Renting but not occupying for DCPS in-boundary residency purposes?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you cheater-haters want the OSSE rules on residency to read "the student gets thrown out of his or her public school immediately if it's determined that s/he hasn't slept at the address provided at least 50% of the nights in the last calendar year," why not campaign for that, make it happen?

I don't see a rule anything like that in any of the OSSE docs on residency, at least the ones on their web pages. Slamming parents who aren't breaking the current rules on thread after thread seems like a waste of time.

Here are the full regulations as updated in March 2017 - they are lengthier than what OSSE puts on its website.

They set forth how residency is established in all sorts of scenarios including divorced, separated parents or never married parents, wards of the state, undocumented students and homeless students.

They are silent on the DC boundary rules -- only about proving DC residency.

http://dcregs.dc.gov/Gateway/RuleHome.aspx?RuleNumber=5-A5004

Thanks for sharing. Since OSSE is in fact silent on the DC boundary rules, what leg do you residency vigilantes have to stand on legally?

You can bitch and moan about cheaters paying DC taxes and using rental units and relatives' addresses to enroll as violations of the spirit of the law without that getting you anywhere in particular. I'd give it a rest.

[Anonymous]

They are paying for two homes in DC, each one entities them to its IB school. Double the taxes, double the options. Nobody's business where they choose to spend the night.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's a concrete example of why this is not a good idea. I live in the Ross ES school zone, which is a super-highly rated school with PK3. They have home visits for pre-K kids. In the past, teachers have scheduled home visits right before the school year started, realized the parents in fact, did not live within the boundary, and the kids were not allowed to take those PK slots and I would guess, had to scramble to find a new option in August.

And also agree with other people that OP's conscience should not be "clean."

This is 100% urban myth. We opted out of our home visit and still attend.

So how many people do you think are cheating like you? Is is a lot?

Is it possible that all of the money and time being spent trying to solve the overcrowding issues in Ward 3 are actually not needed and simple enforcement of living in boundary will solve the problem?

Relax. We live IB. But there is zero truth to you skipping a home visit and kids not allowed to take PK spots. What person who cheats does a home visit?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you cheater-haters want the OSSE rules on residency to read "the student gets thrown out of his or her public school immediately if it's determined that s/he hasn't slept at the address provided at least 50% of the nights in the last calendar year," why not campaign for that, make it happen?

I don't see a rule anything like that in any of the OSSE docs on residency, at least the ones on their web pages. Slamming parents who aren't breaking the current rules on thread after thread seems like a waste of time.

Here are the full regulations as updated in March 2017 - they are lengthier than what OSSE puts on its website.

They set forth how residency is established in all sorts of scenarios including divorced, separated parents or never married parents, wards of the state, undocumented students and homeless students.

They are silent on the DC boundary rules -- only about proving DC residency.

http://dcregs.dc.gov/Gateway/RuleHome.aspx?RuleNumber=5-A5004

Thanks for sharing. Since OSSE is in fact silent on the DC boundary rules, what leg do you residency vigilantes have to stand on legally?

You can bitch and moan about cheaters paying DC taxes and using rental units and relatives' addresses to enroll as violations of the spirit of the law without that getting you anywhere in particular. I'd give it a rest.

So then there are no real boundaries? What is the point of the in boundary preference in the PK lottery?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you cheater-haters want the OSSE rules on residency to read "the student gets thrown out of his or her public school immediately if it's determined that s/he hasn't slept at the address provided at least 50% of the nights in the last calendar year," why not campaign for that, make it happen?

I don't see a rule anything like that in any of the OSSE docs on residency, at least the ones on their web pages. Slamming parents who aren't breaking the current rules on thread after thread seems like a waste of time.

Here are the full regulations as updated in March 2017 - they are lengthier than what OSSE puts on its website.

They set forth how residency is established in all sorts of scenarios including divorced, separated parents or never married parents, wards of the state, undocumented students and homeless students.

They are silent on the DC boundary rules -- only about proving DC residency.

http://dcregs.dc.gov/Gateway/RuleHome.aspx?RuleNumber=5-A5004

Thanks for sharing. Since OSSE is in fact silent on the DC boundary rules, what leg do you residency vigilantes have to stand on legally?

You can bitch and moan about cheaters paying DC taxes and using rental units and relatives' addresses to enroll as violations of the spirit of the law without that getting you anywhere in particular. I'd give it a rest.

So then there are no real boundaries? What is the point of the in boundary preference in the PK lottery?

It's been said 8,000 times: Intra-DC boundaries are a DCPS issue, not an OSSE issue. That doesn't mean there are no rules.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They are paying for two homes in DC, each one entities them to its IB school. Double the taxes, double the options. Nobody's business where they choose to spend the night.

Er, "residency" does encompass where you sleep. The IRS certainly cares, and so does DCPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's a concrete example of why this is not a good idea. I live in the Ross ES school zone, which is a super-highly rated school with PK3. They have home visits for pre-K kids. In the past, teachers have scheduled home visits right before the school year started, realized the parents in fact, did not live within the boundary, and the kids were not allowed to take those PK slots and I would guess, had to scramble to find a new option in August.

And also agree with other people that OP's conscience should not be "clean."

This is 100% urban myth. We opted out of our home visit and still attend.

So how many people do you think are cheating like you? Is is a lot?

Is it possible that all of the money and time being spent trying to solve the overcrowding issues in Ward 3 are actually not needed and simple enforcement of living in boundary will solve the problem?

Relax. We live IB. But there is zero truth to you skipping a home visit and kids not allowed to take PK spots. What person who cheats does a home visit?

Our DCPS gives ECE parents a choice where home visits are concerned - the visit can take place in the home, or in the classroom. You don't need to give a reason for choosing a classroom visit over a home visit. I suppose admins and teachers don't want parents who are embarrassed about their living situation (e.g. a family facing financial hardship due cramming into a rented studio apartment) to feel ashamed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you cheater-haters want the OSSE rules on residency to read "the student gets thrown out of his or her public school immediately if it's determined that s/he hasn't slept at the address provided at least 50% of the nights in the last calendar year," why not campaign for that, make it happen?

I don't see a rule anything like that in any of the OSSE docs on residency, at least the ones on their web pages. Slamming parents who aren't breaking the current rules on thread after thread seems like a waste of time.

Here are the full regulations as updated in March 2017 - they are lengthier than what OSSE puts on its website.

They set forth how residency is established in all sorts of scenarios including divorced, separated parents or never married parents, wards of the state, undocumented students and homeless students.

They are silent on the DC boundary rules -- only about proving DC residency.

http://dcregs.dc.gov/Gateway/RuleHome.aspx?RuleNumber=5-A5004

Thanks for sharing. Since OSSE is in fact silent on the DC boundary rules, what leg do you residency vigilantes have to stand on legally?

You can bitch and moan about cheaters paying DC taxes and using rental units and relatives' addresses to enroll as violations of the spirit of the law without that getting you anywhere in particular. I'd give it a rest.

So then there are no real boundaries? What is the point of the in boundary preference in the PK lottery?

OSSE in DC is in charge of state level rules. So they set rules for how to prove someone lives in DC (see the forms used by charters and DCPS each year).

But DCPS is an LEA (local education agency). It makes policies, decides how many schools there will be and draws boundary lines.

DCPS enforces its boundary rules -- or can grant exceptions to them (e.g. allowing a student who begins in one school's feeder pattern to stay put). But those policies don't carry the same weight as a state regulation from OSSE.

If you are investigated for boundary cheating -- DCPS can send you back to your IB school. They can also send you back to your IB school for excessive tardiness or absences.

[Anonymous]

Messy, messy.

When your kid has a play date and the other parent finds out you live in a nice neighborhood out of bounds, that parent will definitely report. An investigation will be started, so you'll have to at least minimally furnish the place and stay there a few nights per week.

Residency isn't just having an address, it's spending x number of nights sleeping there per week (or month) and having utilities in your name.

My friend got her child custody agreement amended so her kid could use his father's apartment address to go to a better school. Before it was amended, the kid didn't meet the minimum requirements for established residency (the dad only got the kid Friday night to Sunday afternoon).

Do you want your kid to possibly be pulled out of school mid-year and transferred to the school in-bounds?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They are paying for two homes in DC, each one entities them to its IB school. Double the taxes, double the options. Nobody's business where they choose to spend the night.

That is not what OP is doing. Perhaps a course in reading comprehension would benefit you. And yes, it matters where they live even if that were the case.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are paying for two homes in DC, each one entities them to its IB school. Double the taxes, double the options. Nobody's business where they choose to spend the night.

Er, "residency" does encompass where you sleep. The IRS certainly cares, and so does DCPS.

Not really,"domicile" laws vary from state to state. As long as you comply with state law on residency, and file and pay both state and federal taxes, the IRS doesn't in fact care where you sleep.

DCPS doesn't care where you sleep either, at least for now. They care where you get mail, pay utilities, and pay taxes.

I'm not arguing in favor of breaking OSSE or DCPS rules on residency, only pointing out that the rules on in-boundary residence simply don't read like those protesting "address cheating by DC taxpayers" dearly wish they did.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are paying for two homes in DC, each one entities them to its IB school. Double the taxes, double the options. Nobody's business where they choose to spend the night.

That is not what OP is doing. Perhaps a course in reading comprehension would benefit you. And yes, it matters where they live even if that were the case.

Not the PP you're responding to, but please don't be rude.

This discussion on DC residency vs. school enrollment has been more wide-ranging than simply answering OP's question.

[Anonymous]

For all those who own/rent a home IB for school purposes but live OOB--if you really think you're doing nothing wrong and that this practice is acceptable, then you shouldn't mind if you're reported. Actually, you should tell your principal yourself, since you say there's nothing in the rules that forbids that practice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are paying for two homes in DC, each one entities them to its IB school. Double the taxes, double the options. Nobody's business where they choose to spend the night.

Er, "residency" does encompass where you sleep. The IRS certainly cares, and so does DCPS.

Not really,"domicile" laws vary from state to state. As long as you comply with state law on residency, and file and pay both state and federal taxes, the IRS doesn't in fact care where you sleep.

DCPS doesn't care where you sleep either, at least for now. They care where you get mail, pay utilities, and pay taxes.

I'm not arguing in favor of breaking OSSE or DCPS rules on residency, only pointing out that the rules on in-boundary residence simply don't read like those protesting "address cheating by DC taxpayers" dearly wish they did.

Have you ever lived abroad? One set of rules for US tax benefits depend precisely on how many days you spend in the US vs. abroad. States, too, care whether you live most of the year or some of the year in their state. And, yes, DCPS cares where you actually live -- at least the overcrowded NW schools do.

[Anonymous]

I think it's well established that people who do this are breaking some sort of rule.

It doesn't stop people from doing it. And posts like 14:41 aren't going to shame anyone who's doing this already.

If it bothers you, your only recourse is to report suspected boundary cheaters.