Why would you pay full freight to send your kid to Middlebury?

[Anonymous]

Yes, yes. Makes perfect sense. But dummy doesn’t care. Prepare for the next badly-written diatribe, currently being composed on mom’s basement computer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A friend's child is majoring in classics and will probably go to grad school for something like computational linguistics. Believe it or not, people who write translation software actually benefit from knowing other languages, and knowing a lot about various issues with grammar, etc.
As a poster upthread said, while some people believe you should major in pharmaceutical repping and become a pharmaceutical rep, there are actually many liberal arts majors that are useful background for going on in a vareity of fields. For example, some people who now do intellectual property rights law actually majored in philosophy, where there is a lot of writing about ownership and how one claims ownership and what it means to own something, etc.

Yet the average salary is low $60’s for Middleburry alum over 10 years out. Many of which probably afforded and went on for a graduate degree too. So....

[Anonymous]

What is the source of that number?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This entire thread is embarrassing for Middlebury. It seems like there are 10 year olds on here

Middlebury is blameless in all of this. It's the nasty posters that are the embarrassment.

Nope. It was the actual students that became a national and international embarrassment.

I believe the speaker in question still suffers from concussion. Let's hope she gets better.

I'm talking about this speaker. Male. Too liberal and SJW-y. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/03/middlebury-free-speech-violence/518667/

[Anonymous]

^ Wow. I was defending Middlebury on here until I saw that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^ Wow. I was defending Middlebury on here until I saw that.

I know. There was another protest when students put up crosses to honor 9/ll deaths and they were removed, too. Couple of years ago. It's just too wacky liberal to be worth the $300K a year.

[Anonymous]

The cross incident made me sour on the campus. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/03/middlebury-free-speech-violence/518667/

[Anonymous]

No, there wasn't. Midd students put up the memorial, non-students took them down. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/middlebury-911-memorial-flags_n_3914468

Someone is throwing out things to avoid admitting the earnings number is fake.

[Anonymous]

With 92% declared as very liberal/progressive/liberal, I think you know exactly what the school is going to produce. https://www.niche.com/colleges/middlebury-college/students/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A friend's child is majoring in classics and will probably go to grad school for something like computational linguistics. Believe it or not, people who write translation software actually benefit from knowing other languages, and knowing a lot about various issues with grammar, etc.
As a poster upthread said, while some people believe you should major in pharmaceutical repping and become a pharmaceutical rep, there are actually many liberal arts majors that are useful background for going on in a vareity of fields. For example, some people who now do intellectual property rights law actually majored in philosophy, where there is a lot of writing about ownership and how one claims ownership and what it means to own something, etc.

Yet the average salary is low $60’s for Middleburry alum over 10 years out. Many of which probably afforded and went on for a graduate degree too. So....

You need to read the caveats to the data and understand what its measuring. Earnings data by college was release by Obama era Department of ED through the College Scorecard by cross-walking federal aid recipients with IRS data. The reported "salary after attending" Middlebury College was $58,200. Available here: https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?230959-Middlebury-College

Please note data flag reads "The median earnings of former students who received federal financial aid, at 10 years after entering school."

So a number of things. First it excludes so-called "full freight" students who didnt get a Pell Grant or take out federal student loans, or whose parents took out a low-interest bank loan available to them bc of their good credit and family assets ie the data excludes wealthier students who probably went on to higher paying jobs due to their family connectiosn and wealth.
Second, the reported figure is "median" not average. The average would likely be higher in this context because outlier high salary earners would skew it up where as outlier lower earnings students have a stopping point at zero.
Last, and perhaps most important, it measures student earnings "10 years after entering," not 10 years after graduating. This figure is their salary at age 28. I dont know aobut you but I attended an Ivy league college and my earnings at age 28 were around $50 - 60K and I was delighted. The majority of people in the workforce dont start earning larger salaries until later in their career and people who pursue lengthy graduate programs typical of Middlebury students are likely not earning or earning fellowship $ at age 28.

I just dont think you can make broad assumptions about the success of Middlebury alums based on that stat.

[Anonymous]

No, you are incorrect that's HuffPost - it was a student. "The Middlebury Campus. MiddBeat reported that student Anna Shireman-Grabowski took responsibility for removing the flags, each honoring a life lost in the terrorist attacks 12 years ago. Grabowski said in a statement posted on the blog that she was protesting the placement of the flags on sacred Abenaki burial grounds." https://www.rutlandherald.com/news/flag-removals-anger-middlebury-campus/article_1b05ed13-a729-513a-b776-4c3dd183d8c1.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This entire thread is embarrassing for Middlebury. It seems like there are 10 year olds on here

Middlebury is blameless in all of this. It's the nasty posters that are the embarrassment.

Nope. It was the actual students that became a national and international embarrassment.

I believe the speaker in question still suffers from concussion. Let's hope she gets better.

I'm talking about this speaker. Male. Too liberal and SJW-y. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/03/middlebury-free-speech-violence/518667/

The one who suffered the injury was Allison Stanger, the Professor trying to defend him from the students' attacks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This entire thread is embarrassing for Middlebury. It seems like there are 10 year olds on here

Middlebury is blameless in all of this. It's the nasty posters that are the embarrassment.

Nope. It was the actual students that became a national and international embarrassment.

I believe the speaker in question still suffers from concussion. Let's hope she gets better.

I'm talking about this speaker. Male. Too liberal and SJW-y. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/03/middlebury-free-speech-violence/518667/

The one who suffered the injury was Allison Stanger, the Professor trying to defend him from the students' attacks.

Correct. The students physically attacked their own professor whose job it was to debate the invited speaker.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A friend's child is majoring in classics and will probably go to grad school for something like computational linguistics. Believe it or not, people who write translation software actually benefit from knowing other languages, and knowing a lot about various issues with grammar, etc.
As a poster upthread said, while some people believe you should major in pharmaceutical repping and become a pharmaceutical rep, there are actually many liberal arts majors that are useful background for going on in a vareity of fields. For example, some people who now do intellectual property rights law actually majored in philosophy, where there is a lot of writing about ownership and how one claims ownership and what it means to own something, etc.

Yet the average salary is low $60’s for Middleburry alum over 10 years out. Many of which probably afforded and went on for a graduate degree too. So....

You need to read the caveats to the data and understand what its measuring. Earnings data by college was release by Obama era Department of ED through the College Scorecard by cross-walking federal aid recipients with IRS data. The reported "salary after attending" Middlebury College was $58,200. Available here: https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?230959-Middlebury-College

Please note data flag reads "The median earnings of former students who received federal financial aid, at 10 years after entering school."

So a number of things. First it excludes so-called "full freight" students who didnt get a Pell Grant or take out federal student loans, or whose parents took out a low-interest bank loan available to them bc of their good credit and family assets ie the data excludes wealthier students who probably went on to higher paying jobs due to their family connectiosn and wealth.
Second, the reported figure is "median" not average. The average would likely be higher in this context because outlier high salary earners would skew it up where as outlier lower earnings students have a stopping point at zero.
Last, and perhaps most important, it measures student earnings "10 years after entering," not 10 years after graduating. This figure is their salary at age 28. I dont know aobut you but I attended an Ivy league college and my earnings at age 28 were around $50 - 60K and I was delighted. The majority of people in the workforce dont start earning larger salaries until later in their career and people who pursue lengthy graduate programs typical of Middlebury students are likely not earning or earning fellowship $ at age 28.

I just dont think you can make broad assumptions about the success of Middlebury alums based on that stat.

Fair point. What would be useful for OP would be to compare this same metric with other colleges, and see how M fares.

I suspect not too well.

[Anonymous]

Safety valve school for wealthy whites when they are rejected by better places. That’s the bottom line.