Stop the FCV (DA) and McLean (ECNL) hate

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Anonymous wrote:Some of these anti-FCV folks are mental. I get that recent acquisition will change things but you can't ignore the track record, including the performance of its DA teams to date.

Exactly. You would think that since these people can do confidently read the future, they would be much too successful to be wasting their time on these forums.

Unfortunately for them, the opposite is likely true - they are bitter envious and in denial.

When tryout numbers for FCV ECNL were in the 70's at rising U13 3-5 years ago and they drop to TEN outside players for the current rising U13's that is not a prediction. That is an outcome.

It isn't sour grapes to say that the landscape moving forward is diluted with 7 elite soccer showcase options in NoVA. There is simply less of a need to seek out an environment where your player can play in a college showcase environment.

Let me put it this way. There are no longer ANY destination clubs in NoVA. Every club now has a pathway and no club is special anymore, not FCV, not McLean, not BRYC.

if you ignore the quality of the training and interest in HS soccer. If you are into HS soccer, McLean just has the best track record and the proven coaches. If you are an elite player at u14 or u15, you can either role the dice with VDA or Loudoun or go with a proven group at McLean (BRYC does not have the numbers). If you don't care about HS, FCV is the proven leader. Time will tell but my money is on FCV and Mclean.

Agree. This was discussed at length in another thread. Some folks just hate the guy/gal at the top. Make judgement based on rumors or misinformation. Of course, there are those that THINK FCV or McLean treated them poorly because their kid got cut or coach didn't pay enough attention...

Move along to another club if you don't like the coach or if the parent wants to interfere...

Until some other club in the local area steps up and knocks down the champs, it's all just talk!

It is and always will be about the players. FCV and McLean have always had their pick of the best 40 players in NoVA per age group. That is no longer the case, they now have to compete for the top players more than ever before. MANY top players are just not bothering to leave their club now that their club has a pathway.

5 years ago both clubs had the top 40 players. Going forward they are lucky if they will get 20 of the top 40 players in NoVA per age group.

I agree with most of this, except even in years past those two clubs did not have the top 40 players. For example, the best 03 player in the area is S Montgomery from BRYC and she is a YNT player. Neither FCV or McLean have any 03s at her level.

Lol. Pretty cocky. Is she even top 5 on her own team? Come on dad, don’t embarrass your daughter on here.

What happened to this player's dad? I wanted to hear him break down the best 03 players in the area for us.

LOL. I am definitely not her Dad or I would know she is not YNT. I read a recent TDS article that talked about her being one of the top 5 U16 players and saying she will be called up soon. She is just one example of top local players that are not at FCV and McLean. You need more examples? Do you track youth soccer outside of your club? Does not sound like it.

Of course there are good players and teams outside of the DA. That BRYC team being one of them. But quoting a TDS article? Sounds like you need to educate yourself on what TDS is all about. Hint: it is primarily PR by parents and coaches of their own players.

Give me a break. You think TDS is PR by parents? Sounds like sour grapes. The top kids they track make it into top D1 programs and YNT camps. So the key to playing college soccer is PR? LOL

Unfortunately most of college recruiting is about marketing of the player. Sad but true.

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FCV U18/19 team is ranked No.1 in DA playoffs. It takes more than twitter posts to achieve it.

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05's should be looking even better next season with Bobby as our head coach, so congratulations to him.

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Anonymous wrote:05's should be looking even better next season with Bobby as our head coach, so congratulations to him.

Ugh, someone doesn't know.

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Anonymous wrote:05's should be looking even better next season with Bobby as our head coach, so congratulations to him.

Ugh, someone doesn't know.

Bobby is awesome

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Anonymous wrote:05's should be looking even better next season with Bobby as our head coach, so congratulations to him.

Ugh, someone doesn't know.

Bobby is awesome

Bobby is like a televangelist.

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McLean has a #1 seed, a #2 seed and two #2 seeds in the ECNL Nationals. FCV has two #1 seeds and one #4 seed in the DA Nationals.

No other DMV clubs come close except for Pipeline, which has several of its teams competing in the US Youth Soccer regionals.

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Anonymous wrote:McLean has a #1 seed, a #2 seed and two #2 seeds in the ECNL Nationals. FCV has two #1 seeds and one #4 seed in the DA Nationals.

No other DMV clubs come close except for Pipeline, which has several of its teams competing in the US Youth Soccer regionals.

Yes, teams formed 4 years ago pre DA.

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Anonymous wrote:McLean has a #1 seed, a #2 seed and two #2 seeds in the ECNL Nationals. FCV has two #1 seeds and one #4 seed in the DA Nationals.

No other DMV clubs come close except for Pipeline, which has several of its teams competing in the US Youth Soccer regionals.

Yes, teams formed 4 years ago pre DA.

Establishment of the girls DA does not undermine the quality of these teams. FCV dominates in the DA, while McLean continues strong in ECNL.

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What a attention seeking thread.

Does anyone talk soccer or is DCUM a place for geeks to talk trash?

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Anonymous wrote:McLean has a #1 seed, a #2 seed and two #2 seeds in the ECNL Nationals. FCV has two #1 seeds and one #4 seed in the DA Nationals.

No other DMV clubs come close except for Pipeline, which has several of its teams competing in the US Youth Soccer regionals.

Yes, teams formed 4 years ago pre DA.

Establishment of the girls DA does not undermine the quality of these teams. FCV dominates in the DA, while McLean continues strong in ECNL.

No, it explains the quality of the teams. The affects of dilution are lost on you. These teams represent what teams can accomplish and look like when formed with little competition for the highest quality players.

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Anonymous wrote:McLean has a #1 seed, a #2 seed and two #2 seeds in the ECNL Nationals. FCV has two #1 seeds and one #4 seed in the DA Nationals.

No other DMV clubs come close except for Pipeline, which has several of its teams competing in the US Youth Soccer regionals.

Those clubs dominate the Olders now because the teams were formed when there 2 national platform programs in all of NOVA. The argument is that will change with other clubs gaining ecnl and da status.

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Many of you are just too dense to leave behind the dilution narrative. Dilution is an issue but McLean and FCV in current form will continue to dominate. Others clubs, both weaker ECNL/DA clubs and independent clubs will suffer. McLean's 05 time was a disaster last year, finishing at or near the bottom of it ECNL division. They lost a group of players to WS VA and maybe Arlington yet the team picked up several strong players from independent clubs and is now a #2 seed in the ECNL playoffs while also wining the August Cup and finishing as runner-up to the top bracket at JeffCup. FCV 05 picked up some strong players from independent clubs. Those players also had access to WS VA yet selected FCV. I also know players leaving clubs like Bethesda for McLean.

I agree that dilution is real but McLean and FCV in their current respective forms will still offer more than other ECNL/DA programs, i.e. they will get the best of those looking for elite soccer.

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Anonymous wrote:Many of you are just too dense to leave behind the dilution narrative. Dilution is an issue but McLean and FCV in current form will continue to dominate. Others clubs, both weaker ECNL/DA clubs and independent clubs will suffer. McLean's 05 time was a disaster last year, finishing at or near the bottom of it ECNL division. They lost a group of players to WS VA and maybe Arlington yet the team picked up several strong players from independent clubs and is now a #2 seed in the ECNL playoffs while also wining the August Cup and finishing as runner-up to the top bracket at JeffCup. FCV 05 picked up some strong players from independent clubs. Those players also had access to WS VA yet selected FCV. I also know players leaving clubs like Bethesda for McLean.

I agree that dilution is real but McLean and FCV in their current respective forms will still offer more than other ECNL/DA programs, i.e. they will get the best of those looking for elite soccer.

The “best” are less likely to leave the club where they are the star and get seen by the same college coaches at the same showcases.

FCV will have to do more with less moving forward. But having two national level leagues is dilution in an of itself so the ability to stand out is actually easier but it doesn’t mean FCV or McLean is truly better it means their respective leagues/divisions are weaker.

Before the existence of two national leagues exactly how many National Champion teams did both clubs produce?

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Anonymous wrote:Many of you are just too dense to leave behind the dilution narrative. Dilution is an issue but McLean and FCV in current form will continue to dominate. Others clubs, both weaker ECNL/DA clubs and independent clubs will suffer. McLean's 05 time was a disaster last year, finishing at or near the bottom of it ECNL division. They lost a group of players to WS VA and maybe Arlington yet the team picked up several strong players from independent clubs and is now a #2 seed in the ECNL playoffs while also wining the August Cup and finishing as runner-up to the top bracket at JeffCup. FCV 05 picked up some strong players from independent clubs. Those players also had access to WS VA yet selected FCV. I also know players leaving clubs like Bethesda for McLean.

I agree that dilution is real but McLean and FCV in their current respective forms will still offer more than other ECNL/DA programs, i.e. they will get the best of those looking for elite soccer.

Well let us know how that playoff goes. All of their success is in an area where the majority of high level talent is not in ECNL. That's how our area is, nothing on a forum will change that. All of their success is in a division where VDA is their closest competition. We can all stop lying to ourselves. Go on YouTube and watch the 05 VDA vs McLean game, the VDA vs Loudoun game. These are not good games, and its not good soccer. Over half the kids do not possess the ability to bring a ball to ground from the air, among other lack of touch items. Its a game played with your feet and watching these games its hard to tell who knows that. Now that's not on the kids, its on the clubs, and your kid isn't reading this forum, so please, don't get all hurt over it. Instead get to work on the things the kid/s need to do. Because being king or queen of a bad division wont add up to much.