Renting but not occupying for DCPS in-boundary residency purposes?

[Anonymous]

Nobody loves anything more than DCUM parents love play dates.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:If you strongly suspect residency cheating and it rankles you, go on, call the darn fraud hotline, or complain to your principal.

Playing CSI, coming here to slam fellow parents for cheating, and whispering about them in your school community isn't cool. You'd be surprised how many "people who live in MD" pay income tax in DC, and how many parents who "never lived" at IB house actually lived there.

Caring that people cheat and undermine the system while others pay up to play by the rules "isn't cool"?! You sound like you're in high school.

All of you completely unbothered by boundary cheating must not be at the overcrowded schoold that others of us make financial sacrifices to access. If it's unimportant to your school, so be it, but for some schools, it matters.

And those defending OP and her proposed 2nd home, remember that's just aiming to rent a studio, ie, the cheapest thing she can get. She would not be renting a home comparable to what she has otherwise chosen for her family, just an address.

The point was made that you can care all you want, take umbrage if you will, be bothered continually. You can also call the tipline anytime you like, and/or complain to your school's admins about suspected cheaters.

What you shouldn't be doing is judging, hounding, hassling and trying to besmirch the reputations of parents who, as far as DCPS is concerned, aren't in their sights for whatever reasons.

Irrespective of what ideally ought or ought not happen, it happens. People talk. If these families believe their practices are legal and acceptable, then it shouldn't matter.

I do think it hurts the school community when people do this. These families sometimes live far away and don't always show up to school events. Their kids are more likely to stay home on bad weather days, when those who actually live in the neighborhood all show up. Play dates are declined. I've seen all of this happen with families who are supposedly IB, but not really.

And some of us OOB trash serve as president of the PTO.

[Anonymous]

+1. Good for you.

At our DCPS, some parents who live across the street from campus seldom put out for the school, while OOB parents often get very involved. Many OOB families live within a mile of the school - the district is only around eight blocks square.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you strongly suspect residency cheating and it rankles you, go on, call the darn fraud hotline, or complain to your principal.

Playing CSI, coming here to slam fellow parents for cheating, and whispering about them in your school community isn't cool. You'd be surprised how many "people who live in MD" pay income tax in DC, and how many parents who "never lived" at IB house actually lived there.

Caring that people cheat and undermine the system while others pay up to play by the rules "isn't cool"?! You sound like you're in high school.

All of you completely unbothered by boundary cheating must not be at the overcrowded schoold that others of us make financial sacrifices to access. If it's unimportant to your school, so be it, but for some schools, it matters.

And those defending OP and her proposed 2nd home, remember that's just aiming to rent a studio, ie, the cheapest thing she can get. She would not be renting a home comparable to what she has otherwise chosen for her family, just an address.

The point was made that you can care all you want, take umbrage if you will, be bothered continually. You can also call the tipline anytime you like, and/or complain to your school's admins about suspected cheaters.

What you shouldn't be doing is judging, hounding, hassling and trying to besmirch the reputations of parents who, as far as DCPS is concerned, aren't in their sights for whatever reasons.

Irrespective of what ideally ought or ought not happen, it happens. People talk. If these families believe their practices are legal and acceptable, then it shouldn't matter.

I do think it hurts the school community when people do this. These families sometimes live far away and don't always show up to school events. Their kids are more likely to stay home on bad weather days, when those who actually live in the neighborhood all show up. Play dates are declined. I've seen all of this happen with families who are supposedly IB, but not really.

And some of us OOB trash serve as president of the PTO.

PP here and please don't conflate the two. Yes there are many OOB parents who are very active and are wonderful, but that's not who's being referenced here. I'm specifically talking about the cheating families who don't want to get "found out" and so aren't very active.

And while we're at it, I feel bad for the families who are trying to do it the right way by being honest, and aren't successful. I know one family who tried to lottery in OOB last year. They were waitlisted, and then tried to buy a home IB to actually live in. One house they were interested in went way over asking--they didn't have the winning bid, and there's not much inventory here. They had to make other plans.

People like this are getting cheated out of OOB spots by those who choose to be dishonest. And sometimes true IB families are also being cheated out of IB PK spots, as has been said before. Yes one person said she didn't mind getting cheated out of her IB spot since she got into a great charter for a year, but there are many IB families who aren't so lucky, and would prefer their young kids attend their IB instead of another school with a commute or paying for another year of daycare.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Reading comprehension. Nobody came here "playing CSI." OP posted about her fraudulent/unethical scheme.

Oh, yeah. That's quite a fraudulent/unethical scheme: paying income tax to DC, and her fair share of property tax for not one but two homes in different parts of town. A regular Al Capone this one. The single factor, in your mind, which determines whether she is an upstanding citizen or some sort of subhuman scum, is which of her two homes her child spends the night in. I can imagine you spying through her bedroom window every night and relaying your findings to exhausted fraud tipline workers trying to focus their limited enforcement resources on out-of-state residency fraud that drains our public school budget without contributing to our tax base.

Spare me. You'd be #1 whiner if your kid didn't get a PK spot due to this kind of fraud; or if your kids K class had 30 kids in it and 5 were faking addresses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reading comprehension. Nobody came here "playing CSI." OP posted about her fraudulent/unethical scheme.

Oh, yeah. That's quite a fraudulent/unethical scheme: paying income tax to DC, and her fair share of property tax for not one but two homes in different parts of town. A regular Al Capone this one. The single factor, in your mind, which determines whether she is an upstanding citizen or some sort of subhuman scum, is which of her two homes her child spends the night in. I can imagine you spying through her bedroom window every night and relaying your findings to exhausted fraud tipline workers trying to focus their limited enforcement resources on out-of-state residency fraud that drains our public school budget without contributing to our tax base.

+100. I'd like to see DCPS hit back much harder at the financial fraud crowd, and the leave the others alone.

When schools get crowded, plan ahead to add classroom trailers, build more school additions and even open more schools (rather than handing solid old school buildings off to condo developers). Close unpopular schools and auction the buildings off, or rent them out, to fund expansions of wildly popular schools. Provide parents with more incentives to use schools that aren't wildly popular, like attractive programming (including GT programming) and free or dirt cheap after care.

Truth is, DCPS owns a good deal of dramatically under-utilized real estate.

There is a point where a school is too big, there is a negative impact on the education of the kids. The larger elementary schools in NW (Murch, Janney, and Lafayette) and Deal are at or close to that point.

DCPS is a neighborhood school system with the ability to apply OOB and continuing that was fought out in 2013. There are other options that were considered but not on the table was the “renting an apt you don’t live in to commit fraud” plan.

It is fraud, making up a story about paying taxes is just justifying a wrongful action by talking about a factor that is not part of the rules. Don’t fool yourself that it doesn’t matter and everyone is doing it. They are not. If you are doing it you are lying on government documents.

And that crap where you put down parents that followed the rules as scared to live among the “other” that you don’t want your kids to go to school with, wow, just WOW.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you strongly suspect residency cheating and it rankles you, go on, call the darn fraud hotline, or complain to your principal.

Playing CSI, coming here to slam fellow parents for cheating, and whispering about them in your school community isn't cool. You'd be surprised how many "people who live in MD" pay income tax in DC, and how many parents who "never lived" at IB house actually lived there.

Caring that people cheat and undermine the system while others pay up to play by the rules "isn't cool"?! You sound like you're in high school.

All of you completely unbothered by boundary cheating must not be at the overcrowded schoold that others of us make financial sacrifices to access. If it's unimportant to your school, so be it, but for some schools, it matters.

And those defending OP and her proposed 2nd home, remember that's just aiming to rent a studio, ie, the cheapest thing she can get. She would not be renting a home comparable to what she has otherwise chosen for her family, just an address.

The point was made that you can care all you want, take umbrage if you will, be bothered continually. You can also call the tipline anytime you like, and/or complain to your school's admins about suspected cheaters.

What you shouldn't be doing is judging, hounding, hassling and trying to besmirch the reputations of parents who, as far as DCPS is concerned, aren't in their sights for whatever reasons.

DUDE! THEY are the ones who chose to engage in fraud and cheating for their own, individual benefit. THEY are besmirching their own reputations by lying. I'm not spending any energy going after them; but it's ridiculous to do something unethical and then whine when you get told you're being unethical.

[Anonymous]

So mad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you strongly suspect residency cheating and it rankles you, go on, call the darn fraud hotline, or complain to your principal.

Playing CSI, coming here to slam fellow parents for cheating, and whispering about them in your school community isn't cool. You'd be surprised how many "people who live in MD" pay income tax in DC, and how many parents who "never lived" at IB house actually lived there.

Caring that people cheat and undermine the system while others pay up to play by the rules "isn't cool"?! You sound like you're in high school.

All of you completely unbothered by boundary cheating must not be at the overcrowded schoold that others of us make financial sacrifices to access. If it's unimportant to your school, so be it, but for some schools, it matters.

And those defending OP and her proposed 2nd home, remember that's just aiming to rent a studio, ie, the cheapest thing she can get. She would not be renting a home comparable to what she has otherwise chosen for her family, just an address.

The point was made that you can care all you want, take umbrage if you will, be bothered continually. You can also call the tipline anytime you like, and/or complain to your school's admins about suspected cheaters.

What you shouldn't be doing is judging, hounding, hassling and trying to besmirch the reputations of parents who, as far as DCPS is concerned, aren't in their sights for whatever reasons.

Irrespective of what ideally ought or ought not happen, it happens. People talk. If these families believe their practices are legal and acceptable, then it shouldn't matter.

I do think it hurts the school community when people do this. These families sometimes live far away and don't always show up to school events. Their kids are more likely to stay home on bad weather days, when those who actually live in the neighborhood all show up. Play dates are declined. I've seen all of this happen with families who are supposedly IB, but not really.

And some of us OOB trash serve as president of the PTO.

It would take a special kind of narcissism to engage in fraud to attend a school, and then get yourself elected PTO president.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you strongly suspect residency cheating and it rankles you, go on, call the darn fraud hotline, or complain to your principal.

Playing CSI, coming here to slam fellow parents for cheating, and whispering about them in your school community isn't cool. You'd be surprised how many "people who live in MD" pay income tax in DC, and how many parents who "never lived" at IB house actually lived there.

Caring that people cheat and undermine the system while others pay up to play by the rules "isn't cool"?! You sound like you're in high school.

All of you completely unbothered by boundary cheating must not be at the overcrowded schoold that others of us make financial sacrifices to access. If it's unimportant to your school, so be it, but for some schools, it matters.

And those defending OP and her proposed 2nd home, remember that's just aiming to rent a studio, ie, the cheapest thing she can get. She would not be renting a home comparable to what she has otherwise chosen for her family, just an address.

The point was made that you can care all you want, take umbrage if you will, be bothered continually. You can also call the tipline anytime you like, and/or complain to your school's admins about suspected cheaters.

What you shouldn't be doing is judging, hounding, hassling and trying to besmirch the reputations of parents who, as far as DCPS is concerned, aren't in their sights for whatever reasons.

DUDE! THEY are the ones who chose to engage in fraud and cheating for their own, individual benefit. THEY are besmirching their own reputations by lying. I'm not spending any energy going after them; but it's ridiculous to do something unethical and then whine when you get told you're being unethical.

DUDE! What if THEY haven't lied, have actually obeyed the rules, and perhaps have even been investigated and cleared?

I hear parents at our school chattering unkindly about a number of families supposedly engaging in blatant residency fraud. We know that their targets include parents who are legally separated, a family that moved into a small apartment and rented out their house after one parent lost their job, and kids of a single dad with mental health issues whose grandparents have temporary custody. The snide remarks are often punctuated by a disclaimer along the lines of, but I won't go to the trouble of turning them in.

How about turning parents in and keeping quiet. Or not turning them in and keeping quiet.

[Anonymous]

"I don't want to be a rat" is something I've heard three gossips say.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"I don't want to be a rat" is something I've heard three gossips say.

So gossip > rat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"I don't want to be a rat" is something I've heard three gossips say.

People already know they are rat people. the worst gossips and insinuators that rival the nosiest neighbor character in a sitcom.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you strongly suspect residency cheating and it rankles you, go on, call the darn fraud hotline, or complain to your principal.

Playing CSI, coming here to slam fellow parents for cheating, and whispering about them in your school community isn't cool. You'd be surprised how many "people who live in MD" pay income tax in DC, and how many parents who "never lived" at IB house actually lived there.

Caring that people cheat and undermine the system while others pay up to play by the rules "isn't cool"?! You sound like you're in high school.

All of you completely unbothered by boundary cheating must not be at the overcrowded schoold that others of us make financial sacrifices to access. If it's unimportant to your school, so be it, but for some schools, it matters.

And those defending OP and her proposed 2nd home, remember that's just aiming to rent a studio, ie, the cheapest thing she can get. She would not be renting a home comparable to what she has otherwise chosen for her family, just an address.

The point was made that you can care all you want, take umbrage if you will, be bothered continually. You can also call the tipline anytime you like, and/or complain to your school's admins about suspected cheaters.

What you shouldn't be doing is judging, hounding, hassling and trying to besmirch the reputations of parents who, as far as DCPS is concerned, aren't in their sights for whatever reasons.

DUDE! THEY are the ones who chose to engage in fraud and cheating for their own, individual benefit. THEY are besmirching their own reputations by lying. I'm not spending any energy going after them; but it's ridiculous to do something unethical and then whine when you get told you're being unethical.

DUDE! What if THEY haven't lied, have actually obeyed the rules, and perhaps have even been investigated and cleared?

I hear parents at our school chattering unkindly about a number of families supposedly engaging in blatant residency fraud. We know that their targets include parents who are legally separated, a family that moved into a small apartment and rented out their house after one parent lost their job, and kids of a single dad with mental health issues whose grandparents have temporary custody. The snide remarks are often punctuated by a disclaimer along the lines of, but I won't go to the trouble of turning them in.

How about turning parents in and keeping quiet. Or not turning them in and keeping quiet.

Totally besides the point. This thread is about OP's scheme to cheat. People like her are the ones fueling gossip, so save your ire for her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you strongly suspect residency cheating and it rankles you, go on, call the darn fraud hotline, or complain to your principal.

Playing CSI, coming here to slam fellow parents for cheating, and whispering about them in your school community isn't cool. You'd be surprised how many "people who live in MD" pay income tax in DC, and how many parents who "never lived" at IB house actually lived there.

Caring that people cheat and undermine the system while others pay up to play by the rules "isn't cool"?! You sound like you're in high school.

All of you completely unbothered by boundary cheating must not be at the overcrowded schoold that others of us make financial sacrifices to access. If it's unimportant to your school, so be it, but for some schools, it matters.

And those defending OP and her proposed 2nd home, remember that's just aiming to rent a studio, ie, the cheapest thing she can get. She would not be renting a home comparable to what she has otherwise chosen for her family, just an address.

The point was made that you can care all you want, take umbrage if you will, be bothered continually. You can also call the tipline anytime you like, and/or complain to your school's admins about suspected cheaters.

What you shouldn't be doing is judging, hounding, hassling and trying to besmirch the reputations of parents who, as far as DCPS is concerned, aren't in their sights for whatever reasons.

DUDE! THEY are the ones who chose to engage in fraud and cheating for their own, individual benefit. THEY are besmirching their own reputations by lying. I'm not spending any energy going after them; but it's ridiculous to do something unethical and then whine when you get told you're being unethical.

DUDE! What if THEY haven't lied, have actually obeyed the rules, and perhaps have even been investigated and cleared?

I hear parents at our school chattering unkindly about a number of families supposedly engaging in blatant residency fraud. We know that their targets include parents who are legally separated, a family that moved into a small apartment and rented out their house after one parent lost their job, and kids of a single dad with mental health issues whose grandparents have temporary custody. The snide remarks are often punctuated by a disclaimer along the lines of, but I won't go to the trouble of turning them in.

How about turning parents in and keeping quiet. Or not turning them in and keeping quiet.

This hasn't happened at our school, that I know of. I've heard maybe one joke cracked a few years ago, but otherwise I've heard it stated pretty matter-of-factly that some families rent a studio (or other shenanigans) for IB status.