Why would you pay full freight to send your kid to Middlebury?

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Anonymous wrote:Safety valve school for wealthy whites when they are rejected by better places. That’s the bottom line.

Wealthy and progressive whites, to be precise.

Conservatives and not part of that mob.

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Anonymous wrote:Safety valve school for wealthy whites when they are rejected by better places. That’s the bottom line.

Lol with a 17% acceptance rate and a 31-34 act mid 50%? And a top 10 ranking on most lists?

Fortunately, Middlebury cares not the tiniest crap what y'all think.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how everyone is like

"It is a great school!"

But the median salary 12 years after college is $62K a year.

Um, no. You don't pay full pay for a college like that. How is this even a question.

Because not everyone is so concerned with ROI, but rather the quality of education the kid receives. Some get this, some don't.

You mean privileged white people?

I'm the one who wrote the bolded. Not privileged (maybe we need to define that?) but I have the old fashioned belief that the purpose of going to college is to get a good education. DC wants to major in Classics. Fine, the return on investment is going to be poor I'm sure, but I'm not going to
refuse to pay because of that choice.

Yeah, I think you do need a definition on privilege. 99% of the country can't afford to just sent their kid to $70K a year school for an education, let alone be in a position to just let their kid go wherever they want, pick whatever degree seems fun, and basically do whatever they want with Mommy and Daddy's money. And then there are people who actually can afford it and laugh at a teen who says they want them to spend $300K to major in classics. They are the ones who won't let their kids inherit a dime, unless they make something of themselves. You know, accountability, independence, etc...

And then there’s us just laughing at how angry and stupid you are. It’s hilarious.

Agree. The “check your privilege” poster is ridiculous. Do you feel the same way about Classics majors at HYP? What about Black Studies or Women’s Studies majors? I don’t see the high paying career path with those majors?

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Anonymous wrote:A friend's child is majoring in classics and will probably go to grad school for something like computational linguistics. Believe it or not, people who write translation software actually benefit from knowing other languages, and knowing a lot about various issues with grammar, etc.
As a poster upthread said, while some people believe you should major in pharmaceutical repping and become a pharmaceutical rep, there are actually many liberal arts majors that are useful background for going on in a vareity of fields. For example, some people who now do intellectual property rights law actually majored in philosophy, where there is a lot of writing about ownership and how one claims ownership and what it means to own something, etc.

Yet the average salary is low $60’s for Middleburry alum over 10 years out. Many of which probably afforded and went on for a graduate degree too. So....

You need to read the caveats to the data and understand what its measuring. Earnings data by college was release by Obama era Department of ED through the College Scorecard by cross-walking federal aid recipients with IRS data. The reported "salary after attending" Middlebury College was $58,200. Available here: https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?230959-Middlebury-College

Please note data flag reads "The median earnings of former students who received federal financial aid, at 10 years after entering school."

So a number of things. First it excludes so-called "full freight" students who didnt get a Pell Grant or take out federal student loans, or whose parents took out a low-interest bank loan available to them bc of their good credit and family assets ie the data excludes wealthier students who probably went on to higher paying jobs due to their family connectiosn and wealth.
Second, the reported figure is "median" not average. The average would likely be higher in this context because outlier high salary earners would skew it up where as outlier lower earnings students have a stopping point at zero.
Last, and perhaps most important, it measures student earnings "10 years after entering," not 10 years after graduating. This figure is their salary at age 28. I dont know aobut you but I attended an Ivy league college and my earnings at age 28 were around $50 - 60K and I was delighted. The majority of people in the workforce dont start earning larger salaries until later in their career and people who pursue lengthy graduate programs typical of Middlebury students are likely not earning or earning fellowship $ at age 28.

I just dont think you can make broad assumptions about the success of Middlebury alums based on that stat.

Thank you! I am a Middlebury Grad who made $0 at age 28 because I was in grad school. As someone earlier said, many alums go into nonprofit fields and I think that speaks well of the school as it indicates that the graduates want to make the world a better place. That being said, there are plenty of Wall Streeters and law partners among th alumni. Most of the people chiming in here have no idea of what they are talking about.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how everyone is like

"It is a great school!"

But the median salary 12 years after college is $62K a year.

Um, no. You don't pay full pay for a college like that. How is this even a question.

Because not everyone is so concerned with ROI, but rather the quality of education the kid receives. Some get this, some don't.

You mean privileged white people?

I'm the one who wrote the bolded. Not privileged (maybe we need to define that?) but I have the old fashioned belief that the purpose of going to college is to get a good education. DC wants to major in Classics. Fine, the return on investment is going to be poor I'm sure, but I'm not going to
refuse to pay because of that choice.

Yeah, I think you do need a definition on privilege. 99% of the country can't afford to just sent their kid to $70K a year school for an education, let alone be in a position to just let their kid go wherever they want, pick whatever degree seems fun, and basically do whatever they want with Mommy and Daddy's money. And then there are people who actually can afford it and laugh at a teen who says they want them to spend $300K to major in classics. They are the ones who won't let their kids inherit a dime, unless they make something of themselves. You know, accountability, independence, etc...

And then there’s us just laughing at how angry and stupid you are. It’s hilarious.

Agree. The “check your privilege” poster is ridiculous. Do you feel the same way about Classics majors at HYP? What about Black Studies or Women’s Studies majors? I don’t see the high paying career path with those majors?

Ethnic and Women studies are of course worse but no one pays $300k for them.

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This was my DSs top choice but the rep at tonight’s private school fair was horrible. Couldn’t carry on a conversation. DS plans not to ED anymore. Too bad, he was high stats and full pay. Before the trolls come out; this is a true story.

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Anonymous wrote:This was my DSs top choice but the rep at tonight’s private school fair was horrible. Couldn’t carry on a conversation. DS plans not to ED anymore. Too bad, he was high stats and full pay. Before the trolls come out; this is a true story.

Have you visited? Don’t let one bad reps bad night dissuade you from what you want.

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Anonymous wrote:This was my DSs top choice but the rep at tonight’s private school fair was horrible. Couldn’t carry on a conversation. DS plans not to ED anymore. Too bad, he was high stats and full pay. Before the trolls come out; this is a true story.

Have you visited? Don’t let one bad reps bad night dissuade you from what you want.

Yes ma’am; twice. We were trying to build a bond with her. She wouldn’t have it.

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Anonymous wrote:^ Wow. I was defending Middlebury on here until I saw that.

The article says 'Dozens of kids' and many suspect that some of them were not Middlebury students. And on campus are about 2600 other kids. This could've happened at dozens of other schools in the country. Judging the school so heavily based on this is foolish.

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Anonymous wrote:This was my DSs top choice but the rep at tonight’s private school fair was horrible. Couldn’t carry on a conversation. DS plans not to ED anymore. Too bad, he was high stats and full pay. Before the trolls come out; this is a true story.

Have you visited? Don’t let one bad reps bad night dissuade you from what you want.

Yes ma’am; twice. We were trying to build a bond with her. She wouldn’t have it.

Give it some time - 5 minutes across a table from a bad rep on a road trip should not be enough to override two comprehensive campus visits.

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Anonymous wrote:This was my DSs top choice but the rep at tonight’s private school fair was horrible. Couldn’t carry on a conversation. DS plans not to ED anymore. Too bad, he was high stats and full pay. Before the trolls come out; this is a true story.

You do realize how idiotic it is to make a decision on college based on an interaction with one person.....right?

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Anonymous wrote:This was my DSs top choice but the rep at tonight’s private school fair was horrible. Couldn’t carry on a conversation. DS plans not to ED anymore. Too bad, he was high stats and full pay. Before the trolls come out; this is a true story.

Totally believe you.

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Because mom and dad vaguely remember it as being a good school and they have to scramble after the UVA rejection.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This was my DSs top choice but the rep at tonight’s private school fair was horrible. Couldn’t carry on a conversation. DS plans not to ED anymore. Too bad, he was high stats and full pay. Before the trolls come out; this is a true story.

Wow you are a terrible writer. Probably should have focused your own education on that. Poor dummy. So angry and stupid.

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The retired english teacher is back, making comments that are irrelevant to the question. Is that good writing?