use sport to get into an Ivy school and quit one month after freshman year

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Anonymous wrote:If u come from a high school strong in ice hockey, kids get offers as early as grade 10. Helmet sports go first. The kids my decide to go to juniors w accepted offer/commitments.

My daughters attend a top private with a pretty strong soccer program. Two girls have had Ivy offers since 9th grade. The misinformation in here about SAT and GPA requirements is comical.

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Anonymous wrote:How soon is he thinking of quitting? One month? After one year? It is one thing to be cut or get injured, but if the only way you are getting in to a school is by being recruited, seems pretty unethical to plan this in advance. I wouldn't want my kid growing up with the idea that this is OK.

Also he is hurting potential recruits from his school that might be coming up behind him.

And, he his hurting the college team/program. Coaches recruit specifically because they need athletes to fill spots at those particular sports/positions, and quitting a month in could leave the team in a bind.

To accept a recruiting offer knowing full well that you have no actual intention of playing the sport is a shitty thing to do. Period.

+1 Coach went to bat for him and that's the only reason he got in and he quits immediately? Very poor behavior. He is letting down his coach and his teammates and stole a recruiting slot from another applicant.

+2 this demonstrates really low moral character.

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There's no reason he should make himself stressed out and miserable in college just because of the brand name. Think hard about what he wants to do later, whether the college name matters for that activity, and whether he will get anything out of his academic studies if he goes there.

Because I can GUARANTEE you that if he's struggling now, he won't make it over there, even without the sport! There is no hand-holding at an Ivy.

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There's no reason he should make himself stressed out and miserable in college just because of the brand name. Think hard about what he wants to do later, whether the college name matters for that activity, and whether he will get anything out of his academic studies if he goes there.

Because I can GUARANTEE you that if he's struggling now, he won't make it over there, even without the sport! There is no hand-holding at an Ivy.

LOL this is not reality.

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Anonymous wrote:If u come from a high school strong in ice hockey, kids get offers as early as grade 10. Helmet sports go first. The kids my decide to go to juniors w accepted offer/commitments.

This makes no sense -- why would a kid decide to go to the juniors once he has an offer... I understand the offer may be conditional on a kid going, but certainly not something one would choose... why risk injury and loss of admission?

Also, are you speaking of American HS? Andover level maybe, but aren't they usually post-grads?

They go to the juniors because that is where they are recruited from, is my understanding. The average age of a hockey freshman is 20.5. I am not saying you are wrong, I am saying I would like some evidence of those players being recruited in 10th grade.

NP. The hockey kids are getting recruited in high school. They then typically go play a year or two in a US junior league (maaaaaaybe a lower tier Canadian league) before going to college. But they are graduating high school with a commitment and then defer. If they go play for one of the Canadian major junior leagues they are no longer NCAA eligible.

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Anonymous wrote:If u come from a high school strong in ice hockey, kids get offers as early as grade 10. Helmet sports go first. The kids my decide to go to juniors w accepted offer/commitments.

This makes no sense -- why would a kid decide to go to the juniors once he has an offer... I understand the offer may be conditional on a kid going, but certainly not something one would choose... why risk injury and loss of admission?

Also, are you speaking of American HS? Andover level maybe, but aren't they usually post-grads?

They go to the juniors because that is where they are recruited from, is my understanding. The average age of a hockey freshman is 20.5. I am not saying you are wrong, I am saying I would like some evidence of those players being recruited in 10th grade.

NP. The hockey kids are getting recruited in high school. They then typically go play a year or two in a US junior league (maaaaaaybe a lower tier Canadian league) before going to college. But they are graduating high school with a commitment and then defer. If they go play for one of the Canadian major junior leagues they are no longer NCAA eligible.

Correct. Look at this website and look at year they will be playing in college.
http://collegehockeyinc.com/commitments.php

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And this:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.twincities.com/2017/09/15/how-young-is-too-young-coaches-debate-after-13-year-old-commits-to-gophers/amp/

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At a D1 school - depending how big the sport is, athletes have tutors assigned to them. Some big programs even have tutors travel with the team. Kids will be tutored in the bus. There is a lot of hand holding of these athletes.

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Anonymous wrote:And this:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.twincities.com/2017/09/15/how-young-is-too-young-coaches-debate-after-13-year-old-commits-to-gophers/amp/

These stats are for Minn High School boys commitments - these same stats will be true for any state:

YEAR WHEN COMMIT # PCT.
Graduate 40 25%
Senior 41 26%
Junior 24 15%
Sophomore 30 19%
Freshman 23 15%
PROJECTED STARTING YEAR # PCT.
2018-19 79 50%
2019-20 43 27%
2020-21 21 13%
2021-22 13 8%
2022-23 2 1%

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There's no reason he should make himself stressed out and miserable in college just because of the brand name. Think hard about what he wants to do later, whether the college name matters for that activity, and whether he will get anything out of his academic studies if he goes there.

Because I can GUARANTEE you that if he's struggling now, he won't make it over there, even without the sport! There is no hand-holding at an Ivy.

LOL this is not reality.

I have a DC in public and a DC in ivy. The ivy kid has so much MORE hand holding than the public DC. It is like a cocoon - bubble wrapped. Grades are P/F first semester to ensure a soft landing.

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Anonymous wrote:Son is a HS senior and highly recruited athlete with good, not great grade. He is being heavily recruited by a couple of Ivy schools. Son is good but not pro material. Our family can afford the tuition without assistance. Son realizes that it will be impossible for him to handle both academic and athletic at school because he is already having a hard time for the past two years.

He is thinking of accepting one of the Ivy offers and when he starts his freshman year there, just quit the team so that he can focus only on academic. Can he be kicked out of school for doing this?

How is he doing this? Most Ivies have very high requirements for SAT scores and grades for all students, including their recruited athletes, musicians, etc. I honestly think this is a troll post because frankly I don't see any of the cue words (that I'm not giving here) that would indicate this is a valid post. Name the sport and the Ivy for your supposed SENIOR son!!!

I think you are correct and I should have caught that.

I kind of thought it was a troll as well but intrigued to see the responses.

This shows u know very little of athletic recruiting at ivies. There is something called academic index. If u go to a HS and take the easiest classes, your GPA will be high and can meet min AI. U have athletes that are bench athletes that have high scores and those who meet minimal or just below AI. I know of Yale recruited athletes that were tutored in basic math over the summer before starting freshman year as their Math score of the SAT was around 600. I know of ice hockey recruits being offered spots at ivies if they could just get 1300 (out of the 2400 score). There is a lot going on that the average joe is not aware of.

I call BS. There is NO Ivy that would accept a 1300 total score out of 2400 for ice hockey … or football or basketball for that matter. And a 600 math score is still an acceptable score if the other score/s (depending on the SAT year for 1600 or 2400) are high enough.

I am not an average Joe. We currently have 3 recruited students attending Ivies so my wife and I are very well acquainted with the process.

You are correct that coaches and departments watch recruitment scores very carefully. Two of our kids were asked to retest in Jan/Feb I believe, in other words after acceptance , because even going from a 2180 to a 2200, as a real example, would give the team or department a boost on the index. It was NBD, our kids did it happily, and indeed their higher scores (by 20 or 35 points) resulted in benefits for their respective schools/teams/departments.

I do stipulate that the OP is trolling. I don't see any of the indicators in terminology showing legitimacy. I think it is some dodo (or their parent) who isn't multi-dimensional and has a grudge against scholar athletes, falsely believing that scholar athletes are the reason why they aren't getting into the school they want.

It is not BS. The example above is for NHL caliber kids. I have ivies recruited kids also and they attended a private that send over 25% just to ivies and most are due to being recruited. So we know the game very well.

What privates sends more than 25% of its class to just the seven Ivy schools?

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Anonymous wrote:When I went to an Ivy 20 years ago, there were recruited athletes who quit after the first season. It was kind of tough for them because there was a bit of snobbery around recruited athletes, a lot of people who weren't regarded the recruited athletes as beneath them and didn't really socialize with them. Their former teammates didn't want to hang out with them once they quit either, and they seemed kind of socially isolated. I won't say it was right or kind, but the dynamic was there and it would make me hesitant to have one of my kids do what your son is thinking of doing.

I also went to an Ivy 20 years ago and while I do remember the general snobbery towards athletes and the divide between athletes and non-athletes I don't think it was as bad as you're describing. I knew a fair number of people who played for a season or two, either as a recruited athlete or a walk on, and stopped and did other things, and no one really cared.

The divide between the athletes and non-athletes was mainly between those whose entire life seemed to be about the sport and who didn't engage with the rest of the student body, and they exacerbated it through certain common behaviors and attitudes (arrogant jocks). But if you dropped the sort and joined a few clubs and made friends with others, I don't think you'd have been discriminated against or judged.

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There's no reason he should make himself stressed out and miserable in college just because of the brand name. Think hard about what he wants to do later, whether the college name matters for that activity, and whether he will get anything out of his academic studies if he goes there.

Because I can GUARANTEE you that if he's struggling now, he won't make it over there, even without the sport! There is no hand-holding at an Ivy.

LOL this is not reality.

I have a DC in public and a DC in ivy. The ivy kid has so much MORE hand holding than the public DC. It is like a cocoon - bubble wrapped. Grades are P/F first semester to ensure a soft landing.

Agreed. If you're reasonably bright and capable, Ivies can be easily handled. Major in History or another social science degree, aim for a B instead of an A, figure out which are the gut courses to meet the other distribution requirements, and then you can coast for four years. It's very feasible at most of the Ivies.

OP, if you are genuine, then "ethically" the right thing to do is to play for a year. There will be academic support and the courseload, if carefully selected, won't be overwhelming. Then leave the sport after a year.

I can understand why people urge you to do the right thing, ethically. On the other hand, the reality is that many students are admitted for certain hooks (color of their skin, legacy admission, famous parents) and once on campus, don't do anything about it either. Shrugs. Ivy admissions has long been about gaming the system rather than something truly meritocratic or rewarding the best and brightest. And life afterwards is also all about gaming the system to take advantage of the opportunities given to you. If you turn down an opportunity because you think it's not ethically "right," the only person who will care will be you and you won't even get a pat on the back. The spot will be taken by someone else who wouldn't even bat an eye.

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Anonymous wrote:At a D1 school - depending how big the sport is, athletes have tutors assigned to them. Some big programs even have tutors travel with the team. Kids will be tutored in the bus. There is a lot of hand holding of these athletes.

This is not true at Ivies. It definitely is true at D1 schools, but not Ivies.

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Anonymous wrote:At a D1 school - depending how big the sport is, athletes have tutors assigned to them. Some big programs even have tutors travel with the team. Kids will be tutored in the bus. There is a lot of hand holding of these athletes.

This is not true at Ivies. It definitely is true at D1 schools, but not Ivies.

https://cornellbigred.com/sports/2007/7/11/SAServices.aspx

Support for athletes goes beyond what is provided for regular students...