Anyone have the list of colleges TJ's class of 2019 is headed to?

[Anonymous]

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I wouldn't consider the bottom 1/4 of TJ STEM talent.

Bottom 25% of TJ == Top 10% elsewhere.

Besides it is the 50% to 25% band (aside from Medicine) that are going to VT/Pitt. And once there, will probably be at the top.

Typical TJ parent tripe. Just because a kid attended TJ does not mean the kid is above average. The bottom 1/4 has proven themselves not in the same league as the top 1/3. They attend Pitt because it is an automatic admit and they have no better alternatives, which is the very definition of a safety school.

Really? Not what the scattergam shows. But you know best.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is not a ding against other schools.

You have to live it to understand it. Those that have one at TJ and one at the base school will understand.

The rigor at TJ is simply different. Those that have gone through 4 years of it are prepared differently.
This is not just about pure ability.

+1

Night and day different. They are serving different cohorts. Both my kids are exactly where they need to be, but are having vastly different HS experiences.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is not a ding against other schools.

You have to live it to understand it. Those that have one at TJ and one at the base school will understand.

The rigor at TJ is simply different. Those that have gone through 4 years of it are prepared differently.
This is not just about pure ability.

Yeah. TJ education and base school education? Different universes. It is impossible to get out of TJ without: AP Calculus, where 99% pass the exam and has an average TJ score above a 4.5. My very average kid came home from the BC exam, said it was way too easy and got a 5. AP level CS, AP level Bio and Chem. A physics class taught out of a Calc based book developed by the school and similar to MITs. A Calculus based geosystems class drawing on AP level Bio, Chem and physics. TJ teachers conduct training for teams from around the globe in these classes. A senior research project that is above typical undergrad research. AP English. The friggin robot. Etc. and that’s baseline. The minimum the bottom quarter has to do to get the diploma. Most kids do much, much more. While doing the commute and time consuming ECs. They go in as the top 2-3% of FCPS. And come out after off the charts demand and workloads and taking math tests with an average class grade of 67. So many, many kids don’t make it. Colleges want the ones who do.

And no. UVA isn’t going to take 300 kids from TJ. If they did, it would be the top 5-7% of base school getting in. And most kids accept that that’s the price of attending TJ: affirmative action for Langley and McLean.

Colleges want the ones that do.

And I also have one at TJ and one at base. They are not anywhere near the same education

[Anonymous]

It’s too bad there is no equivalent HS experience for the humanities or the arts.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is not a ding against other schools.

You have to live it to understand it. Those that have one at TJ and one at the base school will understand.

The rigor at TJ is simply different. Those that have gone through 4 years of it are prepared differently.
This is not just about pure ability.

Yeah. TJ education and base school education? Different universes. It is impossible to get out of TJ without: AP Calculus, where 99% pass the exam and has an average TJ score above a 4.5. My very average kid came home from the BC exam, said it was way too easy and got a 5. AP level CS, AP level Bio and Chem. A physics class taught out of a Calc based book developed by the school and similar to MITs. A Calculus based geosystems class drawing on AP level Bio, Chem and physics. TJ teachers conduct training for teams from around the globe in these classes. A senior research project that is above typical undergrad research. AP English. The friggin robot. Etc. and that’s baseline. The minimum the bottom quarter has to do to get the diploma. Most kids do much, much more. While doing the commute and time consuming ECs. They go in as the top 2-3% of FCPS. And come out after off the charts demand and workloads and taking math tests with an average class grade of 67. So many, many kids don’t make it. Colleges want the ones who do.

And no. UVA isn’t going to take 300 kids from TJ. If they did, it would be the top 5-7% of base school getting in. And most kids accept that that’s the price of attending TJ: affirmative action for Langley and McLean.

Colleges want the ones that do.

And I also have one at TJ and one at base. They are not anywhere near the same education

More typical TJ parent crap. TJ does not in any way contain the top 2-3% of FCPS. Did you really say that? Talk to the middle school teachers. They are amazed at who gets in and who doesn't. They know the kids best. The admissions process is over 50% subjective evaluations of essays, recommendations, and SIS. A majority of the applicants have identical 4.0 GPAs from middle school. There is no way to distinguish them effectively.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is not a ding against other schools.

You have to live it to understand it. Those that have one at TJ and one at the base school will understand.

The rigor at TJ is simply different. Those that have gone through 4 years of it are prepared differently.
This is not just about pure ability.

Yeah. TJ education and base school education? Different universes. It is impossible to get out of TJ without: AP Calculus, where 99% pass the exam and has an average TJ score above a 4.5. My very average kid came home from the BC exam, said it was way too easy and got a 5. AP level CS, AP level Bio and Chem. A physics class taught out of a Calc based book developed by the school and similar to MITs. A Calculus based geosystems class drawing on AP level Bio, Chem and physics. TJ teachers conduct training for teams from around the globe in these classes. A senior research project that is above typical undergrad research. AP English. The friggin robot. Etc. and that’s baseline. The minimum the bottom quarter has to do to get the diploma. Most kids do much, much more. While doing the commute and time consuming ECs. They go in as the top 2-3% of FCPS. And come out after off the charts demand and workloads and taking math tests with an average class grade of 67. So many, many kids don’t make it. Colleges want the ones who do.

And no. UVA isn’t going to take 300 kids from TJ. If they did, it would be the top 5-7% of base school getting in. And most kids accept that that’s the price of attending TJ: affirmative action for Langley and McLean.

Colleges want the ones that do.

And I also have one at TJ and one at base. They are not anywhere near the same education

More typical TJ parent crap. TJ does not in any way contain the top 2-3% of FCPS. Did you really say that? Talk to the middle school teachers. They are amazed at who gets in and who doesn't. They know the kids best. The admissions process is over 50% subjective evaluations of essays, recommendations, and SIS. A majority of the applicants have identical 4.0 GPAs from middle school. There is no way to distinguish them effectively.

Middle school teachers may tell parents the are shocked their snowflake didn’t get in. I have a handful of MS teachers who are friends. They aren’t shocked. Among my kids friends who got in, it was also very predictable.

You you seem very invested in disproving “typical TJ parent crap”. If you are so sure it’s just another HS, no value added, no special prestige ...
Wait for it... don’t send your kid. That will show them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is not a ding against other schools.

You have to live it to understand it. Those that have one at TJ and one at the base school will understand.

The rigor at TJ is simply different. Those that have gone through 4 years of it are prepared differently.
This is not just about pure ability.

Yeah. TJ education and base school education? Different universes. It is impossible to get out of TJ without: AP Calculus, where 99% pass the exam and has an average TJ score above a 4.5. My very average kid came home from the BC exam, said it was way too easy and got a 5. AP level CS, AP level Bio and Chem. A physics class taught out of a Calc based book developed by the school and similar to MITs. A Calculus based geosystems class drawing on AP level Bio, Chem and physics. TJ teachers conduct training for teams from around the globe in these classes. A senior research project that is above typical undergrad research. AP English. The friggin robot. Etc. and that’s baseline. The minimum the bottom quarter has to do to get the diploma. Most kids do much, much more. While doing the commute and time consuming ECs. They go in as the top 2-3% of FCPS. And come out after off the charts demand and workloads and taking math tests with an average class grade of 67. So many, many kids don’t make it. Colleges want the ones who do.

And no. UVA isn’t going to take 300 kids from TJ. If they did, it would be the top 5-7% of base school getting in. And most kids accept that that’s the price of attending TJ: affirmative action for Langley and McLean.

Colleges want the ones that do.

And I also have one at TJ and one at base. They are not anywhere near the same education

More typical TJ parent crap. TJ does not in any way contain the top 2-3% of FCPS. Did you really say that? Talk to the middle school teachers. They are amazed at who gets in and who doesn't. They know the kids best. The admissions process is over 50% subjective evaluations of essays, recommendations, and SIS. A majority of the applicants have identical 4.0 GPAs from middle school. There is no way to distinguish them effectively.

Bragging about requiring calculus at a STEM school? Big deal over 60% of the students nationwide score a 4 or 5 on the calc BC test.
The rest of your rant is equally ridiculous. Taking a class does not equate to mastery. I've seen TJ senior projects and most of them are meh.
The fact that TJ kids have more opportunities does not mean they get an advantage in college admissions (except in the striver third tier colleges).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is not a ding against other schools.

You have to live it to understand it. Those that have one at TJ and one at the base school will understand.

The rigor at TJ is simply different. Those that have gone through 4 years of it are prepared differently.
This is not just about pure ability.

Yeah. TJ education and base school education? Different universes. It is impossible to get out of TJ without: AP Calculus, where 99% pass the exam and has an average TJ score above a 4.5. My very average kid came home from the BC exam, said it was way too easy and got a 5. AP level CS, AP level Bio and Chem. A physics class taught out of a Calc based book developed by the school and similar to MITs. A Calculus based geosystems class drawing on AP level Bio, Chem and physics. TJ teachers conduct training for teams from around the globe in these classes. A senior research project that is above typical undergrad research. AP English. The friggin robot. Etc. and that’s baseline. The minimum the bottom quarter has to do to get the diploma. Most kids do much, much more. While doing the commute and time consuming ECs. They go in as the top 2-3% of FCPS. And come out after off the charts demand and workloads and taking math tests with an average class grade of 67. So many, many kids don’t make it. Colleges want the ones who do.

And no. UVA isn’t going to take 300 kids from TJ. If they did, it would be the top 5-7% of base school getting in. And most kids accept that that’s the price of attending TJ: affirmative action for Langley and McLean.

Colleges want the ones that do.

And I also have one at TJ and one at base. They are not anywhere near the same education

More typical TJ parent crap. TJ does not in any way contain the top 2-3% of FCPS. Did you really say that? Talk to the middle school teachers. They are amazed at who gets in and who doesn't. They know the kids best. The admissions process is over 50% subjective evaluations of essays, recommendations, and SIS. A majority of the applicants have identical 4.0 GPAs from middle school. There is no way to distinguish them effectively.

Bragging about requiring calculus at a STEM school? Big deal over 60% of the students nationwide score a 4 or 5 on the calc BC test.
The rest of your rant is equally ridiculous. Taking a class does not equate to mastery. I've seen TJ senior projects and most of them are meh.
The fact that TJ kids have more opportunities does not mean they get an advantage in college admissions (except in the striver third tier colleges).

Then why does TJ touch such a nerve?

[Anonymous]

My DC graduated in the bottom 25% of the class (about 3.8 WGPA), went to WM, double majored in STEM subjects, graduated summa cum laude (found college easier than TJ), and is now at a top 10 university working on their PhD. So, yeah, even the kids at the bottom of the class do OK.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My DC graduated in the bottom 25% of the class (about 3.8 WGPA), went to WM, double majored in STEM subjects, graduated summa cum laude (found college easier than TJ), and is now at a top 10 university working on their PhD. So, yeah, even the kids at the bottom of the class do OK.

Except MIT, Mudd and Chicago, every TJ kid says college is much, much easier than high school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DC graduated in the bottom 25% of the class (about 3.8 WGPA), went to WM, double majored in STEM subjects, graduated summa cum laude (found college easier than TJ), and is now at a top 10 university working on their PhD. So, yeah, even the kids at the bottom of the class do OK.

Except MIT, Mudd and Chicago, every TJ kid says college is much, much easier than high school.

+1 I have a cousin who was at a magnet school in NYC (Hunter) and she always says that it was harder than her Ivy League undergrad and even her Ivy League medical school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DC graduated in the bottom 25% of the class (about 3.8 WGPA), went to WM, double majored in STEM subjects, graduated summa cum laude (found college easier than TJ), and is now at a top 10 university working on their PhD. So, yeah, even the kids at the bottom of the class do OK.

Except MIT, Mudd and Chicago, every TJ kid says college is much, much easier than high school.

This is actually what most kids who did a rigorous HS prep (IB, AP, TJ, good private) often say. Because the pressure of getting top grades to get into college is intense, the experience of college is often easier.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DC graduated in the bottom 25% of the class (about 3.8 WGPA), went to WM, double majored in STEM subjects, graduated summa cum laude (found college easier than TJ), and is now at a top 10 university working on their PhD. So, yeah, even the kids at the bottom of the class do OK.

Except MIT, Mudd and Chicago, every TJ kid says college is much, much easier than high school.

This is actually what most kids who did a rigorous HS prep (IB, AP, TJ, good private) often say. Because the pressure of getting top grades to get into college is intense, the experience of college is often easier.

Totally agree. I have no doubt these elite schools are more difficult, but not in a good way. They have turned HS into an endurance contest and conflate acceleration with merit. In college you have TIME to dig deeper into topics you are interested in, discuss with peers and faculty relationships with other areas and applications without the extreme time and volume constraints of HS. The extreme acceleration in HS leads to acceptance of cheating, cramming for tests without really having the time to actually learn, and wasting free time self-studying for the easy AP exams they are not really interested in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DC graduated in the bottom 25% of the class (about 3.8 WGPA), went to WM, double majored in STEM subjects, graduated summa cum laude (found college easier than TJ), and is now at a top 10 university working on their PhD. So, yeah, even the kids at the bottom of the class do OK.

Except MIT, Mudd and Chicago, every TJ kid says college is much, much easier than high school.

This is actually what most kids who did a rigorous HS prep (IB, AP, TJ, good private) often say. Because the pressure of getting top grades to get into college is intense, the experience of college is often easier.

Totally agree. I have no doubt these elite schools are more difficult, but not in a good way. They have turned HS into an endurance contest and conflate acceleration with merit. In college you have TIME to dig deeper into topics you are interested in, discuss with peers and faculty relationships with other areas and applications without the extreme time and volume constraints of HS. The extreme acceleration in HS leads to acceptance of cheating, cramming for tests without really having the time to actually learn, and wasting free time self-studying for the easy AP exams they are not really interested in.

This is not just a TJ issue, but magnified at TJ. It takes a mental health toll as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DC graduated in the bottom 25% of the class (about 3.8 WGPA), went to WM, double majored in STEM subjects, graduated summa cum laude (found college easier than TJ), and is now at a top 10 university working on their PhD. So, yeah, even the kids at the bottom of the class do OK.

Except MIT, Mudd and Chicago, every TJ kid says college is much, much easier than high school.

This is actually what most kids who did a rigorous HS prep (IB, AP, TJ, good private) often say. Because the pressure of getting top grades to get into college is intense, the experience of college is often easier.

Totally agree. I have no doubt these elite schools are more difficult, but not in a good way. They have turned HS into an endurance contest and conflate acceleration with merit. In college you have TIME to dig deeper into topics you are interested in, discuss with peers and faculty relationships with other areas and applications without the extreme time and volume constraints of HS. The extreme acceleration in HS leads to acceptance of cheating, cramming for tests without really having the time to actually learn, and wasting free time self-studying for the easy AP exams they are not really interested in.

You have no idea what your talking about.