Renting but not occupying for DCPS in-boundary residency purposes?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No, they're the kind of "difficult" people willing to do the research to find out that barely competent DDOT didn't even have a record of the badly degraded sidewalks in question. I like a constructive and civil minded squeaky wheel. They've settled in the neighborhood, and contributed meaningfully to it. I don't think it's anybody's business where they sleep or which public schools they use but their own. Ugh, holier than thou posters.

That's fine, but realize they're only out to help themselves. It's not really civil minded, IMO. The boundary cheating proves it.

[Anonymous]

These grumpy fall residency threads are all the same:

Petty PPs itching to out suspected "cheaters" they have personal issues with (despite hardly knowing them), but not following through.

Judgemental PPs calling alleged cheaters, and aspiring cheaters, names.

Sanctimonious PPs twisting fictitious new OSSE "rules" on residency to suit their moral purposes.

Blech. Please mind your own business unless cheaters don't pay DC taxes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These grumpy fall residency threads are all the same:

Petty PPs itching to out suspected "cheaters" they have personal issues with (despite hardly knowing them), but not following through.

Judgemental PPs calling alleged cheaters, and aspiring cheaters, names.

Sanctimonious PPs twisting fictitious new OSSE "rules" on residency to suit their moral purposes.

Blech. Please mind your own business unless cheaters don't pay DC taxes.

But, again, you are acting like their is no harm to boundary-cheating, that it doesn't affect anyone else. And yet it does -- overcrowding being Exhibit A.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These grumpy fall residency threads are all the same:

Petty PPs itching to out suspected "cheaters" they have personal issues with (despite hardly knowing them), but not following through.

Judgemental PPs calling alleged cheaters, and aspiring cheaters, names.

Sanctimonious PPs twisting fictitious new OSSE "rules" on residency to suit their moral purposes.

Blech. Please mind your own business unless cheaters don't pay DC taxes.

Blech to everything you said. Some of us care because we are making sacrifices so our kids can get a decent education. We live in an apartment on Connecticut Ave. Do you not think that we would not move in a hearbeat if it weren't for schools??? Of course we would!!!! You aren't being smart of clever when cheating the system. I don't want your cheating ass crowing my child's classes and taking away from resources I invest in. Go to your neighborhood school since you value where you live so much. I value my kid's education.

This is one parent who will never be intimidated by cheaters.

[Anonymous]

I'm not an address cheater and I don't take pot shots at them on these threads. At our school, what I've notice about those who bitch about alleged cheaters who pay DC taxes, and can produce the residency docs OSSE requires, is that they're:

A) not very happy people

B) jealous, even insanely jealous, of families with the wherewithal to rent IB apartments and buy 2nd homes to secure addresses for desirable public schools. There also may be other, more personal reasons, they're envious of specific alleged cheaters.

I have news for you guys, you aren't going to succeed in catching or shaming "cheaters" no matter how hard you try. They probably aren't breaking the law or OSSE rules, not as written.

If you aren't going to bother taking up the anti cheating cause with OSSE, DCPS, your DC City Council Member, or the press, you might as well be shouting down the wind.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These grumpy fall residency threads are all the same:

Petty PPs itching to out suspected "cheaters" they have personal issues with (despite hardly knowing them), but not following through.

Judgemental PPs calling alleged cheaters, and aspiring cheaters, names.

Sanctimonious PPs twisting fictitious new OSSE "rules" on residency to suit their moral purposes.

Blech. Please mind your own business unless cheaters don't pay DC taxes.

But, again, you are acting like their is no harm to boundary-cheating, that it doesn't affect anyone else. And yet it does -- overcrowding being Exhibit A.

Not buying it. Some of the "cheaters" at are our school in NE (we seem to have a good many) are the ones knocking themselves out to help the institution, mainly by raising money for the pTA. Their critics mostly sit on their asses and bitch about the "harm" they're doing. They're very welcome to overcrowd our school, which doesn't lead to a ms worth touching anyway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm not an address cheater and I don't take pot shots at them on these threads. At our school, what I've notice about those who bitch about alleged cheaters who pay DC taxes, and can produce the residency docs OSSE requires, is that they're:

A) not very happy people

B) jealous, even insanely jealous, of families with the wherewithal to rent IB apartments and buy 2nd homes to secure addresses for desirable public schools. There also may be other, more personal reasons, they're envious of specific alleged cheaters.

I have news for you guys, you aren't going to succeed in catching or shaming "cheaters" no matter how hard you try. They probably aren't breaking the law or OSSE rules, not as written.

If you aren't going to bother taking up the anti cheating cause with OSSE, DCPS, your DC City Council Member, or the press, you might as well be shouting down the wind.

Don't be obtuse. Of course they are breaking the rules. Why do you think you have to provide updated Proof of Residency when you move and switch schools?

[Anonymous]

If you cheater-haters want the OSSE rules on residency to read "the student gets thrown out of his or her public school immediately if it's determined that s/he hasn't slept at the address provided at least 50% of the nights in the last calendar year," why not campaign for that, make it happen?

I don't see a rule anything like that in any of the OSSE docs on residency, at least the ones on their web pages. Slamming parents who aren't breaking the current rules on thread after thread seems like a waste of time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm not an address cheater and I don't take pot shots at them on these threads. At our school, what I've notice about those who bitch about alleged cheaters who pay DC taxes, and can produce the residency docs OSSE requires, is that they're:

A) not very happy people

B) jealous, even insanely jealous, of families with the wherewithal to rent IB apartments and buy 2nd homes to secure addresses for desirable public schools. There also may be other, more personal reasons, they're envious of specific alleged cheaters.

I have news for you guys, you aren't going to succeed in catching or shaming "cheaters" no matter how hard you try. They probably aren't breaking the law or OSSE rules, not as written.

If you aren't going to bother taking up the anti cheating cause with OSSE, DCPS, your DC City Council Member, or the press, you might as well be shouting down the wind.

It's cheating, and fraud. The address you put down is supposed to be where you "reside," and you affirm that you're not lying. While putting down an address where you have never resided might not be residency fraud if you still live in DC, you're still providing false information in a form that is intended to be used to verify residency.

Personally I don't have an intense reaction to it, but I don't blame those who do, especially if the person is using the fake address to get a lottery spot in PK. Arguably those reporting cheaters are engaged in civic-minded activity, just as much as the sidewalk fixer upthread is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you cheater-haters want the OSSE rules on residency to read "the student gets thrown out of his or her public school immediately if it's determined that s/he hasn't slept at the address provided at least 50% of the nights in the last calendar year," why not campaign for that, make it happen?

I don't see a rule anything like that in any of the OSSE docs on residency, at least the ones on their web pages. Slamming parents who aren't breaking the current rules on thread after thread seems like a waste of time.

You're quite clearly supposed to write down the actual address where you actually live. If all you did was rent an apartment and have never resided there and you use that address, that's a lie. We're not talking about a child who sleeps at Grandma's during the week.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you cheater-haters want the OSSE rules on residency to read "the student gets thrown out of his or her public school immediately if it's determined that s/he hasn't slept at the address provided at least 50% of the nights in the last calendar year," why not campaign for that, make it happen?

I don't see a rule anything like that in any of the OSSE docs on residency, at least the ones on their web pages. Slamming parents who aren't breaking the current rules on thread after thread seems like a waste of time.

Here are the full regulations as updated in March 2017 - they are lengthier than what OSSE puts on its website.

They set forth how residency is established in all sorts of scenarios including divorced, separated parents or never married parents, wards of the state, undocumented students and homeless students.

They are silent on the DC boundary rules -- only about proving DC residency.

http://dcregs.dc.gov/Gateway/RuleHome.aspx?RuleNumber=5-A5004

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you cheater-haters want the OSSE rules on residency to read "the student gets thrown out of his or her public school immediately if it's determined that s/he hasn't slept at the address provided at least 50% of the nights in the last calendar year," why not campaign for that, make it happen?

I don't see a rule anything like that in any of the OSSE docs on residency, at least the ones on their web pages. Slamming parents who aren't breaking the current rules on thread after thread seems like a waste of time.

You're quite clearly supposed to write down the actual address where you actually live. If all you did was rent an apartment and have never resided there and you use that address, that's a lie. We're not talking about a child who sleeps at Grandma's during the week.

Cheaters know that. They DNGAF. Saying that it's a lie over and over doesn't change that many, many people do that and get away with it. It's like complaining that people who speed on the beltway are breaking the law.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you cheater-haters want the OSSE rules on residency to read "the student gets thrown out of his or her public school immediately if it's determined that s/he hasn't slept at the address provided at least 50% of the nights in the last calendar year," why not campaign for that, make it happen?

I don't see a rule anything like that in any of the OSSE docs on residency, at least the ones on their web pages. Slamming parents who aren't breaking the current rules on thread after thread seems like a waste of time.

Here are the full regulations as updated in March 2017 - they are lengthier than what OSSE puts on its website.

They set forth how residency is established in all sorts of scenarios including divorced, separated parents or never married parents, wards of the state, undocumented students and homeless students.

They are silent on the DC boundary rules -- only about proving DC residency.

http://dcregs.dc.gov/Gateway/RuleHome.aspx?RuleNumber=5-A5004

Right -- but the forms submitted to the school for residency verification would have the fake address on them, right? That's the problem at the DC-level. At the school level, I assume that principals have control over this, and that they would not take kindly to being lied to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm not an address cheater and I don't take pot shots at them on these threads. At our school, what I've notice about those who bitch about alleged cheaters who pay DC taxes, and can produce the residency docs OSSE requires, is that they're:

A) not very happy people

B) jealous, even insanely jealous, of families with the wherewithal to rent IB apartments and buy 2nd homes to secure addresses for desirable public schools. There also may be other, more personal reasons, they're envious of specific alleged cheaters.

I have news for you guys, you aren't going to succeed in catching or shaming "cheaters" no matter how hard you try. They probably aren't breaking the law or OSSE rules, not as written.

If you aren't going to bother taking up the anti cheating cause with OSSE, DCPS, your DC City Council Member, or the press, you might as well be shouting down the wind.

It is amazing to me to what lengths cheaters go to shame those who question them. We aren't jealous of your home in an up-and-coming neighborhood or your commute to drop your kid off in our schools. We are pissed that you are taking resources away from our kids. Go back to your school or face the music.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you cheater-haters want the OSSE rules on residency to read "the student gets thrown out of his or her public school immediately if it's determined that s/he hasn't slept at the address provided at least 50% of the nights in the last calendar year," why not campaign for that, make it happen?

I don't see a rule anything like that in any of the OSSE docs on residency, at least the ones on their web pages. Slamming parents who aren't breaking the current rules on thread after thread seems like a waste of time.

Here are the full regulations as updated in March 2017 - they are lengthier than what OSSE puts on its website.

They set forth how residency is established in all sorts of scenarios including divorced, separated parents or never married parents, wards of the state, undocumented students and homeless students.

They are silent on the DC boundary rules -- only about proving DC residency.

http://dcregs.dc.gov/Gateway/RuleHome.aspx?RuleNumber=5-A5004

Right -- but the forms submitted to the school for residency verification would have the fake address on them, right? That's the problem at the DC-level. At the school level, I assume that principals have control over this, and that they would not take kindly to being lied to.

I don't know if the principals care, beyond the fact that it would probably create more work for them. It's on principals and DCPS to enforce DCPS boundary cheating -- not OSSE.