Should kids that heavily prepped for the CoGat be allowed in AAP?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You can only prep so much. A non-gifted kid isn't going to score 140 on a screener test, regardless of how much they were prepped.

True but a kid who might otherwise score 120 can definitely get their score up to 140 with a modest amount of prep.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can only prep so much. A non-gifted kid isn't going to score 140 on a screener test, regardless of how much they were prepped.

True but a kid who might otherwise score 120 can definitely get their score up to 140 with a modest amount of prep.

And a 120 kid can easily score 160. That's the biggest problem with CoGAT and why it should be eliminated from G&T identification.

[Anonymous]

Not everyone gets in AAP by prep, while not everyone prep can get in. If kid’s sick on the day of test then ask for retest. If kids don’t take Iready seriously then tell them to do their best. Tests aren’t the only factor whether kids can get into AAP but it’s needed, without any standardized exam/test how do you tell their knowledge level and if they would able to handle aap work. A genius that doesn’t want to learn and not even cooperate while doing test won’t be able to fit into AAP class, while those willing to work hard and can do well in a classroom will. AAP is not for gifted but advanced learners.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can only prep so much. A non-gifted kid isn't going to score 140 on a screener test, regardless of how much they were prepped.

True but a kid who might otherwise score 120 can definitely get their score up to 140 with a modest amount of prep.

And a 120 kid can easily score 160. That's the biggest problem with CoGAT and why it should be eliminated from G&T identification.

It does not make sense to eliminate standardized tests from G&T identification because standardized tests are actually much less prone to bias and being gamed than the alternative (teacher recommendations). Standardized tests are actually very accurate at identifying kids that will do well in AAP (note that “being gifted” is not really important but people seem to fixate on that). Being labeled as “gifted” doesn’t really matter for success in AAP (and in life). What matters is being hardworking, conscientious, persevering, and having a growth mindset. Even if studying for a standardized test helps kids do better, that is fine because the kids who study enough to really move their score are also likely to work hard in their AAP class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not everyone gets in AAP by prep, while not everyone prep can get in. If kid’s sick on the day of test then ask for retest. If kids don’t take Iready seriously then tell them to do their best. Tests aren’t the only factor whether kids can get into AAP but it’s needed, without any standardized exam/test how do you tell their knowledge level and if they would able to handle aap work. A genius that doesn’t want to learn and not even cooperate while doing test won’t be able to fit into AAP class, while those willing to work hard and can do well in a classroom will. AAP is not for gifted but advanced learners.

I’m the poster immediately above and I agree with this comment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not everyone gets in AAP by prep, while not everyone prep can get in. If kid’s sick on the day of test then ask for retest. If kids don’t take Iready seriously then tell them to do their best. Tests aren’t the only factor whether kids can get into AAP but it’s needed, without any standardized exam/test how do you tell their knowledge level and if they would able to handle aap work. A genius that doesn’t want to learn and not even cooperate while doing test won’t be able to fit into AAP class, while those willing to work hard and can do well in a classroom will. AAP is not for gifted but advanced learners.

Many do. If a third of TJ's class was listed in that Cuire Ad for having been their customer and that's one prep center, I would imagine that the majority of students prep. Even in my kids AAP class the teacher asked how many of you studied for the admit tests and something like 80% raised their hands.

[Anonymous]

Yes. AAP is not a G&T program. It’s advanced or accelerated academics. Kids whose parents have the means and make the effort to prep them are kids who are statistically likely to be successful on standardized measures of academic success.

Since it’s not PC to take kids with special needs and behavior problems out of class, AAP exists as a way to separate the kids whose parents would otherwise complain their special snowflake isn’t being challenged.

[Anonymous]

Why does it matter? Prep away. Kids that put in more effort to take a test, and are successful, are likely to be successful in class too. Working hard and toward a goal shouldn’t be discouraged.

If a kid doesn’t prep and is able to do very well great. That doesn’t make them more deserving of a spot because they didn’t prep.

Two type of kids go to AAP: those that are above average but work very hard, study and prepare. Then there are those who don’t work as hard and are far above average with little effort. Both deserve a spot equally.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not everyone gets in AAP by prep, while not everyone prep can get in. If kid’s sick on the day of test then ask for retest. If kids don’t take Iready seriously then tell them to do their best. Tests aren’t the only factor whether kids can get into AAP but it’s needed, without any standardized exam/test how do you tell their knowledge level and if they would able to handle aap work. A genius that doesn’t want to learn and not even cooperate while doing test won’t be able to fit into AAP class, while those willing to work hard and can do well in a classroom will. AAP is not for gifted but advanced learners.

Many do. If a third of TJ's class was listed in that Cuire Ad for having been their customer and that's one prep center, I would imagine that the majority of students prep. Even in my kids AAP class the teacher asked how many of you studied for the admit tests and something like 80% raised their hands.

What is Curie?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you heavily prepped your kid so that they would get a strong CoGat score, does that mean they REALLY belong in AAP? Doesn't that defeat the original purpose of AAP?

Are you knuts?

Prepped students are and will be allowed into public school sports teams and AAP academic programs. If student doesnt put in the effort beforehand and does not perform well on the team tryouts or cogat evaluation test, they will be denied admission into these public school offerings. If you have a problem with, do homeschooling or enroll in private school.