Anyone have the list of colleges TJ's class of 2019 is headed to?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s up.

https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/tjtoday_senior_issue_2019_for_web

Self report by students. 425 grads. 421 headed directly to college. 340 reported to the TJ today survey.

UVA and VT are very, very low (WM is about what you would expect. My educated guess is that the majority of the non-reports are VT/UVA.

Have at it!

Not sure why non-reports would be specifically VT/UVA, but I agree they are likely low. The trend for several years has been that a higher percentage of TJ students are going to non-state schools.

UVA and VT were both about 70 each last year. Parent board says it’s an under report.

It is interesting that with the huge over-enrollment this year at VT and the typical buzz on this board about UVA, numbers at these two schools appear to be way down. The TJ kids seem to go their own way.

Disagree. UVA has gotten so difficult to get into . . . even for TJ kids.

197 were accepted last year. I'd bet the number is similar this year. Self-reported 36 are going to UVA this year. (About 25% didn't report.) So I think the most likely story is the yield went down. Same for VT. A higher percentage of TJ kids seem to be going OOS.

Incorrect at least across the entire incoming class at VT. It's oversubscribed by 1800 students. If I had a TJ student in that entering class I would be looking for alternatives or taking the $1000 per year + tuition offer that VT is giving (see other threads on this) because yield was so high.

I was talking about the yield for TJ admits to VT. I made no comment on VT overall yield. 38 TJ grads enrolled at VT last year. This year self-report was 18 (with 25% not reporting), so it looks like yield likely went down.

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Here is the downward trend for TJ students going to Virginia state schools:

179 in 2015
170 in 2016
161 in 2017
140 in 2018

Not all reported for 2019, but trend is toward 130.

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Anonymous wrote:I was talking about the yield for TJ admits to VT. I made no comment on VT overall yield. 38 TJ grads enrolled at VT last year. This year self-report was 18 (with 25% not reporting), so it looks like yield likely went down.

Do TJ student who enroll at VT do so for financial reasons or because of lack of other options, or are there significant other factors in play?

The quality of the program certainly hasn't improved (for instance, this year, TJ didn't have a single USACO finalist or USAMO winner).

Conversely, what explains the increased acceptance at out-of-state schools? Is it a combination of parent prosperity and declining birth rates, perhaps combined with outsized tuition increases at in-state schools?

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Folks, one-quarter of the class did not report. You can't draw any conclusions with that kind of statistical pool

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Anonymous wrote:Folks, one-quarter of the class did not report. You can't draw any conclusions with that kind of statistical pool

From a statistics standpoint that's a huge sample size. The only question would be if it is random. i.e kids going to VT and UVA kids are significantly less likely than kids going to other schools to provide their destination this year.

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Anonymous wrote:I was talking about the yield for TJ admits to VT. I made no comment on VT overall yield. 38 TJ grads enrolled at VT last year. This year self-report was 18 (with 25% not reporting), so it looks like yield likely went down.

Do TJ student who enroll at VT do so for financial reasons or because of lack of other options, or are there significant other factors in play?

The quality of the program certainly hasn't improved (for instance, this year, TJ didn't have a single USACO finalist or USAMO winner).

Conversely, what explains the increased acceptance at out-of-state schools? Is it a combination of parent prosperity and declining birth rates, perhaps combined with outsized tuition increases at in-state schools?

VT is the 13th ranked school in engineering. And also all TJ kids are there for engineering. The kids I know who went had other options— but not other options worth multiples of the cost to get the 9th ranked engineering program instead of the 13th.

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Anonymous wrote:I was talking about the yield for TJ admits to VT. I made no comment on VT overall yield. 38 TJ grads enrolled at VT last year. This year self-report was 18 (with 25% not reporting), so it looks like yield likely went down.

Do TJ student who enroll at VT do so for financial reasons or because of lack of other options, or are there significant other factors in play?

The quality of the program certainly hasn't improved (for instance, this year, TJ didn't have a single USACO finalist or USAMO winner).

Conversely, what explains the increased acceptance at out-of-state schools? Is it a combination of parent prosperity and declining birth rates, perhaps combined with outsized tuition increases at in-state schools?

VT is the 13th ranked school in engineering. And also all TJ kids are there for engineering. The kids I know who went had other options— but not other options worth multiples of the cost to get the 9th ranked engineering program instead of the 13th.

So if the self-reporting is accurate, it is interesting why VT is way down this year. Self reported was only 16 (not 18) with 25% not reported vs 38 last year and 42 the year before.

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VT is the 13th ranked school in engineering. And also all TJ kids are there for engineering. The kids I know who went had other options— but not other options worth multiples of the cost to get the 9th ranked engineering program instead of the 13th.

I can only tell you why my kid did not choose VT (kid drove there on the admitted students' weekend. I did not go nor did I have significant input into kids' impression).
1) (#1 reason): was just not impressed with the student ambassadors.

2) rankings. the #13th ranked school metric (USNWR best undergrad engineering programs) is often quoted here but when you look at the methodology (peer review consisting of 2 surveys asking for a rank from 1-5) that's simply just surveymonkey. VT is not highly ranked on other rankings: QS, THE, Shanghai. Neither is UVA for that matter but at least UVA ranks highly on the main USNWR

3) outcomes. looked at hiring/salary/specific company outcomes for VT as compared to flagships such as UVA/GaTech/UMich/UIUC/Purdue and there was a difference.

4) previous years incoming class profile e.g significantly lower SATs/GPAs/top 10% than flagships. Of course, I understand this is not an apples-to-apples comparison e.g. VT vs UMich/GaTech

Felt that VT had a beautiful campus. In a nutshell, thought that VT was a good school but not a compelling destination.

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TJ has 1820 students. If it graduated 485, then with a 25% non-report, that means 120 students did not report. You cannot draw any conclusions from that.

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Anonymous wrote:TJ has 1820 students. If it graduated 485, then with a 25% non-report, that means 120 students did not report. You cannot draw any conclusions from that.

https://www.qualtrics.com/blog/calculating-sample-size/

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Anonymous wrote:TJ has 1820 students. If it graduated 485, then with a 25% non-report, that means 120 students did not report. You cannot draw any conclusions from that.

425 graduated, 340 reported, so 80% of the graduates reported.

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VT is the 13th ranked school in engineering. And also all TJ kids are there for engineering. The kids I know who went had other options— but not other options worth multiples of the cost to get the 9th ranked engineering program instead of the 13th.

I can only tell you why my kid did not choose VT (kid drove there on the admitted students' weekend. I did not go nor did I have significant input into kids' impression).
1) (#1 reason): was just not impressed with the student ambassadors.

2) rankings. the #13th ranked school metric (USNWR best undergrad engineering programs) is often quoted here but when you look at the methodology (peer review consisting of 2 surveys asking for a rank from 1-5) that's simply just surveymonkey. VT is not highly ranked on other rankings: QS, THE, Shanghai. Neither is UVA for that matter but at least UVA ranks highly on the main USNWR

3) outcomes. looked at hiring/salary/specific company outcomes for VT as compared to flagships such as UVA/GaTech/UMich/UIUC/Purdue and there was a difference.

4) previous years incoming class profile e.g significantly lower SATs/GPAs/top 10% than flagships. Of course, I understand this is not an apples-to-apples comparison e.g. VT vs UMich/GaTech

Felt that VT had a beautiful campus. In a nutshell, thought that VT was a good school but not a compelling destination.

Interesting, and makes sense, except part (1) is a bit silly unless other schools had TJ grads at their ambassadors (did they?). Most ambassadors at VT are probably graduates from NoVA high schools.

Curiosity: by what factor does the quoted price tag of attendance differ for UVA/GaTech/UMich/UIUC/Purdue assuming a typical family that doesn't qualify for any discounts?

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My TJ kid isn't going to VT (and didn't apply), but we know several kids who are. All were swayed with the price differential between VT and OOS engineering schools. Also know kids going OOS engineering and it's a mix as to full pay and merit aide. Most folks DO consider pricing when making these decisions.

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Anonymous wrote:TJ has 1820 students. If it graduated 485, then with a 25% non-report, that means 120 students did not report. You cannot draw any conclusions from that.

425 graduated, 340 reported, so 80% of the graduates reported.

As long as the self reports are random, the +/- interval is about 3% with 99% confidence.

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VT is the 13th ranked school in engineering. And also all TJ kids are there for engineering. The kids I know who went had other options— but not other options worth multiples of the cost to get the 9th ranked engineering program instead of the 13th.

I can only tell you why my kid did not choose VT (kid drove there on the admitted students' weekend. I did not go nor did I have significant input into kids' impression).
1) (#1 reason): was just not impressed with the student ambassadors.

2) rankings. the #13th ranked school metric (USNWR best undergrad engineering programs) is often quoted here but when you look at the methodology (peer review consisting of 2 surveys asking for a rank from 1-5) that's simply just surveymonkey. VT is not highly ranked on other rankings: QS, THE, Shanghai. Neither is UVA for that matter but at least UVA ranks highly on the main USNWR

3) outcomes. looked at hiring/salary/specific company outcomes for VT as compared to flagships such as UVA/GaTech/UMich/UIUC/Purdue and there was a difference.

4) previous years incoming class profile e.g significantly lower SATs/GPAs/top 10% than flagships. Of course, I understand this is not an apples-to-apples comparison e.g. VT vs UMich/GaTech

Felt that VT had a beautiful campus. In a nutshell, thought that VT was a good school but not a compelling destination.

You are probably right on the USNWR engineering rankings, but note that the USNWR undergraduate ranking also has had inputs from counselors and administrators that are pretty much the same as surveying engineering school deans. Most probably don't really know much.