Stop the FCV (DA) and McLean (ECNL) hate

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Many of you are just too dense to leave behind the dilution narrative. Dilution is an issue but McLean and FCV in current form will continue to dominate. Others clubs, both weaker ECNL/DA clubs and independent clubs will suffer. McLean's 05 time was a disaster last year, finishing at or near the bottom of it ECNL division. They lost a group of players to WS VA and maybe Arlington yet the team picked up several strong players from independent clubs and is now a #2 seed in the ECNL playoffs while also wining the August Cup and finishing as runner-up to the top bracket at JeffCup. FCV 05 picked up some strong players from independent clubs. Those players also had access to WS VA yet selected FCV. I also know players leaving clubs like Bethesda for McLean.

I agree that dilution is real but McLean and FCV in their current respective forms will still offer more than other ECNL/DA programs, i.e. they will get the best of those looking for elite soccer.

Well let us know how that playoff goes. All of their success is in an area where the majority of high level talent is not in ECNL. That's how our area is, nothing on a forum will change that. All of their success is in a division where VDA is their closest competition. We can all stop lying to ourselves. Go on YouTube and watch the 05 VDA vs McLean game, the VDA vs Loudoun game. These are not good games, and its not good soccer. Over half the kids do not possess the ability to bring a ball to ground from the air, among other lack of touch items. Its a game played with your feet and watching these games its hard to tell who knows that. Now that's not on the kids, its on the clubs, and your kid isn't reading this forum, so please, don't get all hurt over it. Instead get to work on the things the kid/s need to do. Because being king or queen of a bad division wont add up to much.

Wow. I just watched parts of the 05 VDA vs McLean. Terrible. Criticize FCV all you want, EVERY age group is way ahead of both these teams.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Many of you are just too dense to leave behind the dilution narrative. Dilution is an issue but McLean and FCV in current form will continue to dominate. Others clubs, both weaker ECNL/DA clubs and independent clubs will suffer. McLean's 05 time was a disaster last year, finishing at or near the bottom of it ECNL division. They lost a group of players to WS VA and maybe Arlington yet the team picked up several strong players from independent clubs and is now a #2 seed in the ECNL playoffs while also wining the August Cup and finishing as runner-up to the top bracket at JeffCup. FCV 05 picked up some strong players from independent clubs. Those players also had access to WS VA yet selected FCV. I also know players leaving clubs like Bethesda for McLean.

I agree that dilution is real but McLean and FCV in their current respective forms will still offer more than other ECNL/DA programs, i.e. they will get the best of those looking for elite soccer.

Not really. The 05 team last year had WAY more talent, but the team never came together. The players that left were the best the team had and it shows in how they play today. The MA ECNL conference and record IS NOT indicative of how good this team is. There is/was no DA at U13 last year so there was no dilution between DA/ECNL. The best teams a club had to offer were ECNL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Many of you are just too dense to leave behind the dilution narrative. Dilution is an issue but McLean and FCV in current form will continue to dominate. Others clubs, both weaker ECNL/DA clubs and independent clubs will suffer. McLean's 05 time was a disaster last year, finishing at or near the bottom of it ECNL division. They lost a group of players to WS VA and maybe Arlington yet the team picked up several strong players from independent clubs and is now a #2 seed in the ECNL playoffs while also wining the August Cup and finishing as runner-up to the top bracket at JeffCup. FCV 05 picked up some strong players from independent clubs. Those players also had access to WS VA yet selected FCV. I also know players leaving clubs like Bethesda for McLean.

I agree that dilution is real but McLean and FCV in their current respective forms will still offer more than other ECNL/DA programs, i.e. they will get the best of those looking for elite soccer.

Well let us know how that playoff goes. All of their success is in an area where the majority of high level talent is not in ECNL. That's how our area is, nothing on a forum will change that. All of their success is in a division where VDA is their closest competition. We can all stop lying to ourselves. Go on YouTube and watch the 05 VDA vs McLean game, the VDA vs Loudoun game. These are not good games, and its not good soccer. Over half the kids do not possess the ability to bring a ball to ground from the air, among other lack of touch items. Its a game played with your feet and watching these games its hard to tell who knows that. Now that's not on the kids, its on the clubs, and your kid isn't reading this forum, so please, don't get all hurt over it. Instead get to work on the things the kid/s need to do. Because being king or queen of a bad division wont add up to much.

Wow. I just watched parts of the 05 VDA vs McLean. Terrible. Criticize FCV all you want, EVERY age group is way ahead of both these teams.

Exactly. I have a daughter in DA, but Ive watched a lot of the ECNL games. People need to be more realistic about the difference between the two. I don’t think any of the local DA’s are that low. Are there players in DA that aren’t ready yet? Yeah, and more so on current spirit and Arlington teams, but facing facts I haven’t seen one DA game that looked like those games described above do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Many of you are just too dense to leave behind the dilution narrative. Dilution is an issue but McLean and FCV in current form will continue to dominate. Others clubs, both weaker ECNL/DA clubs and independent clubs will suffer. McLean's 05 time was a disaster last year, finishing at or near the bottom of it ECNL division. They lost a group of players to WS VA and maybe Arlington yet the team picked up several strong players from independent clubs and is now a #2 seed in the ECNL playoffs while also wining the August Cup and finishing as runner-up to the top bracket at JeffCup. FCV 05 picked up some strong players from independent clubs. Those players also had access to WS VA yet selected FCV. I also know players leaving clubs like Bethesda for McLean.

I agree that dilution is real but McLean and FCV in their current respective forms will still offer more than other ECNL/DA programs, i.e. they will get the best of those looking for elite soccer.

Well let us know how that playoff goes. All of their success is in an area where the majority of high level talent is not in ECNL. That's how our area is, nothing on a forum will change that. All of their success is in a division where VDA is their closest competition. We can all stop lying to ourselves. Go on YouTube and watch the 05 VDA vs McLean game, the VDA vs Loudoun game. These are not good games, and its not good soccer. Over half the kids do not possess the ability to bring a ball to ground from the air, among other lack of touch items. Its a game played with your feet and watching these games its hard to tell who knows that. Now that's not on the kids, its on the clubs, and your kid isn't reading this forum, so please, don't get all hurt over it. Instead get to work on the things the kid/s need to do. Because being king or queen of a bad division wont add up to much.

And FCV is in a tough division?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Many of you are just too dense to leave behind the dilution narrative. Dilution is an issue but McLean and FCV in current form will continue to dominate. Others clubs, both weaker ECNL/DA clubs and independent clubs will suffer. McLean's 05 time was a disaster last year, finishing at or near the bottom of it ECNL division. They lost a group of players to WS VA and maybe Arlington yet the team picked up several strong players from independent clubs and is now a #2 seed in the ECNL playoffs while also wining the August Cup and finishing as runner-up to the top bracket at JeffCup. FCV 05 picked up some strong players from independent clubs. Those players also had access to WS VA yet selected FCV. I also know players leaving clubs like Bethesda for McLean.

I agree that dilution is real but McLean and FCV in their current respective forms will still offer more than other ECNL/DA programs, i.e. they will get the best of those looking for elite soccer.

Well let us know how that playoff goes. All of their success is in an area where the majority of high level talent is not in ECNL. That's how our area is, nothing on a forum will change that. All of their success is in a division where VDA is their closest competition. We can all stop lying to ourselves. Go on YouTube and watch the 05 VDA vs McLean game, the VDA vs Loudoun game. These are not good games, and its not good soccer. Over half the kids do not possess the ability to bring a ball to ground from the air, among other lack of touch items. Its a game played with your feet and watching these games its hard to tell who knows that. Now that's not on the kids, its on the clubs, and your kid isn't reading this forum, so please, don't get all hurt over it. Instead get to work on the things the kid/s need to do. Because being king or queen of a bad division wont add up to much.

And FCV is in a tough division?

Varies by age group, but yes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Many of you are just too dense to leave behind the dilution narrative. Dilution is an issue but McLean and FCV in current form will continue to dominate. Others clubs, both weaker ECNL/DA clubs and independent clubs will suffer. McLean's 05 time was a disaster last year, finishing at or near the bottom of it ECNL division. They lost a group of players to WS VA and maybe Arlington yet the team picked up several strong players from independent clubs and is now a #2 seed in the ECNL playoffs while also wining the August Cup and finishing as runner-up to the top bracket at JeffCup. FCV 05 picked up some strong players from independent clubs. Those players also had access to WS VA yet selected FCV. I also know players leaving clubs like Bethesda for McLean.

I agree that dilution is real but McLean and FCV in their current respective forms will still offer more than other ECNL/DA programs, i.e. they will get the best of those looking for elite soccer.

Well let us know how that playoff goes. All of their success is in an area where the majority of high level talent is not in ECNL. That's how our area is, nothing on a forum will change that. All of their success is in a division where VDA is their closest competition. We can all stop lying to ourselves. Go on YouTube and watch the 05 VDA vs McLean game, the VDA vs Loudoun game. These are not good games, and its not good soccer. Over half the kids do not possess the ability to bring a ball to ground from the air, among other lack of touch items. Its a game played with your feet and watching these games its hard to tell who knows that. Now that's not on the kids, its on the clubs, and your kid isn't reading this forum, so please, don't get all hurt over it. Instead get to work on the things the kid/s need to do. Because being king or queen of a bad division wont add up to much.

And FCV is in a tough division?

Varies by age group, but yes.

LOL!!! Ok

[Anonymous]

First, you have to be a complete moron to to judge a team based on one outing. Was Brazil a horrible team because it looked horrible in a 1-7 loss to Germany in the 2014 WC.

All I am saying is that McLean and FCV are the two strongest elite clubs in the DMV Pipeline in Baltimore is the only club that can challenge them. Even with more options, McLean and FCV will get a serious look from elite players.

McLean 05 is a solid team that has come together under a legendary coach. Also, rumor has it that two FCV players who received offers to the DA are instead going to McLean ECNL. This proves my point -- Elite players will chose McLean or FCV depending on interest in HS soccer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Many of you are just too dense to leave behind the dilution narrative. Dilution is an issue but McLean and FCV in current form will continue to dominate. Others clubs, both weaker ECNL/DA clubs and independent clubs will suffer. McLean's 05 time was a disaster last year, finishing at or near the bottom of it ECNL division. They lost a group of players to WS VA and maybe Arlington yet the team picked up several strong players from independent clubs and is now a #2 seed in the ECNL playoffs while also wining the August Cup and finishing as runner-up to the top bracket at JeffCup. FCV 05 picked up some strong players from independent clubs. Those players also had access to WS VA yet selected FCV. I also know players leaving clubs like Bethesda for McLean.

I agree that dilution is real but McLean and FCV in their current respective forms will still offer more than other ECNL/DA programs, i.e. they will get the best of those looking for elite soccer.

Well let us know how that playoff goes. All of their success is in an area where the majority of high level talent is not in ECNL. That's how our area is, nothing on a forum will change that. All of their success is in a division where VDA is their closest competition. We can all stop lying to ourselves. Go on YouTube and watch the 05 VDA vs McLean game, the VDA vs Loudoun game. These are not good games, and its not good soccer. Over half the kids do not possess the ability to bring a ball to ground from the air, among other lack of touch items. Its a game played with your feet and watching these games its hard to tell who knows that. Now that's not on the kids, its on the clubs, and your kid isn't reading this forum, so please, don't get all hurt over it. Instead get to work on the things the kid/s need to do. Because being king or queen of a bad division wont add up to much.

And FCV is in a tough division?

Varies by age group, but yes.

LOL!!! Ok

Heres how tough it is. One of the ECNL's best teams in the division lost to one of the lowest ranked teams in DA in the division. Folks can LOL all they want. Watch the games and if you still think that's good soccer and everything is alright then enjoy the recruiting process. Oh and cross your fingers that Clyde or Nadar doesn't replace your kid at U16-U18.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:First, you have to be a complete moron to to judge a team based on one outing. Was Brazil a horrible team because it looked horrible in a 1-7 loss to Germany in the 2014 WC.

All I am saying is that McLean and FCV are the two strongest elite clubs in the DMV Pipeline in Baltimore is the only club that can challenge them. Even with more options, McLean and FCV will get a serious look from elite players.

McLean 05 is a solid team that has come together under a legendary coach. Also, rumor has it that two FCV players who received offers to the DA are instead going to McLean ECNL. This proves my point -- Elite players will chose McLean or FCV depending on interest in HS soccer.

One outing? You think people haven't seen them play? You really think that? For those that haven't let me explain one thing. You don't generally lose all sense of tactical understanding game to game at this age/level. I'm not here to even argue league vs league. I'm simply saying that there is a difference and if you want ECNL to be what that fantasy in your head is then be realistic about the kids and get training. And not that academy day these clubs offer on Mondays. Real training folks. Cause one day youll have to play that PDA team.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Many of you are just too dense to leave behind the dilution narrative. Dilution is an issue but McLean and FCV in current form will continue to dominate. Others clubs, both weaker ECNL/DA clubs and independent clubs will suffer. McLean's 05 time was a disaster last year, finishing at or near the bottom of it ECNL division. They lost a group of players to WS VA and maybe Arlington yet the team picked up several strong players from independent clubs and is now a #2 seed in the ECNL playoffs while also wining the August Cup and finishing as runner-up to the top bracket at JeffCup. FCV 05 picked up some strong players from independent clubs. Those players also had access to WS VA yet selected FCV. I also know players leaving clubs like Bethesda for McLean.

I agree that dilution is real but McLean and FCV in their current respective forms will still offer more than other ECNL/DA programs, i.e. they will get the best of those looking for elite soccer.

Yawn. Past performance is no guarantee of future performance. My DD will do what is convenient and will get her seen — and that would have been FCV or Mclean 3 years ago, but it’s not anymore.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Many of you are just too dense to leave behind the dilution narrative. Dilution is an issue but McLean and FCV in current form will continue to dominate. Others clubs, both weaker ECNL/DA clubs and independent clubs will suffer. McLean's 05 time was a disaster last year, finishing at or near the bottom of it ECNL division. They lost a group of players to WS VA and maybe Arlington yet the team picked up several strong players from independent clubs and is now a #2 seed in the ECNL playoffs while also wining the August Cup and finishing as runner-up to the top bracket at JeffCup. FCV 05 picked up some strong players from independent clubs. Those players also had access to WS VA yet selected FCV. I also know players leaving clubs like Bethesda for McLean.

I agree that dilution is real but McLean and FCV in their current respective forms will still offer more than other ECNL/DA programs, i.e. they will get the best of those looking for elite soccer.

Yawn. Past performance is no guarantee of future performance. My DD will do what is convenient and will get her seen — and that would have been FCV or Mclean 3 years ago, but it’s not anymore.

And it will NOT be Loudoun until there is a complete overhaul of staff there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Many of you are just too dense to leave behind the dilution narrative. Dilution is an issue but McLean and FCV in current form will continue to dominate. Others clubs, both weaker ECNL/DA clubs and independent clubs will suffer. McLean's 05 time was a disaster last year, finishing at or near the bottom of it ECNL division. They lost a group of players to WS VA and maybe Arlington yet the team picked up several strong players from independent clubs and is now a #2 seed in the ECNL playoffs while also wining the August Cup and finishing as runner-up to the top bracket at JeffCup. FCV 05 picked up some strong players from independent clubs. Those players also had access to WS VA yet selected FCV. I also know players leaving clubs like Bethesda for McLean.

I agree that dilution is real but McLean and FCV in their current respective forms will still offer more than other ECNL/DA programs, i.e. they will get the best of those looking for elite soccer.

The “best” are less likely to leave the club where they are the star and get seen by the same college coaches at the same showcases.

FCV will have to do more with less moving forward. But having two national level leagues is dilution in an of itself so the ability to stand out is actually easier but it doesn’t mean FCV or McLean is truly better it means their respective leagues/divisions are weaker.

Before the existence of two national leagues, exactly how many National Champion teams did both clubs produce?

Once again, the exposure is NOT the same. The DA is far superior in exposure for these players. FAR superior. More coaches from stronger schools (both academically and athletically) and the head coaches are the one's attending. It is not even close. Furthermore, it is a regular occurrence to have college coaches at FCV training. TRAINING. Not to mention regular season games. Not happening with any regularity at ECNL games and training and certainly not at Loudoun. Coaches go where the concentration of talent is. Period.

[Anonymous]

White People problems.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Many of you are just too dense to leave behind the dilution narrative. Dilution is an issue but McLean and FCV in current form will continue to dominate. Others clubs, both weaker ECNL/DA clubs and independent clubs will suffer. McLean's 05 time was a disaster last year, finishing at or near the bottom of it ECNL division. They lost a group of players to WS VA and maybe Arlington yet the team picked up several strong players from independent clubs and is now a #2 seed in the ECNL playoffs while also wining the August Cup and finishing as runner-up to the top bracket at JeffCup. FCV 05 picked up some strong players from independent clubs. Those players also had access to WS VA yet selected FCV. I also know players leaving clubs like Bethesda for McLean.

I agree that dilution is real but McLean and FCV in their current respective forms will still offer more than other ECNL/DA programs, i.e. they will get the best of those looking for elite soccer.

The “best” are less likely to leave the club where they are the star and get seen by the same college coaches at the same showcases.

FCV will have to do more with less moving forward. But having two national level leagues is dilution in an of itself so the ability to stand out is actually easier but it doesn’t mean FCV or McLean is truly better it means their respective leagues/divisions are weaker.

Before the existence of two national leagues, exactly how many National Champion teams did both clubs produce?

Once again, the exposure is NOT the same. The DA is far superior in exposure for these players. FAR superior. More coaches from stronger schools (both academically and athletically) and the head coaches are the one's attending. It is not even close. Furthermore, it is a regular occurrence to have college coaches at FCV training. TRAINING. Not to mention regular season games. Not happening with any regularity at ECNL games and training and certainly not at Loudoun. Coaches go where the concentration of talent is. Period.

Go wash your hands. Yuck

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Many of you are just too dense to leave behind the dilution narrative. Dilution is an issue but McLean and FCV in current form will continue to dominate. Others clubs, both weaker ECNL/DA clubs and independent clubs will suffer. McLean's 05 time was a disaster last year, finishing at or near the bottom of it ECNL division. They lost a group of players to WS VA and maybe Arlington yet the team picked up several strong players from independent clubs and is now a #2 seed in the ECNL playoffs while also wining the August Cup and finishing as runner-up to the top bracket at JeffCup. FCV 05 picked up some strong players from independent clubs. Those players also had access to WS VA yet selected FCV. I also know players leaving clubs like Bethesda for McLean.

I agree that dilution is real but McLean and FCV in their current respective forms will still offer more than other ECNL/DA programs, i.e. they will get the best of those looking for elite soccer.

The “best” are less likely to leave the club where they are the star and get seen by the same college coaches at the same showcases.

FCV will have to do more with less moving forward. But having two national level leagues is dilution in an of itself so the ability to stand out is actually easier but it doesn’t mean FCV or McLean is truly better it means their respective leagues/divisions are weaker.

Before the existence of two national leagues, exactly how many National Champion teams did both clubs produce?

Once again, the exposure is NOT the same. The DA is far superior in exposure for these players. FAR superior. More coaches from stronger schools (both academically and athletically) and the head coaches are the one's attending. It is not even close. Furthermore, it is a regular occurrence to have college coaches at FCV training. TRAINING. Not to mention regular season games. Not happening with any regularity at ECNL games and training and certainly not at Loudoun. Coaches go where the concentration of talent is. Period.

Go wash your hands. Yuck

Truth hurts?

Bottom line is that MU and Arlington have much more potential to become elite destination clubs than any ECNL club purely for the exposure reason the OP posted above. It is ok if you are making a decision to play for a club based on convenience, but that doesn't mean college coaches are coming to watch your team play.