Scary reaction to flu shot in Loudoun...

[Anonymous]

read above.

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Anonymous wrote:read above.

No, he -- and now I -- want to know the source of the information. How does that PP know someone wrote it on her facebook page? (And who wrote it, and why?)

[Anonymous]

After reading up a lot on dystonia, there is no confirmed link between flu shots and dystonia. Certain drugs can cause distonia, but most are either antipsycotics, antidepressants or antibiotics. I do know of someone who had a dystonic reaction to a commonly used antibiotic. Also, with dystonic reactions to drugs, the condition is usually not completely permenant, and while there may be some permanent nurolological damage, the worst of the symptoms do usually subside.

The most common causes of dystonia are stroke, heredity, and trauma. Also, people predisposed to getting dystonia are more likely to develop it is they use recreational drugs or alcohol.

There are always people who will have some kinfd of reaction to drugs and vaccines, but the percentage of those who do is usually very small.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
This young woman was obviously getting the flu shot for a reason. Maybe it was recommended by her dr. since she had an underlying infection (being on antibiotics for months is pretty extreme - for something simple like strep throat or a sinus infection, you take a 10 day course - so something was going on).

Nope, she was just getting the flu shot to earn points with her health care plan:

"As for the seasonal flu shot, she got it to earn "healthy living" points for her work health plan, which gives perks for each level of "wellness" that is attained."

It doesn't seem like she was getting the flu shot for any other reason according to the article.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I also disagree with the CDC being the end all, be all of everything. Sorry, but I do not have blind faith in the government.

Doesn't anyone remember Thalidamide? A scientist in Europe detailed the birth defects that would occur with this drug, and the FDA continued to assure us that it was safe. Guess what? It wasn't.

The people at these agencies - CDC, FDA are only human. I'm sure they do the best they can, but there are other forces at work in the pharmaceutical industries that influence health care in this country.

You are so, so, so dumb it is just PAINFUL. You are completely wrong. ThalidOmide (emphasis added) was approved in Europe, not the US. The only American babies who suffered from complications were those whose mothers spent time in Europe while they were pregnant. There is really no excuse for being so completely wrong about something that can easily be fact-checked.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:After reading up a lot on dystonia, there is no confirmed link between flu shots and dystonia. Certain drugs can cause distonia, but most are either antipsycotics, antidepressants or antibiotics. I do know of someone who had a dystonic reaction to a commonly used antibiotic. Also, with dystonic reactions to drugs, the condition is usually not completely permenant, and while there may be some permanent nurolological damage, the worst of the symptoms do usually subside.

The most common causes of dystonia are stroke, heredity, and trauma. Also, people predisposed to getting dystonia are more likely to develop it is they use recreational drugs or alcohol.

There are always people who will have some kinfd of reaction to drugs and vaccines, but the percentage of those who do is usually very small.

I wonder why her doctors don't agree with you. I'm sure they've 'read up on' dystonia, too.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From how my Dr. explained vaccines they work in a herd mentality. If everyone is vaccinated it can erradicate certain illnesses. But if people stop vaccinating it starts to put cracks in the damn so to say. So you start mingling non-vaccinated kids in with vaccinated kids they can start making vaccinated kids sick. My doctor told me not to let my kids play with unvaccinated kids for that reason.

This is lunacy. You either misunderstood your doctor or your "doctor" is a quack.

This actually isn't lunacy. You need to read up on how vaccines work. I've actually read the same thing myself.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From how my Dr. explained vaccines they work in a herd mentality. If everyone is vaccinated it can erradicate certain illnesses. But if people stop vaccinating it starts to put cracks in the damn so to say. So you start mingling non-vaccinated kids in with vaccinated kids they can start making vaccinated kids sick. My doctor told me not to let my kids play with unvaccinated kids for that reason.

This is lunacy. You either misunderstood your doctor or your "doctor" is a quack.

For the misinformed poster who said this is lunacy please read this:

http://www.immunizationinfo.org/parents/howVaccines_work.cfm

Community immunity or "herd immunity" is an important part of protecting the community against disease. Because vaccinated people have antibodies that neutralize a germ, they are much less likely to transmit that germ to other people. Thus, even people who have not been vaccinated (and those whose vaccinations have become weakened or whose vaccines aren't fully effective) often can be shielded by the herd immunity because vaccinated people around them are not getting sick. Herd immunity is more effective as the percentage of people vaccinated increases. It is thought that approximately 95% of the people in the community must be protected by a vaccine to achieve herd immunity. People who are not immunized increase the chance that they and others will get the disease.

For some diseases, however, herd immunity offers no protection. For example, tetanus is not contagious. It is contracted when a wound comes in contact with soil contaminated with the tetanus bacterium.

It is important to keep in mind that a few people may not be protected from the disease even though they have been vaccinated. About 1 or 2 of every 20 people immunized will not have an adequate immune response to a vaccine. But if 95% of the population is immunized, then the unprotected people are not as likely to be exposed to the germ at all, so they have a smaller chance of becoming infected.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From how my Dr. explained vaccines they work in a herd mentality. If everyone is vaccinated it can erradicate certain illnesses. But if people stop vaccinating it starts to put cracks in the damn so to say. So you start mingling non-vaccinated kids in with vaccinated kids they can start making vaccinated kids sick. My doctor told me not to let my kids play with unvaccinated kids for that reason.

This is lunacy. You either misunderstood your doctor or your "doctor" is a quack.

For the misinformed poster who said this is lunacy please read this:

http://www.immunizationinfo.org/parents/howVaccines_work.cfm

Community immunity or "herd immunity" is an important part of protecting the community against disease. Because vaccinated people have antibodies that neutralize a germ, they are much less likely to transmit that germ to other people. Thus, even people who have not been vaccinated (and those whose vaccinations have become weakened or whose vaccines aren't fully effective) often can be shielded by the herd immunity because vaccinated people around them are not getting sick. Herd immunity is more effective as the percentage of people vaccinated increases. It is thought that approximately 95% of the people in the community must be protected by a vaccine to achieve herd immunity. People who are not immunized increase the chance that they and others will get the disease.

For some diseases, however, herd immunity offers no protection. For example, tetanus is not contagious. It is contracted when a wound comes in contact with soil contaminated with the tetanus bacterium.

It is important to keep in mind that a few people may not be protected from the disease even though they have been vaccinated. About 1 or 2 of every 20 people immunized will not have an adequate immune response to a vaccine. But if 95% of the population is immunized, then the unprotected people are not as likely to be exposed to the germ at all, so they have a smaller chance of becoming infected.

This does not say that non-vaccinated kids mingling with vaccinated kids will make vaccinated kids sick. That's ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From how my Dr. explained vaccines they work in a herd mentality. If everyone is vaccinated it can erradicate certain illnesses. But if people stop vaccinating it starts to put cracks in the damn so to say. So you start mingling non-vaccinated kids in with vaccinated kids they can start making vaccinated kids sick. My doctor told me not to let my kids play with unvaccinated kids for that reason.

This is lunacy. You either misunderstood your doctor or your "doctor" is a quack.

For the misinformed poster who said this is lunacy please read this:

http://www.immunizationinfo.org/parents/howVaccines_work.cfm

Community immunity or "herd immunity" is an important part of protecting the community against disease. Because vaccinated people have antibodies that neutralize a germ, they are much less likely to transmit that germ to other people. Thus, even people who have not been vaccinated (and those whose vaccinations have become weakened or whose vaccines aren't fully effective) often can be shielded by the herd immunity because vaccinated people around them are not getting sick. Herd immunity is more effective as the percentage of people vaccinated increases. It is thought that approximately 95% of the people in the community must be protected by a vaccine to achieve herd immunity. People who are not immunized increase the chance that they and others will get the disease.


For some diseases, however, herd immunity offers no protection. For example, tetanus is not contagious. It is contracted when a wound comes in contact with soil contaminated with the tetanus bacterium.

It is important to keep in mind that a few people may not be protected from the disease even though they have been vaccinated. About 1 or 2 of every 20 people immunized will not have an adequate immune response to a vaccine. But if 95% of the population is immunized, then the unprotected people are not as likely to be exposed to the germ at all, so they have a smaller chance of becoming infected.

This does not say that non-vaccinated kids mingling with vaccinated kids will make vaccinated kids sick. That's ridiculous.

Yes, it actually does. If 95% of the population isn't protected then un-protected can break down the herd. Therefore herd mentality. If everyone is protected we are all fine. If everyone is not protected then we are not all fine. I think you missed the whole point of this article. Read the highlighted line above.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From how my Dr. explained vaccines they work in a herd mentality. If everyone is vaccinated it can erradicate certain illnesses. But if people stop vaccinating it starts to put cracks in the damn so to say. So you start mingling non-vaccinated kids in with vaccinated kids they can start making vaccinated kids sick. My doctor told me not to let my kids play with unvaccinated kids for that reason.

This is lunacy. You either misunderstood your doctor or your "doctor" is a quack.

For the misinformed poster who said this is lunacy please read this:

http://www.immunizationinfo.org/parents/howVaccines_work.cfm

Community immunity or "herd immunity" is an important part of protecting the community against disease. Because vaccinated people have antibodies that neutralize a germ, they are much less likely to transmit that germ to other people. Thus, even people who have not been vaccinated (and those whose vaccinations have become weakened or whose vaccines aren't fully effective) often can be shielded by the herd immunity because vaccinated people around them are not getting sick. Herd immunity is more effective as the percentage of people vaccinated increases. It is thought that approximately 95% of the people in the community must be protected by a vaccine to achieve herd immunity. People who are not immunized increase the chance that they and others will get the disease.


For some diseases, however, herd immunity offers no protection. For example, tetanus is not contagious. It is contracted when a wound comes in contact with soil contaminated with the tetanus bacterium.

It is important to keep in mind that a few people may not be protected from the disease even though they have been vaccinated. About 1 or 2 of every 20 people immunized will not have an adequate immune response to a vaccine. But if 95% of the population is immunized, then the unprotected people are not as likely to be exposed to the germ at all, so they have a smaller chance of becoming infected.

This does not say that non-vaccinated kids mingling with vaccinated kids will make vaccinated kids sick. That's ridiculous.

Yes, it actually does. If 95% of the population isn't protected then un-protected can break down the herd. Therefore herd mentality. If everyone is protected we are all fine. If everyone is not protected then we are not all fine. I think you missed the whole point of this article. Read the highlighted line above.

I think you've just hit the nail on the head.

[Anonymous]

Here is the problem- during the 1976 panic, a nerve disorder was attributed to the swine flu vacine. Coinsidence--- I think not. Looks like here we go again.?-It is pretty easy to google this in about 30 seconds, but for some reason I havn't seen it on CBS news or anywhere else, why is that?

[Anonymous]

I just heard a story last night on PRI's The World about how many European countries are not pushing the H1N1 vaccine as hard as here in the US.

Spain is actually NOT recommending it for children. And the German Medical Association isn't pushing for it either.

Are these doctors stupid?

Anyone who wants to listen to the story, here's the link:
http://www.theworld.org/

Scroll down to H1N1 Ambivalence

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just heard a story last night on PRI's The World about how many European countries are not pushing the H1N1 vaccine as hard as here in the US.

Spain is actually NOT recommending it for children. And the German Medical Association isn't pushing for it either.

Are these doctors stupid?

Anyone who wants to listen to the story, here's the link:
http://www.theworld.org/

Scroll down to H1N1 Ambivalence

As they said in the report, the German Government IS pushing for all people to be vaccinated. There is a disagreement between the government and their equivalent of the AMA. And that group still want the high risk people to get it.

Spain is advocating it for high risk groups, which in the EU is pregnant women, health care workers, or people with a pre-existing condition. Lastly, the quote from the Spanish interview was very telling: "There is some sort of nonscientific reasoning in saying that this is not a safe enough vaccine".

So really, this comes down not to whether the vaccine is being considered safe by these governments. It is about whether they are better targeted at high risk groups or the general population. So they are not stupid and neither are our health authorities.

[Anonymous]

The epidemiologist at the end of the report mentioned that in the US, it might be being pushed due to concern of how much it will cost families if someone in their household gets the flu.

Maybe this is more of an economic issue? People get the flu, miss work, companies lose money, etc. Just give everyone the flu, to keep the economy running (or sputtering along) as it's currently doing.