How common is a math or reading MAP score at the 99th percentile in this area?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Uhhhhhhh 99th percentile (99.0) = 1 per 100. There are ~150,000 students in MCPS. If we were exactly like the nation as a whole, we'd have 1500 kids in the 99th. If our 98th is like the 99th nationally, we'd have 3000. And then, DCUM skews whiter and wealthier than most places online, and those kids, for a variety of reasons, tend to score higher. And then there's going to be a strong self-selection bias for a thread titled "How common is a math or reading MAP score at the 99th percentile in this area?"

I never understand why people think folks are lying or trolling. They could be? But it's easily possible that 10 people on DCUM have kids in the 99th percentile.

I'm guessing you're not a math or engineering major... 150K students are spread out across 12 Grades (not counting K..).

Using your figure of 3000, thats about 250 per grade level spread out across all schools.

Using TPMS as the example, that seems just about right, I would think. In 2019, about half-ish were picked up by TPMS, another (fifth'ish)? by Eastern, another set spread out amongst the CES programs, etc.

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And I'm guessing you weren't a literature major, because your reading comprehension could use a lot of work. I understand the commenters here may have kids more concentrated in, say, 2nd-7th grades. So let's say 1500. But this is a general discussion, not "how common is it to have a 3rd grader score in the 99th?" See the OP to which people were responding. So ~250 per grade may be accurate, but... so? If parents of kids in every grade or many grades are likely to comment, then that's well more than 250.

I'm not sure what correction you thought you were making to my rather simple point. To wit-- there's no reason there couldn't be 10 honest commenters in this thread whose kids really have scored in the 99th percentile on at least a few of their standardized tests. Someone COULD be lying, but given the math and the context, it's eminently possible that no one is. That's what o was responding to-- the accusation that those commenters must be lying because "What are the odds?!"

In actuality, the odds are decent and my math is fine. Have a blessed day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trying to understand what your saying here, but the net effect is that MCPS effectively destroyed the Magnet Program. It's nothing more than CES-program-level kids just with better perks.

I'm more interested in how many kids admitted to magnet were MCPS staff kids less than 95 percentile.

Trying to stir up trouble again?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Watched this thread a while before commenting. I wanted to see where the parents and trolls were steering the thread.

Some of these folks are yanking your chain... only 39.3% of CES kids were in the 95th+ percentile. Remember that CES is the upper level students within the school to start with. Of those, statistically, there is a huge difference between the number of 95th percentile and 99th percentile kids (certainly not a large number).

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2019/Enriched%20and%20Accelerated%2028Jan2019%20FINAL.pdf

Remember that (a) parents that care about academics post frequently, but (b) just as frequently or more often - there are just folks yanking chains to sway opinions. Why? The Magnet and CES programs have slipped a bit on standards as of late, so MCPS needs all the boosts they can get right now.

I highly doubt that as that makes no sense given some of our high scoring straight A kids didn't even get on the waitlist.

That's... most likely for a completely different reason. Remember that the Magnet isn't really the Magnet anymore, so there are probably more 99th percentiles distributed out in CES classes at the various schools.

https://www.iwf.org/2020/09/25/montgomery-county-parents-of-school-children-kept-in-dark-on-purpose/

Remember that whole Asian-American Magnet lawsuit?

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/mcps-sued-over-magnet-school-admissions/

MCPS moved to dismiss.

https://thermtide.com/13501/news/mcps-files-to-dismiss-ms-magnet-admissions-lawsuit/

On what basis is MCPS moving to dismiss the lawsuit? I think I read somewhere that MCPS claimed that since they changed the Magnet admission standards to a minimum-cut off lottery *cough* pool, so since it's random, there is no admission criteria to violate therefore it's a moot point? Something like that? (Can't find the document, but if someone else can confirm?)

My guess is that there are probably parents with kids on the extreme end of the academic scale that are pretty frustrated by about now.

Magnet scores were up a lot with the advent of universal testing since it wasn't just a few hundred kids whose parents appled but half the county that was considerered, but this year it's lottery of anyone in the 85% or higher so bascially a random group of kids who would maybe qualify for IM math in 6th.

Trying to understand what your saying here, but the net effect is that MCPS effectively destroyed the Magnet Program. It's nothing more than CES-program-level kids just with better perks.

I'm more interested in how many kids admitted to magnet were MCPS staff kids less than 95 percentile.

As a teacher at one of the magnets, I felt the caliber of students was much better when they introduced Universal screening. Previously there were maybe a few hundred applicants whose parents knew about these programs, but testing half the county yielded better candidates.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Uhhhhhhh 99th percentile (99.0) = 1 per 100. There are ~150,000 students in MCPS. If we were exactly like the nation as a whole, we'd have 1500 kids in the 99th. If our 98th is like the 99th nationally, we'd have 3000. And then, DCUM skews whiter and wealthier than most places online, and those kids, for a variety of reasons, tend to score higher. And then there's going to be a strong self-selection bias for a thread titled "How common is a math or reading MAP score at the 99th percentile in this area?"

I never understand why people think folks are lying or trolling. They could be? But it's easily possible that 10 people on DCUM have kids in the 99th percentile.

I'm guessing you're not a math or engineering major... 150K students are spread out across 12 Grades (not counting K..).

Using your figure of 3000, thats about 250 per grade level spread out across all schools.

Using TPMS as the example, that seems just about right, I would think. In 2019, about half-ish were picked up by TPMS, another (fifth'ish)? by Eastern, another set spread out amongst the CES programs, etc.

m

And I'm guessing you weren't a literature major, because your reading comprehension could use a lot of work. I understand the commenters here may have kids more concentrated in, say, 2nd-7th grades. So let's say 1500. But this is a general discussion, not "how common is it to have a 3rd grader score in the 99th?" See the OP to which people were responding. So ~250 per grade may be accurate, but... so? If parents of kids in every grade or many grades are likely to comment, then that's well more than 250.

I'm not sure what correction you thought you were making to my rather simple point. To wit-- there's no reason there couldn't be 10 honest commenters in this thread whose kids really have scored in the 99th percentile on at least a few of their standardized tests. Someone COULD be lying, but given the math and the context, it's eminently possible that no one is. That's what o was responding to-- the accusation that those commenters must be lying because "What are the odds?!"

In actuality, the odds are decent and my math is fine. Have a blessed day.

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This is kind of moot now. The pool for magnet admission was made up of students at 85% or higher. THey were picked randomly. Since these scores fall on a bell curve, most of next years magnet students will be in the 85%-90% range. One-fifteenth of those admitted would be 99% if it were linear but since it's a bell curve figure a lot less. So figure less than 6 magnet students from next year's rising magnet students would be in the 99% at TPMS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think these are fairly common in the magnet population. Same for other exams - Raven, (also terranova, once upon a time), parcc, magnet admission tests, cogat, SAT, ACT, IB, AP.

Same.
My kid was off the charts in TN2 while in 2nd grade. They were scoring higher than an 8th grader and so the chart they provided, my kid was above that too.

[Anonymous]

So glad we will be done with MCPS in another year and were not impacted with all the diluting of candidates for our 4 years in HS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So glad we will be done with MCPS in another year and were not impacted with all the diluting of candidates for our 4 years in HS.

The horror. Can you imagine? Your 99th percentile kid being forced to sit within smelling distance of an 85th percentile loser?! Icky icky poo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
As a teacher at one of the magnets, I felt the caliber of students was much better when they introduced Universal screening. Previously there were maybe a few hundred applicants whose parents knew about these programs, but testing half the county yielded better candidates.

This makes total sense to me. My DC was not in the CES pool because we didn't know enough about the process to advocate for her to be placed in higher reading group at 3rd grade (two years later her reading has been assessed at high school level). Now DC has been picked by lottery for the MS magnet. And yes, MAP scores are high 90s, and not thanks to us parents, since we don't supplement during the school year. I'm sure there are other students in a similar boat. Their parents wouldn't have known enough to advocate or apply, but the children gained entry thanks to the wide catchment and lottery system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Watched this thread a while before commenting. I wanted to see where the parents and trolls were steering the thread.

Some of these folks are yanking your chain... only 39.3% of CES kids were in the 95th+ percentile. Remember that CES is the upper level students within the school to start with. Of those, statistically, there is a huge difference between the number of 95th percentile and 99th percentile kids (certainly not a large number).

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2019/Enriched%20and%20Accelerated%2028Jan2019%20FINAL.pdf

Remember that (a) parents that care about academics post frequently, but (b) just as frequently or more often - there are just folks yanking chains to sway opinions. Why? The Magnet and CES programs have slipped a bit on standards as of late, so MCPS needs all the boosts they can get right now.

I highly doubt that as that makes no sense given some of our high scoring straight A kids didn't even get on the waitlist.

That's... most likely for a completely different reason. Remember that the Magnet isn't really the Magnet anymore, so there are probably more 99th percentiles distributed out in CES classes at the various schools.

https://www.iwf.org/2020/09/25/montgomery-county-parents-of-school-children-kept-in-dark-on-purpose/

Remember that whole Asian-American Magnet lawsuit?

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/mcps-sued-over-magnet-school-admissions/

MCPS moved to dismiss.

https://thermtide.com/13501/news/mcps-files-to-dismiss-ms-magnet-admissions-lawsuit/

On what basis is MCPS moving to dismiss the lawsuit? I think I read somewhere that MCPS claimed that since they changed the Magnet admission standards to a minimum-cut off lottery *cough* pool, so since it's random, there is no admission criteria to violate therefore it's a moot point? Something like that? (Can't find the document, but if someone else can confirm?)

My guess is that there are probably parents with kids on the extreme end of the academic scale that are pretty frustrated by about now.

And with this new minimum cut off lottery there will be at least three kids in the magnet next year with 99%. That's three times as many as you'd have at a regular school!

[Anonymous]

My DD is in CES (got pulled off the wait list after 1st quarter) for 5th grade after a student moved. She is low 90s to 97% on MAP. Her most recent math was 87% from I can tell on the link provided earlier in the thread. Honestly, she outperforms most of the students in class work wise since she is much more collaborative and good at motivating other students. The teacher said she is a perfect CES candidate. MAP percentiles have never been mentioned. I think people need to understand that MAP is not the only criteria anymore.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My DD is in CES (got pulled off the wait list after 1st quarter) for 5th grade after a student moved. She is low 90s to 97% on MAP. Her most recent math was 87% from I can tell on the link provided earlier in the thread. Honestly, she outperforms most of the students in class work wise since she is much more collaborative and good at motivating other students. The teacher said she is a perfect CES candidate. MAP percentiles have never been mentioned. I think people need to understand that MAP is not the only criteria anymore.

And, this makes no sense as many of our kids had much higher scores, especially in math. Anyone 95 and up should be in, really 90 and up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD is in CES (got pulled off the wait list after 1st quarter) for 5th grade after a student moved. She is low 90s to 97% on MAP. Her most recent math was 87% from I can tell on the link provided earlier in the thread. Honestly, she outperforms most of the students in class work wise since she is much more collaborative and good at motivating other students. The teacher said she is a perfect CES candidate. MAP percentiles have never been mentioned. I think people need to understand that MAP is not the only criteria anymore.

And, this makes no sense as many of our kids had much higher scores, especially in math. Anyone 95 and up should be in, really 90 and up.

It makes perfect sense. The lottery this year consisted of student s who scored 85% or higher. Students were selected at random. The majority of new magnet students will be close to 85%.. this is very different than previous years where 90% scored 95% or higher. Next year that number will be more like 20%.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
It makes perfect sense. The lottery this year consisted of student s who scored 85% or higher. Students were selected at random. The majority of new magnet students will be close to 85%.. this is very different than previous years where 90% scored 95% or higher. Next year that number will be more like 20%.

Unlikely, as everyone who responded to previous magnet MS threads about their kids' MAP scores indicated they were in the high 90s.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
It makes perfect sense. The lottery this year consisted of student s who scored 85% or higher. Students were selected at random. The majority of new magnet students will be close to 85%.. this is very different than previous years where 90% scored 95% or higher. Next year that number will be more like 20%.

Unlikely, as everyone who responded to previous magnet MS threads about their kids' MAP scores indicated they were in the high 90s.

You need to go back and read the post again. Most of the posts that reported scores in the high 90s weren't selected whereas the few that said they got in were very low from years past.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
It makes perfect sense. The lottery this year consisted of student s who scored 85% or higher. Students were selected at random. The majority of new magnet students will be close to 85%.. this is very different than previous years where 90% scored 95% or higher. Next year that number will be more like 20%.

Unlikely, as everyone who responded to previous magnet MS threads about their kids' MAP scores indicated they were in the high 90s.

You need to go back and read the post again. Most of the posts that reported scores in the high 90s weren't selected whereas the few that said they got in were very low from years past.

From the pool of students with 85%+ 1 in 10 were likely between 85-90 whereas 1 in 40 were 99% consequently there are a lot more 85% kids picked that's just how it works.