use sport to get into an Ivy school and quit one month after freshman year

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Anonymous wrote:Alabama takes away sports scholarships if a student is injured and can't play anymore. Where is there sense of honor/commitment/integrity to the student athletes? Is the college an institution of higher learning or is it running a development team for the pros?

None of the Ivy coaches have the ability to make a hard commitment like the semi-pro sports colleges. All those letters and verbal commitments mean nothing but intent. You can't count on an admission decision until you receive a likely letter from the admissions office after you submit your completed application. Your sports participation is just another extracurricular activity that does not affect your financial aid or standing as a student. So if you decide to stop running track or getting up at 4AM for crew is interfering with getting an education, then you stop.

We're talking Ivy here not Big 10 sports which is a whole other game. That likely letter is a commitment for a ticket to an elite education at a school with a great deal of resources per student. The statement above is just finding excuses. If the kid chooses to renege without giving it a real try, that's his and the family's choice but call it what it is and be prepared to handle any fallout.

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Anonymous wrote:Son is a HS senior and highly recruited athlete with good, not great grade. He is being heavily recruited by a couple of Ivy schools. Son is good but not pro material. Our family can afford the tuition without assistance. Son realizes that it will be impossible for him to handle both academic and athletic at school because he is already having a hard time for the past two years.

He is thinking of accepting one of the Ivy offers and when he starts his freshman year there, just quit the team so that he can focus only on academic. Can he be kicked out of school for doing this?

How is he doing this? Most Ivies have very high requirements for SAT scores and grades for all students, including their recruited athletes, musicians, etc. I honestly think this is a troll post because frankly I don't see any of the cue words (that I'm not giving here) that would indicate this is a valid post. Name the sport and the Ivy for your supposed SENIOR son!!!

I think you are correct and I should have caught that.

I kind of thought it was a troll as well but intrigued to see the responses.

This shows u know very little of athletic recruiting at ivies. There is something called academic index. If u go to a HS and take the easiest classes, your GPA will be high and can meet min AI. U have athletes that are bench athletes that have high scores and those who meet minimal or just below AI. I know of Yale recruited athletes that were tutored in basic math over the summer before starting freshman year as their Math score of the SAT was around 600. I know of ice hockey recruits being offered spots at ivies if they could just get 1300 (out of the 2400 score). There is a lot going on that the average joe is not aware of.

LOL you are completely full of sh*t.

[Anonymous]

It is a long thread but thought I would offer my two cents. Athletes at Ivies are definitely accepted with lower stats than non-athletes, certainly not all of the athletes and maybe not even all of the schools. The athletes will generally have to have very good stats but often not the same as non-athletes. Kids quit their sports all the time in college, particularly back ups. If you are a scholarship athlete, you would almost certainly have to forfeit your scholarship, but most college athletes are not, and none in the Ivies are (often times aid can be arranged). So quitting one's sport at an Ivy is not likely to lead to any school sanction. Your son may struggle given the lower admit scores and will not have the excuse that his sport hurt his grades but most people will accept that given the quality of the school and general grade inflation. The one thing I would say is that accepting the offer with no intent to play a sport is kind of a definition of fraud, not the best way to start college and not the best thing for a parent to encourage.

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OP -

I think you and your child needs to think about what it means to be one of the weaker students in the school. For some, that's fine given other interests and talents. For others, it may be intimidating and a recipe for disaster.

Here's my example: My son chose an engineering school where he's at the 75th percentile. He didn't want to be closed out of majors and other opportunities that only went to more competitive students. He doesn't want to be struggling all the time just to be middling. He wanted that little edge. If your kid has a personality like his, using the sport to open the door would be a terrible idea.

(my kid does have a serious athletic interest/talent, but it is not connected with school)

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Dc. At top 10 SLAC has seen a few kids do this. They do get some mild hazing on campus by the team. The sports kids all hang together so the thing is he will he branded a quitter by the athletes and a “sporty” by the others. DS said most who quit eventually transfer out as the school was never a good fit. Probably true if you have to use athletics to get in.

[Anonymous]

This is an excellent example of white privilege. Thanks for enlightening us!

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Anonymous wrote:Alabama takes away sports scholarships if a student is injured and can't play anymore. Where is there sense of honor/commitment/integrity to the student athletes? Is the college an institution of higher learning or is it running a development team for the pros?

None of the Ivy coaches have the ability to make a hard commitment like the semi-pro sports colleges. All those letters and verbal commitments mean nothing but intent. You can't count on an admission decision until you receive a likely letter from the admissions office after you submit your completed application. Your sports participation is just another extracurricular activity that does not affect your financial aid or standing as a student. So if you decide to stop running track or getting up at 4AM for crew is interfering with getting an education, then you stop.

We're talking Ivy here not Big 10 sports which is a whole other game. That likely letter is a commitment for a ticket to an elite education at a school with a great deal of resources per student. The statement above is just finding excuses. If the kid chooses to renege without giving it a real try, that's his and the family's choice but call it what it is and be prepared to handle any fallout.

Alabama is its own animal. Schools like Wisconsin will find other money to honor a scholarship if someone is injured and can no longer play.

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Anonymous wrote:Son is a HS senior and highly recruited athlete with good, not great grade. He is being heavily recruited by a couple of Ivy schools. Son is good but not pro material. Our family can afford the tuition without assistance. Son realizes that it will be impossible for him to handle both academic and athletic at school because he is already having a hard time for the past two years.

He is thinking of accepting one of the Ivy offers and when he starts his freshman year there, just quit the team so that he can focus only on academic. Can he be kicked out of school for doing this?

How is he doing this? Most Ivies have very high requirements for SAT scores and grades for all students, including their recruited athletes, musicians, etc. I honestly think this is a troll post because frankly I don't see any of the cue words (that I'm not giving here) that would indicate this is a valid post. Name the sport and the Ivy for your supposed SENIOR son!!!

I think you are correct and I should have caught that.

I kind of thought it was a troll as well but intrigued to see the responses.

This shows u know very little of athletic recruiting at ivies. There is something called academic index. If u go to a HS and take the easiest classes, your GPA will be high and can meet min AI. U have athletes that are bench athletes that have high scores and those who meet minimal or just below AI. I know of Yale recruited athletes that were tutored in basic math over the summer before starting freshman year as their Math score of the SAT was around 600. I know of ice hockey recruits being offered spots at ivies if they could just get 1300 (out of the 2400 score). There is a lot going on that the average joe is not aware of.

LOL you are completely full of sh*t.

I went to an Ivy and this was true. At least it was 20 years ago. I’m sure it’s still true today.

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Anonymous wrote:Son is a HS senior and highly recruited athlete with good, not great grade. He is being heavily recruited by a couple of Ivy schools. Son is good but not pro material. Our family can afford the tuition without assistance. Son realizes that it will be impossible for him to handle both academic and athletic at school because he is already having a hard time for the past two years.

He is thinking of accepting one of the Ivy offers and when he starts his freshman year there, just quit the team so that he can focus only on academic. Can he be kicked out of school for doing this?

How is he doing this? Most Ivies have very high requirements for SAT scores and grades for all students, including their recruited athletes, musicians, etc. I honestly think this is a troll post because frankly I don't see any of the cue words (that I'm not giving here) that would indicate this is a valid post. Name the sport and the Ivy for your supposed SENIOR son!!!

I think you are correct and I should have caught that.

I kind of thought it was a troll as well but intrigued to see the responses.

This shows u know very little of athletic recruiting at ivies. There is something called academic index. If u go to a HS and take the easiest classes, your GPA will be high and can meet min AI. U have athletes that are bench athletes that have high scores and those who meet minimal or just below AI. I know of Yale recruited athletes that were tutored in basic math over the summer before starting freshman year as their Math score of the SAT was around 600. I know of ice hockey recruits being offered spots at ivies if they could just get 1300 (out of the 2400 score). There is a lot going on that the average joe is not aware of.

LOL you are completely full of sh*t.

I went to an Ivy and this was true. At least it was 20 years ago. I’m sure it’s still true today.

There were no hockey players at your Ivy who scored 850 on the SATs, sorry.