Lawmakers told Maryland Schools are Complacent and Middle of the Pack

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How much do Maryland teachers get paid?

They get paid quite well in Montgomery.

http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/departments/ersc/employees/pay/schedules/FY18%20MCEA.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How much do Maryland teachers get paid?

They get paid quite well in Montgomery.

http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/departments/ersc/employees/pay/schedules/FY18%20MCEA.pdf

Where else can you work 180 or fewer days per year and make 6 figures?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How much do Maryland teachers get paid?

They get paid quite well in Montgomery.

http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/departments/ersc/employees/pay/schedules/FY18%20MCEA.pdf

Where else can you work 180 or fewer days per year and make 6 figures?

The White House

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How much do Maryland teachers get paid?

They get paid quite well in Montgomery.

http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/departments/ersc/employees/pay/schedules/FY18%20MCEA.pdf

Where else can you work 180 or fewer days per year and make 6 figures?

The White House

[Anonymous]

I'm honestly surprised by how average MoCo schools are. Moved 2 years ago from TX and paid extra to live in Wootton cluster, and Frost and Wootton are very average schools compared to out of state. I was constantly told the doubling of house price was worth it for placement in the best schools, but middle of the pack is about as apt a description as I've seen.

Don't even get me started on what a dump Dufief was, so glad my son only spent a semester there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm honestly surprised by how average MoCo schools are. Moved 2 years ago from TX and paid extra to live in Wootton cluster, and Frost and Wootton are very average schools compared to out of state. I was constantly told the doubling of house price was worth it for placement in the best schools, but middle of the pack is about as apt a description as I've seen.

Don't even get me started on what a dump Dufief was, so glad my son only spent a semester there.

Cool story

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How much do Maryland teachers get paid?

They get paid quite well in Montgomery.

http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/departments/ersc/employees/pay/schedules/FY18%20MCEA.pdf

Where else can you work 180 or fewer days per year and make 6 figures?

You're part of the problem. But don't worry. I won't belabor the obvious point, as you're just representative of the typical ignorant poster.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How much do Maryland teachers get paid?

They get paid quite well in Montgomery.

http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/departments/ersc/employees/pay/schedules/FY18%20MCEA.pdf

Where else can you work 180 or fewer days per year and make 6 figures?

You have to work at least 17 years with a Master's degree plus 60 credits in order to earn that salary. That's a lot of years and a lot of schooling in order to get that salary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When they raise standards and the schools have an influx of students least likely to meet those standards, it isn't surprising this is what happens. It really isn't rocket science.

As far as the standards are concerned, I don't think it's just the influx of "poor" ESOL students. I think the change of the standards had something to do with it. Arne Duncan was right.. white suburban moms are finding out that their DCs aren't as smart as they thought.

I think the CC standards are pretty rigorous and fine, but there is definitely issues with the execution of the standards, ie curriculum. Teachers were not trained/prepared. My older DC was a guinea pig in mcps 2.0 curriculum, and three years later, with my second DC, I'm seeing some changes in the curriculum.

However, the link that OP posted is about the NAEP, which is not the same as the PARCC or have anything to do with the CC standards. Did other "high ranking" states like MA and NJ start falling when they implemented CC?

NAEP ranking by state:

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/education/prek-12

Are you happy with the curriculum changes you saw between your first and second child? Hoping that by the time my DD starts K (in 4 years), the kinks will have been worked out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How come the Jesuit Cristo Rey schools and the KIPP charter schools can close the achievement gap, but MD schools cannot? Is there another county better resources than MoCo? Why can't MCPS achieve better results?

It might be because the Cristo Rey and KIPP schools emphasize character and discipline. That lays the foundation for learning. Have you ever observed your mcps classroom? Kids sit in groups where they chat and "work independently." Private schools teach at one level (like the Asian model praised by the linked article from The Atlantic), and kids receive constant instruction. It's intellectually stimulating.

Time isn't wasted on independent worksheets. Kids are taught proper penmanship and grammar---two items that have been dropped from the mcps curriculum.

Kids have text books or access to legitimate resources---as opposed to worksheets (at best) hastily thrown together by a team of nothing-special classroom teachers recruited by the central office to develop 2.0.

+1000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When they raise standards and the schools have an influx of students least likely to meet those standards, it isn't surprising this is what happens. It really isn't rocket science.

As far as the standards are concerned, I don't think it's just the influx of "poor" ESOL students. I think the change of the standards had something to do with it. Arne Duncan was right.. white suburban moms are finding out that their DCs aren't as smart as they thought.

I think the CC standards are pretty rigorous and fine, but there is definitely issues with the execution of the standards, ie curriculum. Teachers were not trained/prepared. My older DC was a guinea pig in mcps 2.0 curriculum, and three years later, with my second DC, I'm seeing some changes in the curriculum.

However, the link that OP posted is about the NAEP, which is not the same as the PARCC or have anything to do with the CC standards. Did other "high ranking" states like MA and NJ start falling when they implemented CC?

NAEP ranking by state:


https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/education/prek-12

Numbers don't lie and the achievement gap is comprised of the white suburban student population. Look up any "at a glance" and you will see the differences.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How come the Jesuit Cristo Rey schools and the KIPP charter schools can close the achievement gap, but MD schools cannot? Is there another county better resources than MoCo? Why can't MCPS achieve better results?

It might be because the Cristo Rey and KIPP schools emphasize character and discipline. That lays the foundation for learning. Have you ever observed your mcps classroom? Kids sit in groups where they chat and "work independently." Private schools teach at one level (like the Asian model praised by the linked article from The Atlantic), and kids receive constant instruction. It's intellectually stimulating.

Time isn't wasted on independent worksheets. Kids are taught proper penmanship and grammar---two items that have been dropped from the mcps curriculum.

Kids have text books or access to legitimate resources---as opposed to worksheets (at best) hastily thrown together by a team of nothing-special classroom teachers recruited by the central office to develop 2.0.

+1000

Agree. I'm shocked by the number of errors I see on these worksheets, practically on a weekly basis!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How come the Jesuit Cristo Rey schools and the KIPP charter schools can close the achievement gap, but MD schools cannot? Is there another county better resources than MoCo? Why can't MCPS achieve better results?

It might be because the Cristo Rey and KIPP schools emphasize character and discipline. That lays the foundation for learning. Have you ever observed your mcps classroom? Kids sit in groups where they chat and "work independently." Private schools teach at one level (like the Asian model praised by the linked article from The Atlantic), and kids receive constant instruction. It's intellectually stimulating.

Time isn't wasted on independent worksheets. Kids are taught proper penmanship and grammar---two items that have been dropped from the mcps curriculum.

Kids have text books or access to legitimate resources---as opposed to worksheets (at best) hastily thrown together by a team of nothing-special classroom teachers recruited by the central office to develop 2.0.

+1000

Agree. I'm shocked by the number of errors I see on these worksheets, practically on a weekly basis!

^^My kid kept asking why his teachers can't spell. I keep reminding him they're not writing these worksheets!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How come the Jesuit Cristo Rey schools and the KIPP charter schools can close the achievement gap, but MD schools cannot? Is there another county better resources than MoCo? Why can't MCPS achieve better results?

It might be because the Cristo Rey and KIPP schools emphasize character and discipline. That lays the foundation for learning. Have you ever observed your mcps classroom? Kids sit in groups where they chat and "work independently." Private schools teach at one level (like the Asian model praised by the linked article from The Atlantic), and kids receive constant instruction. It's intellectually stimulating.

Time isn't wasted on independent worksheets. Kids are taught proper penmanship and grammar---two items that have been dropped from the mcps curriculum.

Kids have text books or access to legitimate resources---as opposed to worksheets (at best) hastily thrown together by a team of nothing-special classroom teachers recruited by the central office to develop 2.0.

+1000

Agree. I'm shocked by the number of errors I see on these worksheets, practically on a weekly basis!

^^My kid kept asking why his teachers can't spell. I keep reminding him they're not writing these worksheets!

Even so, it's embarrassing that our kids are getting worksheets with rampant errors on them. Unacceptable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When they raise standards and the schools have an influx of students least likely to meet those standards, it isn't surprising this is what happens. It really isn't rocket science.

As far as the standards are concerned, I don't think it's just the influx of "poor" ESOL students. I think the change of the standards had something to do with it. Arne Duncan was right.. white suburban moms are finding out that their DCs aren't as smart as they thought.

I think the CC standards are pretty rigorous and fine, but there is definitely issues with the execution of the standards, ie curriculum. Teachers were not trained/prepared. My older DC was a guinea pig in mcps 2.0 curriculum, and three years later, with my second DC, I'm seeing some changes in the curriculum.

However, the link that OP posted is about the NAEP, which is not the same as the PARCC or have anything to do with the CC standards. Did other "high ranking" states like MA and NJ start falling when they implemented CC?

NAEP ranking by state:


https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/education/prek-12

Numbers don't lie and the achievement gap is comprised of the white suburban student population. Look up any "at a glance" and you will see the differences.

Whoops should have written "not comprised"