For the moms who didn’t breastfeed in the hospital

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Um, yes, babies are meant to receive warm milk. Breast milk is warm. The vast majority of parents and care givers warm formula.

That's an example of the naturalistic fallacy. it is a fact that breast milk comes out warm. It is not a fact that babies are meant to receive warm milk (meant by whom?). It is also not a fact that room-temperature formula (or room-temperature breast milk) is harmful.



If human babies were not meant to drink warm milk (nature, God, evolution, take your pick), it wouldn’t be warm.

Room-temperature formula is not harmful, but it is also not optimal. Just like a newborn CAN sleep unswaddled in a noisy, light environment...but that sure isn’t optimal.


Omg. Stop it.


I never said it was harmful; you put those words in my mouth. Ask your ped what is preferred.


You're in luck, I'm a pediatrician! Temp doesn't matter unless there are hot spots in the formula (like from microwaving- which is never recommended). You don't want to scald the baby. Some babies prefer warm, some don't care one way or another, the nutrients are the same either way and that's what is important.
Anonymous
“Milk has to be warm” is one of those things that older women will swear is true. I heard a lady berating a young mom on an airplane for bringing a ready made formula bottle for her baby and feeding it to the crying baby on the plane (trying to stop the crying). The older woman then took the baby from the woman to “calm it down.” That poor young mother was so upset and stressed:
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Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone give a newborn cold formula?
Is this an actual formal recommendation now?


No. One poster is just frantically trying to justify her decision to use room temperature formula.

Formula should be warmed to body temperature. Not only does it make logical sense (make it as warm as breastmilk from a breast) but for the same reason you give warm water to someone who is dehydrated - it processes faster. We all know the feeling of being hot and drinking cold water and how you can feel it slosh around in your stomach. That’s because the body has to warm it before it can process it.


ffs. there is NO evidence that you have to heat formula to 98 degrees. Go away.


No, I am not going to go away, Child. It is better for the baby to have warm formula. End of discussion. Yes, you made it harder for your newborn to digest formula - you messed up - get over it. We all make mistakes with our babies and children! But for God’s sake stop defending your mistake by sad attacks!


OP, they will warm the premade formula for you.


lol. well, at least it's good to know that some people are as batsh*t about formula as others are about breastfeeding.


I’m pretty sure the warm formula poster is actually a breastfeeding nazi. It would be really difficult to get formula to precisely 98.6*, which apparentynis the ideal temperature for newborns to consume.

What happens if I run cold (around 97*), but I breastfeed. Should I put a heating pad on my boobs to warm the formula?


Just stop, PP. You have sufficiently embarrassed yourself. Please stop posting now.



Seriously, please stop now.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone give a newborn cold formula?
Is this an actual formal recommendation now?


No. One poster is just frantically trying to justify her decision to use room temperature formula.

Formula should be warmed to body temperature. Not only does it make logical sense (make it as warm as breastmilk from a breast) but for the same reason you give warm water to someone who is dehydrated - it processes faster. We all know the feeling of being hot and drinking cold water and how you can feel it slosh around in your stomach. That’s because the body has to warm it before it can process it.


ffs. there is NO evidence that you have to heat formula to 98 degrees. Go away.


No, I am not going to go away, Child. It is better for the baby to have warm formula. End of discussion. Yes, you made it harder for your newborn to digest formula - you messed up - get over it. We all make mistakes with our babies and children! But for God’s sake stop defending your mistake by sad attacks!


OP, they will warm the premade formula for you.


lol. well, at least it's good to know that some people are as batsh*t about formula as others are about breastfeeding.


I’m pretty sure the warm formula poster is actually a breastfeeding nazi. It would be really difficult to get formula to precisely 98.6*, which apparentynis the ideal temperature for newborns to consume.

What happens if I run cold (around 97*), but I breastfeed. Should I put a heating pad on my boobs to warm the formula?


Just stop, PP. You have sufficiently embarrassed yourself. Please stop posting now.



Seriously, please stop now.



NP. Foods at body temperature cost the body less energy to process them. This can be important for newborns, especially those who aren't doing well.

- A scientist (who quite frankly doesn't care what you do, but just letting you know the science FWIW)
Anonymous
NP. I do think warming formula is definitely important, whenever reasonably possible. If you're on an airplane or something, then of course room temperature is fine. But if you are at home and things are relatively under control, I don't see any reasonable reason not to warm the formula.

Not sure why you think those in favor of warming formula are "breastfeeding nazis." That...just doesn't make any sense. At all. I used formula with both of my babies, and definitely prioritized warming it whenever possible. Explain to me, exactly, how that makes me a "breastfeeding nazi." I'll wait.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

Um, yes, babies are meant to receive warm milk. Breast milk is warm. The vast majority of parents and care givers warm formula.

That's an example of the naturalistic fallacy. it is a fact that breast milk comes out warm. It is not a fact that babies are meant to receive warm milk (meant by whom?). It is also not a fact that room-temperature formula (or room-temperature breast milk) is harmful.



If human babies were not meant to drink warm milk (nature, God, evolution, take your pick), it wouldn’t be warm.

Room-temperature formula is not harmful, but it is also not optimal. Just like a newborn CAN sleep unswaddled in a noisy, light environment...but that sure isn’t optimal.


Omg. Stop it.


I never said it was harmful; you put those words in my mouth. Ask your ped what is preferred.


You're in luck, I'm a pediatrician! Temp doesn't matter unless there are hot spots in the formula (like from microwaving- which is never recommended). You don't want to scald the baby. Some babies prefer warm, some don't care one way or another, the nutrients are the same either way and that's what is important.

Perhaps always give your baby a cold bottle, so they don't know what they're missing? Nevermind the increasing rate of reflux. When I advised the parents to warm up the formula, the reflux disappeared. Now, how did that happen? And I'm not even a doctor.

Btw, you apparently missed the new study which showed that breastfeed babies have lower obesity issues down the road, for a variety of reasons. It concluded that once breastmilk goes to the refrigerator/freezer, it starts losing nutrients.

You need a refresher course, my friend.
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Anonymous wrote:Why not breastfeed for just a few weeks?
The formula still needs to be properly warmed in the hospital.


You can give ready to feed at room temperature. No need to warm it.


That seems hard on a little tummy/system designed to receive warm milk. What about bringing a bottle warmer with you?


No, it’s really OK. But good concern trolling.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why not breastfeed for just a few weeks?
The formula still needs to be properly warmed in the hospital.


You can give ready to feed at room temperature. No need to warm it.


That seems hard on a little tummy/system designed to receive warm milk. What about bringing a bottle warmer with you?



PP- clearly you know nothing about formula. The OP said she doesn't want to breastfeed, and you are one of those saying "why not just try." BECAUSE SHE DOESN'T WANT TO! THAT IS FINE!!!! All of my children got room temp formula in the hospital. Their tummies were just fine.

OP- Make sure DH can speak up on your behalf because you may just not have a lot of energy to address it. I delivered at a baby friendly hospital and they did not question the formula, but all hospitals are different. Be upfront and tell them, and if they are pushy, just tell them to go away.
Anonymous
I haven’t read all the responses so sorry if this repeats someone else’s experience, but when I delivered DC2 at a local “baby-friendly” hospital (where I delivered DC1), I told the recovery nurses to bring me formula. I felt enormous pressure to BF with DC1 and she ended up with horrific jaundice and a long hospital stay. For what?! So I could say nary a drop of formula touched her lips? No way.

For DC 2 she had formula available from the start. My recovery nurse wordlessly handed it to me, then hugged me. She told me she was proud of me for standing up for my baby instead of putting my pride before her health.

Fast forward a year and wouldn’t you know the little bugger ditched formula after a week and won’t wean from
The Boob Figures. But I’m happy to have stood up for what I wanted and I got zero pushback.

Have confidence, be firm, and you don’t need to apologize for that. Believe me, your nurses are likely behind you every step of the way regardless of what you choose to do, as long as you have your health and your baby’s health in mind.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone give a newborn cold formula?
Is this an actual formal recommendation now?


No. One poster is just frantically trying to justify her decision to use room temperature formula.

Formula should be warmed to body temperature. Not only does it make logical sense (make it as warm as breastmilk from a breast) but for the same reason you give warm water to someone who is dehydrated - it processes faster. We all know the feeling of being hot and drinking cold water and how you can feel it slosh around in your stomach. That’s because the body has to warm it before it can process it.


ffs. there is NO evidence that you have to heat formula to 98 degrees. Go away.


No, I am not going to go away, Child. It is better for the baby to have warm formula. End of discussion. Yes, you made it harder for your newborn to digest formula - you messed up - get over it. We all make mistakes with our babies and children! But for God’s sake stop defending your mistake by sad attacks!


OP, they will warm the premade formula for you.


lol. well, at least it's good to know that some people are as batsh*t about formula as others are about breastfeeding.


I’m pretty sure the warm formula poster is actually a breastfeeding nazi. It would be really difficult to get formula to precisely 98.6*, which apparentynis the ideal temperature for newborns to consume.

What happens if I run cold (around 97*), but I breastfeed. Should I put a heating pad on my boobs to warm the formula?


Just stop, PP. You have sufficiently embarrassed yourself. Please stop posting now.



Seriously, please stop now.



NP. Foods at body temperature cost the body less energy to process them. This can be important for newborns, especially those who aren't doing well.

- A scientist (who quite frankly doesn't care what you do, but just letting you know the science FWIW)

Now let's have "the pediatrician" respond to this basic fact...
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone give a newborn cold formula?
Is this an actual formal recommendation now?


No. One poster is just frantically trying to justify her decision to use room temperature formula.

Formula should be warmed to body temperature. Not only does it make logical sense (make it as warm as breastmilk from a breast) but for the same reason you give warm water to someone who is dehydrated - it processes faster. We all know the feeling of being hot and drinking cold water and how you can feel it slosh around in your stomach. That’s because the body has to warm it before it can process it.


ffs. there is NO evidence that you have to heat formula to 98 degrees. Go away.


No, I am not going to go away, Child. It is better for the baby to have warm formula. End of discussion. Yes, you made it harder for your newborn to digest formula - you messed up - get over it. We all make mistakes with our babies and children! But for God’s sake stop defending your mistake by sad attacks!


OP, they will warm the premade formula for you.


lol. well, at least it's good to know that some people are as batsh*t about formula as others are about breastfeeding.


I’m pretty sure the warm formula poster is actually a breastfeeding nazi. It would be really difficult to get formula to precisely 98.6*, which apparentynis the ideal temperature for newborns to consume.

What happens if I run cold (around 97*), but I breastfeed. Should I put a heating pad on my boobs to warm the formula?


Just stop, PP. You have sufficiently embarrassed yourself. Please stop posting now.



Seriously, please stop now.



NP. Foods at body temperature cost the body less energy to process them. This can be important for newborns, especially those who aren't doing well.

- A scientist (who quite frankly doesn't care what you do, but just letting you know the science FWIW)

Now let's have "the pediatrician" respond to this basic fact...


Huh if it's a "basic fact" it's funny that the CDC says bottle warming isn't necessary ...
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone give a newborn cold formula?
Is this an actual formal recommendation now?


No. One poster is just frantically trying to justify her decision to use room temperature formula.

Formula should be warmed to body temperature. Not only does it make logical sense (make it as warm as breastmilk from a breast) but for the same reason you give warm water to someone who is dehydrated - it processes faster. We all know the feeling of being hot and drinking cold water and how you can feel it slosh around in your stomach. That’s because the body has to warm it before it can process it.


ffs. there is NO evidence that you have to heat formula to 98 degrees. Go away.


No, I am not going to go away, Child. It is better for the baby to have warm formula. End of discussion. Yes, you made it harder for your newborn to digest formula - you messed up - get over it. We all make mistakes with our babies and children! But for God’s sake stop defending your mistake by sad attacks!


OP, they will warm the premade formula for you.


lol. well, at least it's good to know that some people are as batsh*t about formula as others are about breastfeeding.


I’m pretty sure the warm formula poster is actually a breastfeeding nazi. It would be really difficult to get formula to precisely 98.6*, which apparentynis the ideal temperature for newborns to consume.

What happens if I run cold (around 97*), but I breastfeed. Should I put a heating pad on my boobs to warm the formula?


Just stop, PP. You have sufficiently embarrassed yourself. Please stop posting now.



Seriously, please stop now.



NP. Foods at body temperature cost the body less energy to process them. This can be important for newborns, especially those who aren't doing well.

- A scientist (who quite frankly doesn't care what you do, but just letting you know the science FWIW)

Now let's have "the pediatrician" respond to this basic fact...


Huh if it's a "basic fact" it's funny that the CDC says bottle warming isn't necessary ...


Again. Some more. No one is saying NECESSARY or "harmful" or "have to." But we ARE talking about optimal and preferred.

Swaddling a baby is not NECESSARY, but it certainly is recommended at least to try by the vast majority of American pediatricians. Rocking/motion is not NECESSARY, but it sure is a solid best practice to *try* when putting a baby to sleep.

Do you get it yet?
Anonymous
Bring packs of the nursettes, as well as NB flow nipples. IME, the hospital was willing to give me more formula when I ran out of the ones we bought, but the nipples they supplied were not the right flow. Our baby kept spitting up, which, of course was unsettling, but also gave the nurses the opportunity to argue we were feeding the baby too much. I also suggest bringing your own pacifiers.
FWIW, I didn’t warm formula for either of my kids. I served it either room temperature (for the ready-to-feed) or cold. Even my 35w, and they drank it just fine.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone give a newborn cold formula?
Is this an actual formal recommendation now?


No. One poster is just frantically trying to justify her decision to use room temperature formula.

Formula should be warmed to body temperature. Not only does it make logical sense (make it as warm as breastmilk from a breast) but for the same reason you give warm water to someone who is dehydrated - it processes faster. We all know the feeling of being hot and drinking cold water and how you can feel it slosh around in your stomach. That’s because the body has to warm it before it can process it.


ffs. there is NO evidence that you have to heat formula to 98 degrees. Go away.


No, I am not going to go away, Child. It is better for the baby to have warm formula. End of discussion. Yes, you made it harder for your newborn to digest formula - you messed up - get over it. We all make mistakes with our babies and children! But for God’s sake stop defending your mistake by sad attacks!


OP, they will warm the premade formula for you.


lol. well, at least it's good to know that some people are as batsh*t about formula as others are about breastfeeding.


I’m pretty sure the warm formula poster is actually a breastfeeding nazi. It would be really difficult to get formula to precisely 98.6*, which apparentynis the ideal temperature for newborns to consume.

What happens if I run cold (around 97*), but I breastfeed. Should I put a heating pad on my boobs to warm the formula?


Just stop, PP. You have sufficiently embarrassed yourself. Please stop posting now.



Seriously, please stop now.



NP. Foods at body temperature cost the body less energy to process them. This can be important for newborns, especially those who aren't doing well.

- A scientist (who quite frankly doesn't care what you do, but just letting you know the science FWIW)

Now let's have "the pediatrician" respond to this basic fact...


Huh if it's a "basic fact" it's funny that the CDC says bottle warming isn't necessary ...


Again. Some more. No one is saying NECESSARY or "harmful" or "have to." But we ARE talking about optimal and preferred.

Swaddling a baby is not NECESSARY, but it certainly is recommended at least to try by the vast majority of American pediatricians. Rocking/motion is not NECESSARY, but it sure is a solid best practice to *try* when putting a baby to sleep.

Do you get it yet?


No, I don't get it. Not at all.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone give a newborn cold formula?
Is this an actual formal recommendation now?


No. One poster is just frantically trying to justify her decision to use room temperature formula.

Formula should be warmed to body temperature. Not only does it make logical sense (make it as warm as breastmilk from a breast) but for the same reason you give warm water to someone who is dehydrated - it processes faster. We all know the feeling of being hot and drinking cold water and how you can feel it slosh around in your stomach. That’s because the body has to warm it before it can process it.


ffs. there is NO evidence that you have to heat formula to 98 degrees. Go away.


No, I am not going to go away, Child. It is better for the baby to have warm formula. End of discussion. Yes, you made it harder for your newborn to digest formula - you messed up - get over it. We all make mistakes with our babies and children! But for God’s sake stop defending your mistake by sad attacks!


OP, they will warm the premade formula for you.


lol. well, at least it's good to know that some people are as batsh*t about formula as others are about breastfeeding.


I’m pretty sure the warm formula poster is actually a breastfeeding nazi. It would be really difficult to get formula to precisely 98.6*, which apparentynis the ideal temperature for newborns to consume.

What happens if I run cold (around 97*), but I breastfeed. Should I put a heating pad on my boobs to warm the formula?


Just stop, PP. You have sufficiently embarrassed yourself. Please stop posting now.



Seriously, please stop now.



NP. Foods at body temperature cost the body less energy to process them. This can be important for newborns, especially those who aren't doing well.

- A scientist (who quite frankly doesn't care what you do, but just letting you know the science FWIW)

Now let's have "the pediatrician" respond to this basic fact...


Huh if it's a "basic fact" it's funny that the CDC says bottle warming isn't necessary ...


Again. Some more. No one is saying NECESSARY or "harmful" or "have to." But we ARE talking about optimal and preferred.

Swaddling a baby is not NECESSARY, but it certainly is recommended at least to try by the vast majority of American pediatricians. Rocking/motion is not NECESSARY, but it sure is a solid best practice to *try* when putting a baby to sleep.

Do you get it yet?


No, I don't get it. Not at all.


You really don't get that some of us do nice, cuddly, comforting things for our children--especially newborns and babies--not because it is necessary to do/harmful not to do, but rather because it makes the babies feel more snuggly, safe and secure?

Is a room-temperature bottle technically good nutrition? Yes, yes it is.

Is a warm bottle of formula also good nutrition, that makes the baby feel more comfortable and comforted? Yes, yes it is.

You don't HAVE to swaddle, or rock/walk, or make shushing noises/provide white noise. But all those things help newborns feel calm and comforted. Just like a WARM bottle or breast.
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