Should kids that heavily prepped for the CoGat be allowed in AAP?

[Anonymous]

damn strivers! am i right

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you heavily prepped your kid so that they would get a strong CoGat score, does that mean they REALLY belong in AAP? Doesn't that defeat the original purpose of AAP?

If you heavily prepped your kid so that they would get a strong SAT score, does that mean they REALLY belong in college?

If you heavily prepped your kid so that they would get a strong math final exam score, does that mean they REALLY deserve an A?

If you heavily prepped yourself so you do well on a sales presentation, does that mean you REALLY deserve the sale?

Yes, you're clever. But you're not right.

Fairfax used to use a real IQ test for admission to the GT program. But the district is too large to do that now so they use an IQ proxy test.

A real IQ test can be prepped, to some extent. But then it's invalid.

If you want to prep your DC for the Cogat, go ahead. Then the score's only value is for admission to AAP and is otherwise meaningless, provides no information to you or anyone else about your child. And also, you've contributed to the educational race to nowhere and increase in pressure and stress.

My only issue with the prep classes and early supplementing programs is that it seems like too much pressure to be putting on young kids.

We don't send DS to tutoring or programs but he asks to go to coding club and similar activities offered after school, so we allow him to go. We have work books at home for our first grader to work on if he doesn't bring home home work (10 -15 minutes a day after snack and some play time) and over the summer (30 minutes = screen time) so how are we different? We want our child to develop solid basics and reinforce that at home by making sure he does whatever work the school sends home, reading to him, having him read to us, and answering whatever questions he comes up with (mainly math and science explanations). He has a sport he plays each season and Cub Scouts. We think he is well balanced but I am sure that other people think that we are crazy.

I will say that if he asks to stop doing something, we do. If it is a sports team he asked to be on, he has to finish the season but we don't re-enroll.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Regardless, I think the holistic approach merely reflects what FCPS wants for their program. And that’s fine - they can decide and people are free to disagree.

It's not fine. FCPS is publicly funded. The burden is on them to explain why they believe a prepped performance is "bad" when it's exactly the criteria by which any other performance is judged.

Disagree, because we are not saying the same things. I am saying they take a holistic approach and that is fine whether you like it or not. I am not saying anything about prepping in saying that. People here merely guess that a holistic approach is used in some relation to prepping - that it is “bad” or trying to guess where it occurred. I am saying there is no clear reason to presume that is actually the reason a holistic approach is used and in fact the logical conclusions is that a holistic approach has nothing to do with prepping and is used for perfectly good, justifiable reasons. None of which require having to explain anything about prepping. What will some of you people do by the time these kids get to college where there is also going to be a holistic approach? No one uses all test scores and nothing else any more.

[Anonymous]

If the GBRS is high, and the teacher thinks the kid would be able to handle the pace of the AAP workload, then I don't think it really matters how they got the score. If they're that heavily prepped for the CoGAT that it raises the score enough to overcome a low GBRS, they will probably also be heavily tutored once they get in, so they'll keep up with the class. The way they've implemented it, AAP is more an honors track than something for creative/outside-the-box/imaginative, high IQ thinkers. High IQ doesn't necessarily equate to good student, and vice versa.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you heavily prepped your kid so that they would get a strong CoGat score, does that mean they REALLY belong in AAP? Doesn't that defeat the original purpose of AAP?

If you heavily prepped your kid so that they would get a strong SAT score, does that mean they REALLY belong in college?

If you heavily prepped your kid so that they would get a strong math final exam score, does that mean they REALLY deserve an A?

If you heavily prepped yourself so you do well on a sales presentation, does that mean you REALLY deserve the sale?

Yes, you're clever. But you're not right.

Fairfax used to use a real IQ test for admission to the GT program. But the district is too large to do that now so they use an IQ proxy test.

A real IQ test can be prepped, to some extent. But then it's invalid.

If you want to prep your DC for the Cogat, go ahead. Then the score's only value is for admission to AAP and is otherwise meaningless, provides no information to you or anyone else about your child. And also, you've contributed to the educational race to nowhere and increase in pressure and stress.

My only issue with the prep classes and early supplementing programs is that it seems like too much pressure to be putting on young kids.

We don't send DS to tutoring or programs but he asks to go to coding club and similar activities offered after school, so we allow him to go. We have work books at home for our first grader to work on if he doesn't bring home home work (10 -15 minutes a day after snack and some play time) and over the summer (30 minutes = screen time) so how are we different? We want our child to develop solid basics and reinforce that at home by making sure he does whatever work the school sends home, reading to him, having him read to us, and answering whatever questions he comes up with (mainly math and science explanations). He has a sport he plays each season and Cub Scouts. We think he is well balanced but I am sure that other people think that we are crazy.

I will say that if he asks to stop doing something, we do. If it is a sports team he asked to be on, he has to finish the season but we don't re-enroll.

Yeah. You make your first grader (and I’m assuming you did this last summer too) do 30 minutes of workbooks before screen time. You are crazy. It’s not abuse or anything. And I’m sure Larlo is balanced but you as parents are tiger-ish.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you heavily prepped your kid so that they would get a strong CoGat score, does that mean they REALLY belong in AAP? Doesn't that defeat the original purpose of AAP?

If you heavily prepped your kid so that they would get a strong SAT score, does that mean they REALLY belong in college?

If you heavily prepped your kid so that they would get a strong math final exam score, does that mean they REALLY deserve an A?

If you heavily prepped yourself so you do well on a sales presentation, does that mean you REALLY deserve the sale?

Yes, you're clever. But you're not right.

Fairfax used to use a real IQ test for admission to the GT program. But the district is too large to do that now so they use an IQ proxy test.

A real IQ test can be prepped, to some extent. But then it's invalid.

If you want to prep your DC for the Cogat, go ahead. Then the score's only value is for admission to AAP and is otherwise meaningless, provides no information to you or anyone else about your child. And also, you've contributed to the educational race to nowhere and increase in pressure and stress.

My only issue with the prep classes and early supplementing programs is that it seems like too much pressure to be putting on young kids.

We don't send DS to tutoring or programs but he asks to go to coding club and similar activities offered after school, so we allow him to go. We have work books at home for our first grader to work on if he doesn't bring home home work (10 -15 minutes a day after snack and some play time) and over the summer (30 minutes = screen time) so how are we different? We want our child to develop solid basics and reinforce that at home by making sure he does whatever work the school sends home, reading to him, having him read to us, and answering whatever questions he comes up with (mainly math and science explanations). He has a sport he plays each season and Cub Scouts. We think he is well balanced but I am sure that other people think that we are crazy.

I will say that if he asks to stop doing something, we do. If it is a sports team he asked to be on, he has to finish the season but we don't re-enroll.

Yeah. You make your first grader (and I’m assuming you did this last summer too) do 30 minutes of workbooks before screen time. You are crazy. It’s not abuse or anything. And I’m sure Larlo is balanced but you as parents are tiger-ish.

DP here. I made my kids do some summer work. Studying 30 minutes a day seems reasonable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you heavily prepped your kid so that they would get a strong CoGat score, does that mean they REALLY belong in AAP? Doesn't that defeat the original purpose of AAP?

If you heavily prepped your kid so that they would get a strong SAT score, does that mean they REALLY belong in college?

If you heavily prepped your kid so that they would get a strong math final exam score, does that mean they REALLY deserve an A?

If you heavily prepped yourself so you do well on a sales presentation, does that mean you REALLY deserve the sale?

Yes, you're clever. But you're not right.

Fairfax used to use a real IQ test for admission to the GT program. But the district is too large to do that now so they use an IQ proxy test.

A real IQ test can be prepped, to some extent. But then it's invalid.

If you want to prep your DC for the Cogat, go ahead. Then the score's only value is for admission to AAP and is otherwise meaningless, provides no information to you or anyone else about your child. And also, you've contributed to the educational race to nowhere and increase in pressure and stress.

My only issue with the prep classes and early supplementing programs is that it seems like too much pressure to be putting on young kids.

We don't send DS to tutoring or programs but he asks to go to coding club and similar activities offered after school, so we allow him to go. We have work books at home for our first grader to work on if he doesn't bring home home work (10 -15 minutes a day after snack and some play time) and over the summer (30 minutes = screen time) so how are we different? We want our child to develop solid basics and reinforce that at home by making sure he does whatever work the school sends home, reading to him, having him read to us, and answering whatever questions he comes up with (mainly math and science explanations). He has a sport he plays each season and Cub Scouts. We think he is well balanced but I am sure that other people think that we are crazy.

I will say that if he asks to stop doing something, we do. If it is a sports team he asked to be on, he has to finish the season but we don't re-enroll.

Yeah. You make your first grader (and I’m assuming you did this last summer too) do 30 minutes of workbooks before screen time. You are crazy. It’s not abuse or anything. And I’m sure Larlo is balanced but you as parents are tiger-ish.

I am not PP, but what's wrong with 30 minutes of work prior to screen time over the summer? I think all kids should be reading and doing some work over the summer. 30 minutes is not a lot of time. It provides structure to the schedule, adds another activity for the kid to work on, and teaches delayed gratification and that sometimes you have to work before you can play. Now, if a kid is going to summer camp where he/she is drilled on how to score higher on CogAT or NNAT all summer, that is too much.

[Anonymous]

Most parents are not making their kid do homework out of workbook when they have no homework. Nor are they making their 6yo earn screen time by working in a workbook. But I’m m not surprised those reading a sub forum on aap do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you heavily prepped your kid so that they would get a strong CoGat score, does that mean they REALLY belong in AAP? Doesn't that defeat the original purpose of AAP?

If you heavily prepped your kid so that they would get a strong SAT score, does that mean they REALLY belong in college?

If you heavily prepped your kid so that they would get a strong math final exam score, does that mean they REALLY deserve an A?

If you heavily prepped yourself so you do well on a sales presentation, does that mean you REALLY deserve the sale?

Yes, you're clever. But you're not right.

Fairfax used to use a real IQ test for admission to the GT program. But the district is too large to do that now so they use an IQ proxy test.

A real IQ test can be prepped, to some extent. But then it's invalid.

If you want to prep your DC for the Cogat, go ahead. Then the score's only value is for admission to AAP and is otherwise meaningless, provides no information to you or anyone else about your child. And also, you've contributed to the educational race to nowhere and increase in pressure and stress.

My only issue with the prep classes and early supplementing programs is that it seems like too much pressure to be putting on young kids.

We don't send DS to tutoring or programs but he asks to go to coding club and similar activities offered after school, so we allow him to go. We have work books at home for our first grader to work on if he doesn't bring home home work (10 -15 minutes a day after snack and some play time) and over the summer (30 minutes = screen time) so how are we different? We want our child to develop solid basics and reinforce that at home by making sure he does whatever work the school sends home, reading to him, having him read to us, and answering whatever questions he comes up with (mainly math and science explanations). He has a sport he plays each season and Cub Scouts. We think he is well balanced but I am sure that other people think that we are crazy.

I will say that if he asks to stop doing something, we do. If it is a sports team he asked to be on, he has to finish the season but we don't re-enroll.

You are not. Don’t be fooled into thinking you’re not putting pressure on your own kid. Kids can feel their parent’s obsession with aap. Whether they go to prep classes on the weekend or mom preps them at home with thrown together workbooks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Most parents are not making their kid do homework out of workbook when they have no homework. Nor are they making their 6yo earn screen time by working in a workbook. But I’m m not surprised those reading a sub forum on aap do.

You can’t be sure. Almost everyone I know does have their kids use a workbook of some sort, especially in Summer. In fact, that’s where I got the idea! If you expect just the school to be the only thing that ever teaches your kid, your kids will eventually fall behind.

[Anonymous]

Maybe in the summer, but making a kid do 30 minutes of a workbook after sitting in school for 8 hours is abnormal.

[Anonymous]

Schools should just prep the kids. Seems like that would even the playing field and negate any advantage tiger moms give their kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Schools should just prep the kids. Seems like that would even the playing field and negate any advantage tiger moms give their kids.

There's minimal, basically zero, prepping in my kids' area. I don't want the school to prep either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Schools should just prep the kids. Seems like that would even the playing field and negate any advantage tiger moms give their kids.

Playing field will never be even. If there is basic prepping at school, there will be people who prep the kids extra (more prep school, more books) so their kids have advantage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A real IQ test can be prepped, to some extent. But then it's invalid.

Anonymous wrote:I am saying they take a holistic approach and that is fine whether you like it or not. (...) What will some of you people do by the time these kids get to college where there is also going to be a holistic approach?

"Mommy, why is Kate not going to AAP? She was always good at reading and math, in fact better than I am."

"Well, DC, she worked too hard to prepare for her test, so it was invalid."

"Ah, I see. And she also looks different, with those brown eyes and black hair."

"Yes, darling. She's not holistic enough. When you grow up, you'll understand."