinner, one with dinner, and then 1-2 while watching TV after dinner.

After two weeks, I set a goal to have 15 drinks per week. (That still sounds like a lot but is less than the 30+ drinks I was having). This was actually not hard at all. The first week, I had 2 drinks per day, with 3 on the Saturday. The second week, I had three days with no alcohol and then two weekend nights with 5 drinks.

I then reduced my goal to 12 drinks and did a similar distribution- but this time, I really noticed how much better I felt on the days that I had no alcohol at all. This was motivating to me.

Then I reduced to 10 and that started to look like not drinking Sun-Wed. This worked well for me.

Currently, I allow my self 8 drinks per week and I have maintained this for almost 8 months. I don't drink on nights where I have to work the next day, and I don't cheat if there is a long weekend or holiday. If I have a social event during the work week, I either don't drink or I take a weekend night off. I notice a lot of benefits in terms of my sleep, weight, skin, sex drive, etc but what I also notice is that I am so much more comfy enjoying a single glass of wine without feeling the need to midndlessly pour another. I switch to seltzer or tea and it is totally fine.

I am aiming to go down to 6 drinks per week this month, which to me feels very manageable and realistic.

My message is: you can do it!

That is great. Keep cutting back. 6 per week is still high for health reasons

No, it's not, assuming it's one drink/day and not one day of six drinks. Is it ideal? No. But it's SO much better than heavy drinking - and huge kudos to you, PP, for cutting back as you've done. Keep it up. The less, the better - and also, we need to be realistic about alcohol consumption in the context of health overall (diet, exercise, sleep, relationships, etc.).

Even one or 2 drinks per week increases your odds of breast cancer.

Oh my god, you're so tedious. I hope you never eat red meat and three quarters of every plate you consume is composed of vegetables, and you get whatever the perfectly perfect amount of weekly exercise that is recommended now, and you get 9 hours of sleep each night and meditate to avoid stress and have a desk setup ergonomically adjusted by a professional.

Guess what? You'll still die. And you'll have had way less fun.

Hardly, I have lots of fun. I'm more present in my life, less stressed, a healthy weight, and feel fabulous! Sorry, or really not sorry, to disappoint you.

Okay, great! I'm a moderate drinker and also unstressed, a healthy weight, and feel fabulous. And don't feel the need to scare strangers on the internet with specious claims.

It is all science, not specious. You are brainwashed and just don’t want to hear it.

Nope. I looked this up, and it looks like 3 drinks a week is the number where it could potentially be an issue.

I also didn’t see you answer whether you comply with all other drastic health directives? I do hope so. Otherwise your fabulous, unstressed life will surely be cut short. Would be such a shame not to have you around to judge other people.

Not judging, just sharing what I know. And I don't eat red meat, eat lots of vegetables, and exercise. It is alarming that you think that makes me a lesser person somehow and that my life should be cut short.

You are judging. That’s exactly what your posts are all about.

Look, you can drink sometimes and the wheels aren’t going to fall off. I just wouldn’t do it all the time. Sometimes I drink wine and beer with my wife and we eat pizza. Crazy. Then I get up the next morning and even though I don’t feel all that great, I might go run for 10 miles or ride a bike with my friends for 60.

Life is about experiences. You can recognize alcohol is poison and still consume it sometimes.

I agree drinking occasionally is fine. In fact, I drink occasionally too. My posts were in response to people saying that 6 drinks a week is a good place for a woman to be. [url]The science says that it will still catch up with women and could be harmful. A lot of women don't realize that. I only learned that recently and I want to help other women understand the implications of regular drinking. It doesn't make me "judgey", less fun, "tedious" or less worthy of living like you seem to think. The fact that you're somehow threatened by what I've posted says more about you, than it does me.

No, you posted saying “even 2 drinks a week is bad for you.” If you weren’t the person who posted that, I have no idea why you responded to my post.

Yes I did post that in respond to the pp saying she was trying to get to 6 drinks a week. And 2 drinks per week is NOT occasional. Listen to the Dr. Huberman lab podcast which lays out the percent increase in breast cancer risk for each drink per week. It is high! As a woman, I want to know these things. And the fact that you are quibbling that it is 3 versus 2 (not what Huberman says by the way) is “tedious.” You cannot stand women knowing more than you. I know the type. I am either wrong or tedious, not fun, or don’t deserve to live.

Podcasts don’t change the meaning of the word occasional. I’m sure these observational studies have all sorts of flaws.

Being alive carries a risk of developing cancer. Get busy living or get busy dying.

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I am pretty social and have dinners/ birthdays about 2-3 times a week. What I found works the very best for me is to 1. don’t buy alcohol at home at all. Drinking at home is a habit. My husband and I have opened maybe 2-3 bottles of wine at home alone in the ten years we have been married! That might be sad to some people but we have alcoholics in our family so try to be aware of it. If you like entertaining switch it up and do some sort of fancy cocktail when people come over. I find cocktails aren’t as easy to drink more than 1 or 2. 2. If you’re social, offer to drive and just have 1 max. If I’m driving I know I won’t go overboard and same thing, I’ll get a cocktail because wine is more temping to have a 2 or 3rd glass.

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Anonymous wrote:I have really been exploring my relationship with alcohol this past year. Mainly, I am worried about my physical health but I also had the same realization of the amount of drinks per day really creeping up. I successfully implemented this plan (kind of stole this from the SunnySide App- which I never did but get ads for them all the time)

I started by tracking my drinks for 2 weeks. I was drinking 3-4 glasses of wine PER DAY during the work week and 4-6 on Fridays and Saturdays. (Insane! i was shocked by this). I was really thoughtless about having a beer with lunch on a Saturday or a glass of wine while making dinner during the week. It was so habitual to me...I had very much normalized that idea of having a glass of wine before dinner, one with dinner, and then 1-2 while watching TV after dinner.

After two weeks, I set a goal to have 15 drinks per week. (That still sounds like a lot but is less than the 30+ drinks I was having). This was actually not hard at all. The first week, I had 2 drinks per day, with 3 on the Saturday. The second week, I had three days with no alcohol and then two weekend nights with 5 drinks.

I then reduced my goal to 12 drinks and did a similar distribution- but this time, I really noticed how much better I felt on the days that I had no alcohol at all. This was motivating to me.

Then I reduced to 10 and that started to look like not drinking Sun-Wed. This worked well for me.

Currently, I allow my self 8 drinks per week and I have maintained this for almost 8 months. I don't drink on nights where I have to work the next day, and I don't cheat if there is a long weekend or holiday. If I have a social event during the work week, I either don't drink or I take a weekend night off. I notice a lot of benefits in terms of my sleep, weight, skin, sex drive, etc but what I also notice is that I am so much more comfy enjoying a single glass of wine without feeling the need to midndlessly pour another. I switch to seltzer or tea and it is totally fine.

I am aiming to go down to 6 drinks per week this month, which to me feels very manageable and realistic.

My message is: you can do it!

That is great. Keep cutting back. 6 per week is still high for health reasons

No, it's not, assuming it's one drink/day and not one day of six drinks. Is it ideal? No. But it's SO much better than heavy drinking - and huge kudos to you, PP, for cutting back as you've done. Keep it up. The less, the better - and also, we need to be realistic about alcohol consumption in the context of health overall (diet, exercise, sleep, relationships, etc.).

Even one or 2 drinks per week increases your odds of breast cancer.

Oh my god, you're so tedious. I hope you never eat red meat and three quarters of every plate you consume is composed of vegetables, and you get whatever the perfectly perfect amount of weekly exercise that is recommended now, and you get 9 hours of sleep each night and meditate to avoid stress and have a desk setup ergonomically adjusted by a professional.

Guess what? You'll still die. And you'll have had way less fun.

Hardly, I have lots of fun. I'm more present in my life, less stressed, a healthy weight, and feel fabulous! Sorry, or really not sorry, to disappoint you.

Okay, great! I'm a moderate drinker and also unstressed, a healthy weight, and feel fabulous. And don't feel the need to scare strangers on the internet with specious claims.

It is all science, not specious. You are brainwashed and just don’t want to hear it.

Nope. I looked this up, and it looks like 3 drinks a week is the number where it could potentially be an issue.

I also didn’t see you answer whether you comply with all other drastic health directives? I do hope so. Otherwise your fabulous, unstressed life will surely be cut short. Would be such a shame not to have you around to judge other people.

Not judging, just sharing what I know. And I don't eat red meat, eat lots of vegetables, and exercise. It is alarming that you think that makes me a lesser person somehow and that my life should be cut short.

You are judging. That’s exactly what your posts are all about.

Look, you can drink sometimes and the wheels aren’t going to fall off. I just wouldn’t do it all the time. Sometimes I drink wine and beer with my wife and we eat pizza. Crazy. Then I get up the next morning and even though I don’t feel all that great, I might go run for 10 miles or ride a bike with my friends for 60.

Life is about experiences. You can recognize alcohol is poison and still consume it sometimes.

I agree drinking occasionally is fine. In fact, I drink occasionally too. My posts were in response to people saying that 6 drinks a week is a good place for a woman to be. [url]The science says that it will still catch up with women and could be harmful. A lot of women don't realize that. I only learned that recently and I want to help other women understand the implications of regular drinking. It doesn't make me "judgey", less fun, "tedious" or less worthy of living like you seem to think. The fact that you're somehow threatened by what I've posted says more about you, than it does me.

No, you posted saying “even 2 drinks a week is bad for you.” If you weren’t the person who posted that, I have no idea why you responded to my post.

Yes I did post that in respond to the pp saying she was trying to get to 6 drinks a week. And 2 drinks per week is NOT occasional. Listen to the Dr. Huberman lab podcast which lays out the percent increase in breast cancer risk for each drink per week. It is high! As a woman, I want to know these things. And the fact that you are quibbling that it is 3 versus 2 (not what Huberman says by the way) is “tedious.” You cannot stand women knowing more than you. I know the type. I am either wrong or tedious, not fun, or don’t deserve to live.

DP: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3832299/

The NEJM article that Huberman linked to from the podcast is from 1987 (!).

I know you're well-intentioned, I do. But as you can see from this thread, your actions are having the opposite effect *specifically* because your message is too extreme. Health communications is an important discipline. You can "know" things for yourself, but what you don't know, apparently, is how carefully messages around health behavior need to be communicated. It's not enough to have information; it has to be communicated in a way the audience will take in.

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This whole fight about whether it’s ok to drink 6 drinks a week is ridiculous. Most people I’ve interacted with online when I’ve been trying to cut back and then quit have been so supportive, whichever path I was on. Going from 3 drinks a night to 1 drink a night is a meaningful change and something to be proud of. Quitting is also awesome. Even just waking up to the realization that it might be time to look more closely at your habits is an important step. Everyone has their own relationship with alcohol to contend with, and everyone’s health priorities are going to be different, especially as we age and our lives evolve. When someone is ready to view 6 drinks as too many, something in their life will bring them to that realization, and somehow I doubt a lecture from a stranger on DCUM will be the catalyst for change!

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Anonymous wrote:This whole fight about whether it’s ok to drink 6 drinks a week is ridiculous. Most people I’ve interacted with online when I’ve been trying to cut back and then quit have been so supportive, whichever path I was on. Going from 3 drinks a night to 1 drink a night is a meaningful change and something to be proud of. Quitting is also awesome. Even just waking up to the realization that it might be time to look more closely at your habits is an important step. Everyone has their own relationship with alcohol to contend with, and everyone’s health priorities are going to be different, especially as we age and our lives evolve. When someone is ready to view 6 drinks as too many, something in their life will bring them to that realization, and somehow I doubt a lecture from a stranger on DCUM will be the catalyst for change![/quote

What is ridiculous is how defensive people apparently are about anyone challenging their drinking. So I should let this person continue damaging behavior until they figure out that they’re damaging their brain and increasing their risk of breast cancer significantly? They came on forum to talk about it, for Christ’s sake. The one topic we have tip toe around here, it is nuts. There is a more reasonable discussion on the health board. Lots of defensiveness but not personal attacks.

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As ridiculous as the overweight brigade coming up with all kinds of defensive and wildly complicated reasons why their intake habits are the real problem?

This forum:
Disagree with wild overstatements about alcohol -> ridiculous.

Disagree with the idea that the vast majority of obesity is a mismatch of intake requirements -> trolling blasphemy.

Makes a ton of sense.

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This post is so weird to me in the dieting forum. If an overweight person posted here that they were eating fries or ice cream 6 days a week they would have hell to pay here, but 6 drinks a week is okay. Make it sense to this non drinking ice cream eater. Because 6 drinks a week sounds like an alcoholic to me. But again, I don't drink.

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Anonymous wrote:This post is so weird to me in the dieting forum. If an overweight person posted here that they were eating fries or ice cream 6 days a week they would have hell to pay here, but 6 drinks a week is okay. Make it sense to this non drinking ice cream eater. Because 6 drinks a week sounds like an alcoholic to me. But again, I don't drink.

Agree! And not only that, don’t you dare suggest that 6 drinks a week is damaging to your health (far more so than daily ice cream!). A statement that the medical community universally accepts.

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Anonymous wrote:I have really been exploring my relationship with alcohol this past year. Mainly, I am worried about my physical health but I also had the same realization of the amount of drinks per day really creeping up. I successfully implemented this plan (kind of stole this from the SunnySide App- which I never did but get ads for them all the time)

I started by tracking my drinks for 2 weeks. I was drinking 3-4 glasses of wine PER DAY during the work week and 4-6 on Fridays and Saturdays. (Insane! i was shocked by this). I was really thoughtless about having a beer with lunch on a Saturday or a glass of wine while making dinner during the week. It was so habitual to me...I had very much normalized that idea of having a glass of wine before dinner, one with dinner, and then 1-2 while watching TV after dinner.

After two weeks, I set a goal to have 15 drinks per week. (That still sounds like a lot but is less than the 30+ drinks I was having). This was actually not hard at all. The first week, I had 2 drinks per day, with 3 on the Saturday. The second week, I had three days with no alcohol and then two weekend nights with 5 drinks.

I then reduced my goal to 12 drinks and did a similar distribution- but this time, I really noticed how much better I felt on the days that I had no alcohol at all. This was motivating to me.

Then I reduced to 10 and that started to look like not drinking Sun-Wed. This worked well for me.

Currently, I allow my self 8 drinks per week and I have maintained this for almost 8 months. I don't drink on nights where I have to work the next day, and I don't cheat if there is a long weekend or holiday. If I have a social event during the work week, I either don't drink or I take a weekend night off. I notice a lot of benefits in terms of my sleep, weight, skin, sex drive, etc but what I also notice is that I am so much more comfy enjoying a single glass of wine without feeling the need to midndlessly pour another. I switch to seltzer or tea and it is totally fine.

I am aiming to go down to 6 drinks per week this month, which to me feels very manageable and realistic.

My message is: you can do it!

That is great. Keep cutting back. 6 per week is still high for health reasons

No, it's not, assuming it's one drink/day and not one day of six drinks. Is it ideal? No. But it's SO much better than heavy drinking - and huge kudos to you, PP, for cutting back as you've done. Keep it up. The less, the better - and also, we need to be realistic about alcohol consumption in the context of health overall (diet, exercise, sleep, relationships, etc.).

Even one or 2 drinks per week increases your odds of breast cancer.

Oh my god, you're so tedious. I hope you never eat red meat and three quarters of every plate you consume is composed of vegetables, and you get whatever the perfectly perfect amount of weekly exercise that is recommended now, and you get 9 hours of sleep each night and meditate to avoid stress and have a desk setup ergonomically adjusted by a professional.

Guess what? You'll still die. And you'll have had way less fun.

Hardly, I have lots of fun. I'm more present in my life, less stressed, a healthy weight, and feel fabulous! Sorry, or really not sorry, to disappoint you.

Okay, great! I'm a moderate drinker and also unstressed, a healthy weight, and feel fabulous. And don't feel the need to scare strangers on the internet with specious claims.

It is all science, not specious. You are brainwashed and just don’t want to hear it.

Nope. I looked this up, and it looks like 3 drinks a week is the number where it could potentially be an issue.

I also didn’t see you answer whether you comply with all other drastic health directives? I do hope so. Otherwise your fabulous, unstressed life will surely be cut short. Would be such a shame not to have you around to judge other people.

Not judging, just sharing what I know. And I don't eat red meat, eat lots of vegetables, and exercise. It is alarming that you think that makes me a lesser person somehow and that my life should be cut short.

You are judging. That’s exactly what your posts are all about.

Look, you can drink sometimes and the wheels aren’t going to fall off. I just wouldn’t do it all the time. Sometimes I drink wine and beer with my wife and we eat pizza. Crazy. Then I get up the next morning and even though I don’t feel all that great, I might go run for 10 miles or ride a bike with my friends for 60.

Life is about experiences. You can recognize alcohol is poison and still consume it sometimes.

I agree drinking occasionally is fine. In fact, I drink occasionally too. My posts were in response to people saying that 6 drinks a week is a good place for a woman to be. [url]The science says that it will still catch up with women and could be harmful. A lot of women don't realize that. I only learned that recently and I want to help other women understand the implications of regular drinking. It doesn't make me "judgey", less fun, "tedious" or less worthy of living like you seem to think. The fact that you're somehow threatened by what I've posted says more about you, than it does me.

No, you posted saying “even 2 drinks a week is bad for you.” If you weren’t the person who posted that, I have no idea why you responded to my post.

Yes I did post that in respond to the pp saying she was trying to get to 6 drinks a week. And 2 drinks per week is NOT occasional. Listen to the Dr. Huberman lab podcast which lays out the percent increase in breast cancer risk for each drink per week. It is high! As a woman, I want to know these things. And the fact that you are quibbling that it is 3 versus 2 (not what Huberman says by the way) is “tedious.” You cannot stand women knowing more than you. I know the type. I am either wrong or tedious, not fun, or don’t deserve to live.

First off, you’re arguing with another woman, and I never said you’re “wrong, tedious, not fun, or don’t deserve to live.” Hyperbolic much? Although I do think you’re wrong and don’t sound like much fun, you got me there! Second, why is Huberman the last word in alcohol consumption? You’re way too trusting of a single source. Everyone has an agenda, including doctors.

Basically I just think you were really shitty to scold to someone who has cut their drinking from 30+ drinks a week down to 6. This person has achieved a huge success, and you were there with your prissed-up mouth, telling her it’s still not good enough. Eff you!