For the moms who didn’t breastfeed in the hospital

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Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone give a newborn cold formula?
Is this an actual formal recommendation now?


No. One poster is just frantically trying to justify her decision to use room temperature formula.

Formula should be warmed to body temperature. Not only does it make logical sense (make it as warm as breastmilk from a breast) but for the same reason you give warm water to someone who is dehydrated - it processes faster. We all know the feeling of being hot and drinking cold water and how you can feel it slosh around in your stomach. That’s because the body has to warm it before it can process it.


ffs. there is NO evidence that you have to heat formula to 98 degrees. Go away.


No, I am not going to go away, Child. It is better for the baby to have warm formula. End of discussion. Yes, you made it harder for your newborn to digest formula - you messed up - get over it. We all make mistakes with our babies and children! But for God’s sake stop defending your mistake by sad attacks!


OP, they will warm the premade formula for you.


lol. well, at least it's good to know that some people are as batsh*t about formula as others are about breastfeeding.


I’m pretty sure the warm formula poster is actually a breastfeeding nazi. It would be really difficult to get formula to precisely 98.6*, which apparentynis the ideal temperature for newborns to consume.

What happens if I run cold (around 97*), but I breastfeed. Should I put a heating pad on my boobs to warm the formula?


Just stop, PP. You have sufficiently embarrassed yourself. Please stop posting now.



Seriously, please stop now.



NP. Foods at body temperature cost the body less energy to process them. This can be important for newborns, especially those who aren't doing well.

- A scientist (who quite frankly doesn't care what you do, but just letting you know the science FWIW)

Now let's have "the pediatrician" respond to this basic fact...


Different pediatrician here, agreeing with both the prior pediatrician and the CDC.

I think this likely represents a difference between "clinically significant" and "statistically significant." Post the study, and we can talk about whether it's generalizable to human infants (if it was a non-human sample) and whether the difference would be clinically significant.

As for the "maximizing the absolutely perfect, super-excellent, mostest-bestest choice each and every time for your baby poster, " well, I wish you the best. I think you have to pick your battles, and I'd focus on the ones where there is a significant difference, myself.
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PS: I mean, sure, warm the RTF bottle if you want. But don't jump on someone else for not making the same choice, and don't try to make them feel bad about it. That's mean. It's bad for the other mom, and it's therefore bad for her baby. The only one it helps is you, if you are using it to feel better about yourself and your choices.

You can do better.
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Most people want the best possible care for babies.
If cold milk is your best, so be it.
But if you can do better, why wouldn't you?
It's that simple, people.
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If you care about baby preference, warming formula isn't always the best for all babies.

If you care about minimizing injury through accidents, supporting postpartum women who may be in very difficult circumstances, and minimizing the unnecessary criticism we pour out onto new mother, insisting on warming formula as being the best choice -- isn't always the best for all babies.

So why is being right so important to you, regardless of whether you actually are?
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Most people want the best possible care for babies.
If cold milk is your best, so be it.
But if you can do better, why wouldn't you?
It's that simple, people.


Because there is no data that suggests it is actually better to warm it. In fact, it can be harmful (burn the baby, heating it in plastic is bad, it starts to break down at certain temps). This is a fake concern troll who insists she is right when in fact she is not. Room temp formula is as good of an option as warming it, and it may be better.
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I breastfeed my babies but after my third was born at VHC I sent her to the nursery at night with instructions to give her formula if she got hungry — *I* was going to sleep. She’s a fat happy 6mo now and I’m nursing her as I type.
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Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone give a newborn cold formula?
Is this an actual formal recommendation now?


No. One poster is just frantically trying to justify her decision to use room temperature formula.

Formula should be warmed to body temperature. Not only does it make logical sense (make it as warm as breastmilk from a breast) but for the same reason you give warm water to someone who is dehydrated - it processes faster. We all know the feeling of being hot and drinking cold water and how you can feel it slosh around in your stomach. That’s because the body has to warm it before it can process it.


ffs. there is NO evidence that you have to heat formula to 98 degrees. Go away.


No, I am not going to go away, Child. It is better for the baby to have warm formula. End of discussion. Yes, you made it harder for your newborn to digest formula - you messed up - get over it. We all make mistakes with our babies and children! But for God’s sake stop defending your mistake by sad attacks!


OP, they will warm the premade formula for you.


lol. well, at least it's good to know that some people are as batsh*t about formula as others are about breastfeeding.


I’m pretty sure the warm formula poster is actually a breastfeeding nazi. It would be really difficult to get formula to precisely 98.6*, which apparentynis the ideal temperature for newborns to consume.

What happens if I run cold (around 97*), but I breastfeed. Should I put a heating pad on my boobs to warm the formula?


Just stop, PP. You have sufficiently embarrassed yourself. Please stop posting now.



Seriously, please stop now.



NP. Foods at body temperature cost the body less energy to process them. This can be important for newborns, especially those who aren't doing well.

- A scientist (who quite frankly doesn't care what you do, but just letting you know the science FWIW)

Why doesn't everyone here comprehend this simple fact?
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone give a newborn cold formula?
Is this an actual formal recommendation now?


No. One poster is just frantically trying to justify her decision to use room temperature formula.

Formula should be warmed to body temperature. Not only does it make logical sense (make it as warm as breastmilk from a breast) but for the same reason you give warm water to someone who is dehydrated - it processes faster. We all know the feeling of being hot and drinking cold water and how you can feel it slosh around in your stomach. That’s because the body has to warm it before it can process it.


ffs. there is NO evidence that you have to heat formula to 98 degrees. Go away.


No, I am not going to go away, Child. It is better for the baby to have warm formula. End of discussion. Yes, you made it harder for your newborn to digest formula - you messed up - get over it. We all make mistakes with our babies and children! But for God’s sake stop defending your mistake by sad attacks!


OP, they will warm the premade formula for you.


lol. well, at least it's good to know that some people are as batsh*t about formula as others are about breastfeeding.


I’m pretty sure the warm formula poster is actually a breastfeeding nazi. It would be really difficult to get formula to precisely 98.6*, which apparentynis the ideal temperature for newborns to consume.

What happens if I run cold (around 97*), but I breastfeed. Should I put a heating pad on my boobs to warm the formula?


Just stop, PP. You have sufficiently embarrassed yourself. Please stop posting now.



Seriously, please stop now.



NP. Foods at body temperature cost the body less energy to process them. This can be important for newborns, especially those who aren't doing well.

- A scientist (who quite frankly doesn't care what you do, but just letting you know the science FWIW)

Now let's have "the pediatrician" respond to this basic fact...


Huh if it's a "basic fact" it's funny that the CDC says bottle warming isn't necessary ...


Again. Some more. No one is saying NECESSARY or "harmful" or "have to." But we ARE talking about optimal and preferred.

Swaddling a baby is not NECESSARY, but it certainly is recommended at least to try by the vast majority of American pediatricians. Rocking/motion is not NECESSARY, but it sure is a solid best practice to *try* when putting a baby to sleep.

Do you get it yet?


No, I don't get it. Not at all.


You really don't get that some of us do nice, cuddly, comforting things for our children--especially newborns and babies--not because it is necessary to do/harmful not to do, but rather because it makes the babies feel more snuggly, safe and secure?

Is a room-temperature bottle technically good nutrition? Yes, yes it is.

Is a warm bottle of formula also good nutrition, that makes the baby feel more comfortable and comforted? Yes, yes it is.

You don't HAVE to swaddle, or rock/walk, or make shushing noises/provide white noise. But all those things help newborns feel calm and comforted. Just like a WARM bottle or breast.


You’re right, I let my newborn be raised by a wire monkey!!
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Anonymous wrote:
NP. Foods at body temperature cost the body less energy to process them. This can be important for newborns, especially those who aren't doing well.

- A scientist (who quite frankly doesn't care what you do, but just letting you know the science FWIW)

Why doesn't everyone here comprehend this simple fact?


To be gentle about it, scientific research doesn't always prove what you think it does.

Post the study/studies, and we can discuss their relevance and impact.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone give a newborn cold formula?
Is this an actual formal recommendation now?


No. One poster is just frantically trying to justify her decision to use room temperature formula.

Formula should be warmed to body temperature. Not only does it make logical sense (make it as warm as breastmilk from a breast) but for the same reason you give warm water to someone who is dehydrated - it processes faster. We all know the feeling of being hot and drinking cold water and how you can feel it slosh around in your stomach. That’s because the body has to warm it before it can process it.


ffs. there is NO evidence that you have to heat formula to 98 degrees. Go away.


No, I am not going to go away, Child. It is better for the baby to have warm formula. End of discussion. Yes, you made it harder for your newborn to digest formula - you messed up - get over it. We all make mistakes with our babies and children! But for God’s sake stop defending your mistake by sad attacks!


OP, they will warm the premade formula for you.


lol. well, at least it's good to know that some people are as batsh*t about formula as others are about breastfeeding.


I’m pretty sure the warm formula poster is actually a breastfeeding nazi. It would be really difficult to get formula to precisely 98.6*, which apparentynis the ideal temperature for newborns to consume.

What happens if I run cold (around 97*), but I breastfeed. Should I put a heating pad on my boobs to warm the formula?


Just stop, PP. You have sufficiently embarrassed yourself. Please stop posting now.



Seriously, please stop now.



NP. Foods at body temperature cost the body less energy to process them. This can be important for newborns, especially those who aren't doing well.

- A scientist (who quite frankly doesn't care what you do, but just letting you know the science FWIW)

Why doesn't everyone here comprehend this simple fact?


Becaue it’s not “science” or “a fact” and even if it were marginally better, as other posters have pointed out, it’s actually BAD parenting to drive yourself crazy doing every tiny thing that is supposedly “preferred” based on arbitrary cultural notions.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone give a newborn cold formula?
Is this an actual formal recommendation now?


No. One poster is just frantically trying to justify her decision to use room temperature formula.

Formula should be warmed to body temperature. Not only does it make logical sense (make it as warm as breastmilk from a breast) but for the same reason you give warm water to someone who is dehydrated - it processes faster. We all know the feeling of being hot and drinking cold water and how you can feel it slosh around in your stomach. That’s because the body has to warm it before it can process it.


ffs. there is NO evidence that you have to heat formula to 98 degrees. Go away.


No, I am not going to go away, Child. It is better for the baby to have warm formula. End of discussion. Yes, you made it harder for your newborn to digest formula - you messed up - get over it. We all make mistakes with our babies and children! But for God’s sake stop defending your mistake by sad attacks!


OP, they will warm the premade formula for you.


lol. well, at least it's good to know that some people are as batsh*t about formula as others are about breastfeeding.


I’m pretty sure the warm formula poster is actually a breastfeeding nazi. It would be really difficult to get formula to precisely 98.6*, which apparentynis the ideal temperature for newborns to consume.

What happens if I run cold (around 97*), but I breastfeed. Should I put a heating pad on my boobs to warm the formula?


Just stop, PP. You have sufficiently embarrassed yourself. Please stop posting now.



Seriously, please stop now.



NP. Foods at body temperature cost the body less energy to process them. This can be important for newborns, especially those who aren't doing well.

- A scientist (who quite frankly doesn't care what you do, but just letting you know the science FWIW)

Why doesn't everyone here comprehend this simple fact?


Becaue it’s not “science” or “a fact” and even if it were marginally better, as other posters have pointed out, it’s actually BAD parenting to drive yourself crazy doing every tiny thing that is supposedly “preferred” based on arbitrary cultural notions.

You seem to truly believe your nonsense. If that's the best you can do, bless you. You do the cold bottles, I'll do warmed bottles.
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DP.

And apparently you'll continue to cherry pick your information and the posts to which you will respond. Fair enough. Have a great weekend.
Anonymous
Having a control freak mother is sub-optimal for a child of any age. And most definitely not comforting.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone give a newborn cold formula?
Is this an actual formal recommendation now?


No. One poster is just frantically trying to justify her decision to use room temperature formula.

Formula should be warmed to body temperature. Not only does it make logical sense (make it as warm as breastmilk from a breast) but for the same reason you give warm water to someone who is dehydrated - it processes faster. We all know the feeling of being hot and drinking cold water and how you can feel it slosh around in your stomach. That’s because the body has to warm it before it can process it.


ffs. there is NO evidence that you have to heat formula to 98 degrees. Go away.


No, I am not going to go away, Child. It is better for the baby to have warm formula. End of discussion. Yes, you made it harder for your newborn to digest formula - you messed up - get over it. We all make mistakes with our babies and children! But for God’s sake stop defending your mistake by sad attacks!


OP, they will warm the premade formula for you.


lol. well, at least it's good to know that some people are as batsh*t about formula as others are about breastfeeding.


I’m pretty sure the warm formula poster is actually a breastfeeding nazi. It would be really difficult to get formula to precisely 98.6*, which apparentynis the ideal temperature for newborns to consume.

What happens if I run cold (around 97*), but I breastfeed. Should I put a heating pad on my boobs to warm the formula?


Just stop, PP. You have sufficiently embarrassed yourself. Please stop posting now.



Seriously, please stop now.



NP. Foods at body temperature cost the body less energy to process them. This can be important for newborns, especially those who aren't doing well.

- A scientist (who quite frankly doesn't care what you do, but just letting you know the science FWIW)

Why doesn't everyone here comprehend this simple fact?


Becaue it’s not “science” or “a fact” and even if it were marginally better, as other posters have pointed out, it’s actually BAD parenting to drive yourself crazy doing every tiny thing that is supposedly “preferred” based on arbitrary cultural notions.

You seem to truly believe your nonsense. If that's the best you can do, bless you. You do the cold bottles, I'll do warmed bottles.


If you posted something evidence-based showing that cold or room temperature bottles is dangerous, then I'd listen to you. As it is, you're the one clearly engaged in nonsense: insisting that we're bad mothers if we don't follow all your old wives' tales.
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Um, yes, babies are meant to receive warm milk. Breast milk is warm. The vast majority of parents and care givers warm formula.

That's an example of the naturalistic fallacy. it is a fact that breast milk comes out warm. It is not a fact that babies are meant to receive warm milk (meant by whom?). It is also not a fact that room-temperature formula (or room-temperature breast milk) is harmful.



If human babies were not meant to drink warm milk (nature, God, evolution, take your pick), it wouldn’t be warm.

Room-temperature formula is not harmful, but it is also not optimal. Just like a newborn CAN sleep unswaddled in a noisy, light environment...but that sure isn’t optimal.


Omg. Stop it.


I never said it was harmful; you put those words in my mouth. Ask your ped what is preferred.


You're in luck, I'm a pediatrician! Temp doesn't matter unless there are hot spots in the formula (like from microwaving- which is never recommended). You don't want to scald the baby. Some babies prefer warm, some don't care one way or another, the nutrients are the same either way and that's what is important.

Perhaps always give your baby a cold bottle, so they don't know what they're missing? Nevermind the increasing rate of reflux. When I advised the parents to warm up the formula, the reflux disappeared. Now, how did that happen? And I'm not even a doctor.

Btw, you apparently missed the new study which showed that breastfeed babies have lower obesity issues down the road, for a variety of reasons. It concluded that once breastmilk goes to the refrigerator/freezer, it starts losing nutrients.

You need a refresher course, my friend.


I think that much is clear, yes!
Breastfed babies having lower obesity down the road has nothing to do with formula being served room temp or body temp. I don't think you need a medical degree to see those things aren't related. One school of thought is that BF babies can regulate their intake better than bottle fed babies, for example. Nothing to do with temperature. And yes, taking breastmilk and storing it does break down some nutrients. Again- this has nothing to do with formula being warmed, unless you think that warming formula that has been sitting at room temp in the bottle somehow ADDS nutrients to it? But again- it's clear you aren't a doctor!
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