The Gap Between Three APS High Schools

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Who ever did the analysis of the sol numbers, thank you.
But the numbers are still lower.

Williamsburg or Kenmore?

If you control for FARM status, test scores at Kenmore are still lower than at Williamsburg. One of the limitations of this analysis, though, is that it's not like SES and how it correlates with school performance is a yes/no question, where all kids above a certain income level are expected to perform at the same higher level and all of the kids below that income level are expected to perform at the same lower level. If the average ED student at Kenmore has a lower family income than the average ED student at Williamsburg, that the test scores at Williamsburg among ED students are higher does not necessarily mean that being with more affluent peers improves individual students' test scores. Same goes when comparing non-ED students at the same schools. Moving more affluent kids into Kenmore and moving less affluent kids out will probably improve test scores for the school overall, but that doesn't mean it'll improve the achievement of individual students.

Actually, there is research that proves that being in an integrated schools improves students' individual outcomes.
http://www.ascd.org/publications/educational-leadership/may13/vol70/num08/Boosting-Achievement-by-Pursuing-Diversity.aspx
https://tcf.org/content/report/school-integration-practice-lessons-nine-districts/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who ever did the analysis of the sol numbers, thank you.
But the numbers are still lower.

Williamsburg or Kenmore?

If you control for FARM status, test scores at Kenmore are still lower than at Williamsburg. One of the limitations of this analysis, though, is that it's not like SES and how it correlates with school performance is a yes/no question, where all kids above a certain income level are expected to perform at the same higher level and all of the kids below that income level are expected to perform at the same lower level. If the average ED student at Kenmore has a lower family income than the average ED student at Williamsburg, that the test scores at Williamsburg among ED students are higher does not necessarily mean that being with more affluent peers improves individual students' test scores. Same goes when comparing non-ED students at the same schools. Moving more affluent kids into Kenmore and moving less affluent kids out will probably improve test scores for the school overall, but that doesn't mean it'll improve the achievement of individual students.

Actually, there is research that proves that being in an integrated schools improves students' individual outcomes.
http://www.ascd.org/publications/educational-leadership/may13/vol70/num08/Boosting-Achievement-by-Pursuing-Diversity.aspx
https://tcf.org/content/report/school-integration-practice-lessons-nine-districts/

Do you bother to read what you post? Not much in here to make anyone else any to send their kids to Wakefield.

[Anonymous]

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The group charged with figuring out what to do at the Career Center for the additional 800 seats there is also charged with figuring out how they could phase in a full 4th HS at that site. A 4th HS is not off the table. The people who were screaming for a 4th HS NOW, however, completely disregarded the fact that there is no money available for a 4th HS NOW.

Let's not equate "4th comprehensive HS NOW" with "start planning for a 4th comprehensive HS NOW," because I know the former isn't possible, but I've seen APS in action (or in inaction) long enough to know that it will continue to play whack-a-mole with student demographics until it has to do something, and then it will follow the path of least (affluent North Arlington) resistance, and make a decision that increases demographic disparity among schools.

[Anonymous]

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I have no interest in early college or tech school or anything that forces my kids to decide what type of worker bee they're going to become before they are 14.

I don't think early college does that, though. I think it's probably a good fit for kids who need an academic challenge in a smaller environment. I can think of a lot of kids who don't cope well with crowds or boredom and a fair number who could benefit from a faster path to a bachelor's degree, either because of finances or because while they can handle school, they don't particularly like it and would rather be out earning money than strolling through the groves of academe.

And none of these is my kid (well, actually, the younger one would probably like to get school over with as soon as possible, but this is just one more way we'd slow them down with a spirit-squashing "What's the rush? NO), but that doesn't mean I can't advocate for something I think would be good for a currently neglected minority.

[Anonymous]

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I have no interest in early college or tech school or anything that forces my kids to decide what type of worker bee they're going to become before they are 14.

I don't think early college does that, though. I think it's probably a good fit for kids who need an academic challenge in a smaller environment. I can think of a lot of kids who don't cope well with crowds or boredom and a fair number who could benefit from a faster path to a bachelor's degree, either because of finances or because while they can handle school, they don't particularly like it and would rather be out earning money than strolling through the groves of academe.

And none of these is my kid (well, actually, the younger one would probably like to get school over with as soon as possible, but this is just one more way we'd slow them down with a spirit-squashing "What's the rush? NO), but that doesn't mean I can't advocate for something I think would be good for a currently neglected minority.

But how many are in this "neglected" minority? Because there will be hundreds of seats at Arl Tech and the Career Center when they are built out. Do they need 500 MORE of these type of seats? And I'd hardly call four years of a traditional HS education "strolling through the the groves of academe." I'd call it basic. I don't discount there are some students who'd want a more technical program. I just doubt the numbers. There aren't that many families in Arlington who'd encourage this. Not more than can be sustained at the other programs already in the works.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who ever did the analysis of the sol numbers, thank you.
But the numbers are still lower.

Williamsburg or Kenmore?

If you control for FARM status, test scores at Kenmore are still lower than at Williamsburg. One of the limitations of this analysis, though, is that it's not like SES and how it correlates with school performance is a yes/no question, where all kids above a certain income level are expected to perform at the same higher level and all of the kids below that income level are expected to perform at the same lower level. If the average ED student at Kenmore has a lower family income than the average ED student at Williamsburg, that the test scores at Williamsburg among ED students are higher does not necessarily mean that being with more affluent peers improves individual students' test scores. Same goes when comparing non-ED students at the same schools. Moving more affluent kids into Kenmore and moving less affluent kids out will probably improve test scores for the school overall, but that doesn't mean it'll improve the achievement of individual students.

Actually, there is research that proves that being in an integrated schools improves students' individual outcomes.
http://www.ascd.org/publications/educational-leadership/may13/vol70/num08/Boosting-Achievement-by-Pursuing-Diversity.aspx
https://tcf.org/content/report/school-integration-practice-lessons-nine-districts/

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess you've never had training in how to review or use scientific research.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I have no interest in early college or tech school or anything that forces my kids to decide what type of worker bee they're going to become before they are 14.

I don't think early college does that, though. I think it's probably a good fit for kids who need an academic challenge in a smaller environment. I can think of a lot of kids who don't cope well with crowds or boredom and a fair number who could benefit from a faster path to a bachelor's degree, either because of finances or because while they can handle school, they don't particularly like it and would rather be out earning money than strolling through the groves of academe.

And none of these is my kid (well, actually, the younger one would probably like to get school over with as soon as possible, but this is just one more way we'd slow them down with a spirit-squashing "What's the rush? NO), but that doesn't mean I can't advocate for something I think would be good for a currently neglected minority.

But how many are in this "neglected" minority? Because there will be hundreds of seats at Arl Tech and the Career Center when they are built out. Do they need 500 MORE of these type of seats? And I'd hardly call four years of a traditional HS education "strolling through the the groves of academe." I'd call it basic. I don't discount there are some students who'd want a more technical program. I just doubt the numbers. There aren't that many families in Arlington who'd encourage this. Not more than can be sustained at the other programs already in the works.

Early college isn't the same as these types of seats. It's a way to get college credits (like IB or AP), but often for kids who aren't aiming for HYP and who need more help adapting to college. I think it's elitist and juvenile to dismiss them as "basic."

Also, the groves of academe was about college, not HS.

[Anonymous]

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1) APS puts the same amount per student at all HS but there is an enormous disparity in family ability to contribute whether it is PTA, band booster, etc. This is a huge issue at ever level (ES, MS, HS) and in some cased (see low f/r lunch schools) it is almost as if the parents are building a luxury private school on the bones of the public funding.
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No fucking clue. You do realize how much Arlington spends per student...

Dp- do you realize how much money some of the North Arlington PTA’s raise? you really don’t have a clue.

Who cares how much some of the NA PTAs raise? It has no impact on students at other schools.

Not the PP, but I think you are pointing to a large part of the problem: opportunity hoarding. The other big issue I have with school segregation is that racism and bigotry are more likely to go unchecked in less diverse schools, and that's an ongoing problem for us all. Well, those of us who think Donald Trump lacks empathy and human decency anyway.

Yes, but hardly anyone voted for Trump in Arlington. Chances are, most of the alleged opportunity hoarders are liberal.

For what it's worth, not voting for Trump does not mean liberal.

[Anonymous]

None of the three APS high schools seems appealing.

YHS - full of rich kids, but too many drugs and punches below its weight academically

WLHS - most balanced, but way too overcrowded

WHS - nicest building, but terrible test scores

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:None of the three APS high schools seems appealing.

YHS - full of rich kids, but too many drugs and punches below its weight academically

WLHS - most balanced, but way too overcrowded

WHS - nicest building, but terrible test scores

that's why HB exists.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:None of the three APS high schools seems appealing.

YHS - full of rich kids, but too many drugs and punches below its weight academically

WLHS - most balanced, but way too overcrowded

WHS - nicest building, but terrible test scores

that's why HB exists.

And Fairfax.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:None of the three APS high schools seems appealing.

YHS - full of rich kids, but too many drugs and punches below its weight academically

WLHS - most balanced, but way too overcrowded

WHS - nicest building, but terrible test scores

If you don’t think your kid can overcome the average test scores at Wakefield, your kid isn’t as bright as you think they are. You aren’t the great parent you think you are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:None of the three APS high schools seems appealing.

YHS - full of rich kids, but too many drugs and punches below its weight academically

WLHS - most balanced, but way too overcrowded

WHS - nicest building, but terrible test scores

If you don’t think your kid can overcome the average test scores at Wakefield, your kid isn’t as bright as you think they are. You aren’t the great parent you think you are.

Meh. Toss your kid into Wakefield if you want. Very few high performers there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:None of the three APS high schools seems appealing.

YHS - full of rich kids, but too many drugs and punches below its weight academically

WLHS - most balanced, but way too overcrowded

WHS - nicest building, but terrible test scores

If you don’t think your kid can overcome the average test scores at Wakefield, your kid isn’t as bright as you think they are. You aren’t the great parent you think you are.

Meh. Toss your kid into Wakefield if you want. Very few high performers there.

Obviously yours can’t rise above. No shame in that. Let them go get high at YTown.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:None of the three APS high schools seems appealing.

YHS - full of rich kids, but too many drugs and punches below its weight academically

WLHS - most balanced, but way too overcrowded

WHS - nicest building, but terrible test scores

If you don’t think your kid can overcome the average test scores at Wakefield, your kid isn’t as bright as you think they are. You aren’t the great parent you think you are.

Meh. Toss your kid into Wakefield if you want. Very few high performers there.

Obviously yours can’t rise above. No shame in that. Let them go get high at YTown.

Obviously yours never did.