The Gap Between Three APS High Schools

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:On another active thread people were complaining that due to overcrowding, there is too much competition for slots in band, sports teams, etc. at W-L and Yorktown. This is another reason why better balancing the SES mix across schools is a good idea--there could be a critical mass at each school of kids who are interested in these sorts of resume-building activities to be able to field competitive teams or robust performing groups, and you wouldn't be forcing every UMC kid in Arlington to compete for the same slots in the same school. Getting the three comprehensive schools to better match the demographics of APS through choice/busing support/boundaries should be a win-win for the kids, if the parents would ever get over themselves.

This is a really good point.

Once again, I know better what is good for others' kids than do their parents. This certainly sounds like a winning argument to me.

Then pardon me when I won't support your demands for a fourth comprehensive high school. Because "I'd rather the community bond $150 million for the next 30 years instead of redraw the boundaries a little to the south" is definitely not a winning argument.

Oh, didn't you hear? They dropped that hot potato as soon as it was pointed out that their kids might have to attend this new HS to be built south of rt. 50.

[Anonymous]

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1) APS puts the same amount per student at all HS but there is an enormous disparity in family ability to contribute whether it is PTA, band booster, etc. This is a huge issue at ever level (ES, MS, HS) and in some cased (see low f/r lunch schools) it is almost as if the parents are building a luxury private school on the bones of the public funding.
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No fucking clue. You do realize how much Arlington spends per student...

Dp- do you realize how much money some of the North Arlington PTA’s raise? you really don’t have a clue.

I chair or co-chair three fundraisers for my kids' school (not because I have some burning need to run PTA fundraisers, but because they didn't have anyone else to run them). A big part of why I'm willing to do this is that I live walking distance from the school and it's really easy for me to go back and forth throughout the day when a fundraising event is live. If you bus my kids to school further away, I'm not going to take those efforts to that other school, I'll find some other way to volunteer that doesn't require me to be at the school. Someone else can raise the money, or the school can go without.

You sound like a stuck up princess.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:):

1) APS puts the same amount per student at all HS but there is an enormous disparity in family ability to contribute whether it is PTA, band booster, etc. This is a huge issue at ever level (ES, MS, HS) and in some cased (see low f/r lunch schools) it is almost as if the parents are building a luxury private school on the bones of the public funding.
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No fucking clue. You do realize how much Arlington spends per student...

Dp- do you realize how much money some of the North Arlington PTA’s raise? you really don’t have a clue.

I chair or co-chair three fundraisers for my kids' school (not because I have some burning need to run PTA fundraisers, but because they didn't have anyone else to run them). A big part of why I'm willing to do this is that I live walking distance from the school and it's really easy for me to go back and forth throughout the day when a fundraising event is live. If you bus my kids to school further away, I'm not going to take those efforts to that other school, I'll find some other way to volunteer that doesn't require me to be at the school. Someone else can raise the money, or the school can go without.

You sound like a stuck up princess.

Then I'm sure you won't want me volunteering in your school at all. You can do it, and I'll kick back at home armchair quarterbacking on the internet.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:On another active thread people were complaining that due to overcrowding, there is too much competition for slots in band, sports teams, etc. at W-L and Yorktown. This is another reason why better balancing the SES mix across schools is a good idea--there could be a critical mass at each school of kids who are interested in these sorts of resume-building activities to be able to field competitive teams or robust performing groups, and you wouldn't be forcing every UMC kid in Arlington to compete for the same slots in the same school. Getting the three comprehensive schools to better match the demographics of APS through choice/busing support/boundaries should be a win-win for the kids, if the parents would ever get over themselves.

This is a really good point.

Once again, I know better what is good for others' kids than do their parents. This certainly sounds like a winning argument to me.

Then pardon me when I won't support your demands for a fourth comprehensive high school. Because "I'd rather the community bond $150 million for the next 30 years instead of redraw the boundaries a little to the south" is definitely not a winning argument.

Oh, didn't you hear? They dropped that hot potato as soon as it was pointed out that their kids might have to attend this new HS to be built south of rt. 50.

What are you talking about? The plans for a 4th comprehensive high school at Kenmore were nixed by Glencarlyn residents who complained about traffic on Carlin Springs. It was killed by the Kenmore neighborhood, not N Arlington.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who ever did the analysis of the sol numbers, thank you.
But the numbers are still lower.

Williamsburg or Kenmore?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry op, but marching band doesn’t have a rich tradition in Ethiopia and El Salvador. You can’t make people share your values.

THANK you!

From all I hear, Wakefield has a vibrant theatre program with more students of color participating than choose to at the other two schools.

I don't really understand marching band. Glad it makes some people happy.

The marching band kids tend also to be the theater kids, pp.

Your last sentence sounded rather derisive. Did you intend to convey derision? If so, why?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sorry op, but marching band doesn’t have a rich tradition in Ethiopia and El Salvador. You can’t make people share your values.

THANK you!

From all I hear, Wakefield has a vibrant theatre program with more students of color participating than choose to at the other two schools.

I don't really understand marching band. Glad it makes some people happy.

The marching band kids tend also to be the theater kids, pp.

Your last sentence sounded rather derisive. Did you intend to convey derision? If so, why?

I've had kids in marching band in Arlington for 6 years and not one kids I know did/does both. I don't know how theatre kids would have time for marching band or vice versa.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On another active thread people were complaining that due to overcrowding, there is too much competition for slots in band, sports teams, etc. at W-L and Yorktown. This is another reason why better balancing the SES mix across schools is a good idea--there could be a critical mass at each school of kids who are interested in these sorts of resume-building activities to be able to field competitive teams or robust performing groups, and you wouldn't be forcing every UMC kid in Arlington to compete for the same slots in the same school. Getting the three comprehensive schools to better match the demographics of APS through choice/busing support/boundaries should be a win-win for the kids, if the parents would ever get over themselves.

This is a really good point.

Once again, I know better what is good for others' kids than do their parents. This certainly sounds like a winning argument to me.

Then pardon me when I won't support your demands for a fourth comprehensive high school. Because "I'd rather the community bond $150 million for the next 30 years instead of redraw the boundaries a little to the south" is definitely not a winning argument.

Oh, didn't you hear? They dropped that hot potato as soon as it was pointed out that their kids might have to attend this new HS to be built south of rt. 50.

What are you talking about? The plans for a 4th comprehensive high school at Kenmore were nixed by Glencarlyn residents who complained about traffic on Carlin Springs. It was killed by the Kenmore neighborhood, not N Arlington.

They only listen to neighborhoods down here when it aligns with what North Arlington wants. They wanted not to use the Buck property for bus storage, because that wouldn't be appropriate for THAT residential neighborhood. So now it's going into a south Arlington residential neighborhood and they are punting on the school that nobody wants anymore.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On another active thread people were complaining that due to overcrowding, there is too much competition for slots in band, sports teams, etc. at W-L and Yorktown. This is another reason why better balancing the SES mix across schools is a good idea--there could be a critical mass at each school of kids who are interested in these sorts of resume-building activities to be able to field competitive teams or robust performing groups, and you wouldn't be forcing every UMC kid in Arlington to compete for the same slots in the same school. Getting the three comprehensive schools to better match the demographics of APS through choice/busing support/boundaries should be a win-win for the kids, if the parents would ever get over themselves.

This is a really good point.

Once again, I know better what is good for others' kids than do their parents. This certainly sounds like a winning argument to me.

Then pardon me when I won't support [b]your demands for a fourth comprehensive high school. Because "I'd rather the community bond $150 million for the next 30 years instead of redraw the boundaries a little to the south" is[/b] definitely not a winning argument.

Oh, didn't you hear? They dropped that hot potato as soon as it was pointed out that their kids might have to attend this new HS to be built south of rt. 50.

Wakefield is projected to be just as overcrowded as Yorktown and W-L so building a 4th comprehensive high school has nothing to do with people in North Arlington not willing to attend it. But if you're fine with the kids at Wakefield contending with 500-600 more students in the building than it was built for, then go ahead and cut off your nose to spite your face.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On another active thread people were complaining that due to overcrowding, there is too much competition for slots in band, sports teams, etc. at W-L and Yorktown. This is another reason why better balancing the SES mix across schools is a good idea--there could be a critical mass at each school of kids who are interested in these sorts of resume-building activities to be able to field competitive teams or robust performing groups, and you wouldn't be forcing every UMC kid in Arlington to compete for the same slots in the same school. Getting the three comprehensive schools to better match the demographics of APS through choice/busing support/boundaries should be a win-win for the kids, if the parents would ever get over themselves.

This is a really good point.

Once again, I know better what is good for others' kids than do their parents. This certainly sounds like a winning argument to me.

Then pardon me when I won't support [b]your demands for a fourth comprehensive high school. Because "I'd rather the community bond $150 million for the next 30 years instead of redraw the boundaries a little to the south" is[/b] definitely not a winning argument.

Oh, didn't you hear? They dropped that hot potato as soon as it was pointed out that their kids might have to attend this new HS to be built south of rt. 50.

Wakefield is projected to be just as overcrowded as Yorktown and W-L so building a 4th comprehensive high school has nothing to do with people in North Arlington not willing to attend it. But if you're fine with the kids at Wakefield contending with 500-600 more students in the building than it was built for, then go ahead and cut off your nose to spite your face.

I'm not fine with it. I'm not the poster who said they wouldn't vote for a bond. I thought the 4th HS should happen and that we need to be getting shovel ready now to catch up to the population instead of tinkering around with a bunch of half-baked programs that are only slightly postponing the inevitable. I am mad at the Glen Carlyn neighborhood for not seeing the bigger picture. But they're being punished for it with the bus lot. But I'm also mad at the parents who actually run the show who are not advocating for a 4th HS, I suspect because of boundaries. It doesn't matter to me now because it's not going to happen in time for my kids, so if the crowding at all the high schools gets as bad as I suspect, we are lucky enough to be able to opt out of public. I have no interest in early college or tech school or anything that forces my kids to decide what type of worker bee they're going to become before they are 14. It's clear to me that this system is not for us. Which is fine. But I think we would've opted to live in a lower COL area of we'd known what this system was becoming.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sorry op, but marching band doesn’t have a rich tradition in Ethiopia and El Salvador. You can’t make people share your values.

THANK you!

From all I hear, Wakefield has a vibrant theatre program with more students of color participating than choose to at the other two

Because Ethiopia and El Salvador have vibrant theater and orchestra traditions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who ever did the analysis of the sol numbers, thank you.
But the numbers are still lower.

Williamsburg or Kenmore?

If you control for FARM status, test scores at Kenmore are still lower than at Williamsburg. One of the limitations of this analysis, though, is that it's not like SES and how it correlates with school performance is a yes/no question, where all kids above a certain income level are expected to perform at the same higher level and all of the kids below that income level are expected to perform at the same lower level. If the average ED student at Kenmore has a lower family income than the average ED student at Williamsburg, that the test scores at Williamsburg among ED students are higher does not necessarily mean that being with more affluent peers improves individual students' test scores. Same goes when comparing non-ED students at the same schools. Moving more affluent kids into Kenmore and moving less affluent kids out will probably improve test scores for the school overall, but that doesn't mean it'll improve the achievement of individual students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sorry op, but marching band doesn’t have a rich tradition in Ethiopia and El Salvador. You can’t make people share your values.

THANK you!

From all I hear, Wakefield has a vibrant theatre program with more students of color participating than choose to at the other two schools.

I don't really understand marching band. Glad it makes some people happy.

The marching band kids tend also to be the theater kids, pp.

Your last sentence sounded rather derisive. Did you intend to convey derision? If so, why?

I've had kids in marching band in Arlington for 6 years and not one kids I know did/does both. I don't know how theatre kids would have time for marching band or vice versa.

Marching band is in the fall. Theater has Spring productions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sorry op, but marching band doesn’t have a rich tradition in Ethiopia and El Salvador. You can’t make people share your values.

THANK you!

From all I hear, Wakefield has a vibrant theatre program with more students of color participating than choose to at the other two schools.

I don't really understand marching band. Glad it makes some people happy.

The marching band kids tend also to be the theater kids, pp.

Your last sentence sounded rather derisive. Did you intend to convey derision? If so, why?

I've had kids in marching band in Arlington for 6 years and not one kids I know did/does both. I don't know how theatre kids would have time for marching band or vice versa.

BTW, this is an American board. It's "theater" and not "theatre" in American English.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On another active thread people were complaining that due to overcrowding, there is too much competition for slots in band, sports teams, etc. at W-L and Yorktown. This is another reason why better balancing the SES mix across schools is a good idea--there could be a critical mass at each school of kids who are interested in these sorts of resume-building activities to be able to field competitive teams or robust performing groups, and you wouldn't be forcing every UMC kid in Arlington to compete for the same slots in the same school. Getting the three comprehensive schools to better match the demographics of APS through choice/busing support/boundaries should be a win-win for the kids, if the parents would ever get over themselves.

This is a really good point.

Once again, I know better what is good for others' kids than do their parents. This certainly sounds like a winning argument to me.

Then pardon me when I won't support [b]your demands for a fourth comprehensive high school. Because "I'd rather the community bond $150 million for the next 30 years instead of redraw the boundaries a little to the south" is[/b] definitely not a winning argument.

Oh, didn't you hear? They dropped that hot potato as soon as it was pointed out that their kids might have to attend this new HS to be built south of rt. 50.

Wakefield is projected to be just as overcrowded as Yorktown and W-L so building a 4th comprehensive high school has nothing to do with people in North Arlington not willing to attend it. But if you're fine with the kids at Wakefield contending with 500-600 more students in the building than it was built for, then go ahead and cut off your nose to spite your face.

I'm not fine with it. I'm not the poster who said they wouldn't vote for a bond. I thought the 4th HS should happen and that we need to be getting shovel ready now to catch up to the population instead of tinkering around with a bunch of half-baked programs that are only slightly postponing the inevitable. I am mad at the Glen Carlyn neighborhood for not seeing the bigger picture. But they're being punished for it with the bus lot. But I'm also mad at the parents who actually run the show who are not advocating for a 4th HS, I suspect because of boundaries. It doesn't matter to me now because it's not going to happen in time for my kids, so if the crowding at all the high schools gets as bad as I suspect, we are lucky enough to be able to opt out of public. I have no interest in early college or tech school or anything that forces my kids to decide what type of worker bee they're going to become before they are 14. It's clear to me that this system is not for us. Which is fine. But I think we would've opted to live in a lower COL area of we'd known what this system was becoming.

The group charged with figuring out what to do at the Career Center for the additional 800 seats there is also charged with figuring out how they could phase in a full 4th HS at that site. A 4th HS is not off the table. The people who were screaming for a 4th HS NOW, however, completely disregarded the fact that there is no money available for a 4th HS NOW.