Truck kills 30 in France

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How exactly do you propose to "break the cycle"?

It's not easy, but a good first step is to stop lumping all Muslims in with the terrorists. Calling them Muslims and making them the poster boys of Islam further alienates other Muslims and legitimizes the terrorists as Muslims. That plays into the terrorist agenda. Instead, turn the tables. These guys might call themselves Muslims, but most Muslims don't support them. So, to distinguish them from the majority of Muslims, let's call them something else. I don't really care what, DAESH terrorists maybe, or better yet, DAESH murderers, but don't contribute to their exploitation of Islam. Work to split the terrorists from the non-terrorists.

Also, reconsider our foreign policy. It is almost impossible to find anything in the Middle East and Africa we are doing that supports Democracy and pluralism. Why are we contributing to Saudi Arabia's slaughter in Yemen? Why are we supporting Egypt's dictator who has sentenced hundreds of Muslim Brotherhood members to death? Why are we aligned with al-Qaida affiliates in Syria who are fighting Assad rather than ISIS? Why can't the Democratic Party even refer to the Israeli occupation of Palestinian land in its platform? Today our actions provide more and more ammunition to ISIS and the like. We need to rethink what we are doing.

You can't retrain disparate bands of people through psychological tactics. Do you believe that if the news replaced radical Muslim with Daesh terrorists people would begin - in their minds - to separate the two groups?

We're at damage control stage - totally reactive. The proactive stage hopped on the train and left years ago.

And do you think ANY political figure - from the right or left - would anger AIPAC? No presidential candidate wins w/o AIPAC's support.

As America's bipartisan pro-Israel lobby, AIPAC urges all members of Congress to support Israel through foreign aid, government partnerships, joint anti-terrorism efforts and the promotion of a negotiated two-state solution – a Jewish state of Israel and a demilitarized Palestinian state.

Well, you are illustrating why I am very pessimistic and think we should expect more such attacks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These people are fucking psychotic sociopaths-and if you vote for Hillary we will see much more of this. So we will have terror attacks from Isis and the Black Lives Matter police killings and violence. America is becoming a cesspool. At least Trumps wall won't be up so perhaps we can all escape to Mexico.

It's great when those with intellectual disabilities get to express their opinions.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How exactly do you propose to "break the cycle"?

It's not easy, but a good first step is to stop lumping all Muslims in with the terrorists. Calling them Muslims and making them the poster boys of Islam further alienates other Muslims and legitimizes the terrorists as Muslims. That plays into the terrorist agenda. Instead, turn the tables. These guys might call themselves Muslims, but most Muslims don't support them. So, to distinguish them from the majority of Muslims, let's call them something else. I don't really care what, DAESH terrorists maybe, or better yet, DAESH murderers, but don't contribute to their exploitation of Islam. Work to split the terrorists from the non-terrorists.

Also, reconsider our foreign policy. It is almost impossible to find anything in the Middle East and Africa we are doing that supports Democracy and pluralism. Why are we contributing to Saudi Arabia's slaughter in Yemen? Why are we supporting Egypt's dictator who has sentenced hundreds of Muslim Brotherhood members to death? Why are we aligned with al-Qaida affiliates in Syria who are fighting Assad rather than ISIS? Why can't the Democratic Party even refer to the Israeli occupation of Palestinian land in its platform? Today our actions provide more and more ammunition to ISIS and the like. We need to rethink what we are doing.

The only long-term solution is to completely COMPLETELY wean ourselves off of middle eastern oil. Then we can disengage from that region entirely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Driver drove a mack truck at a very high rate of speed straight into the crowd celebrating Bastille Day. Horrific.

And we keep bringing more and more radical Islamists into Europe and into the US (2 Virginia men arrested laser week for conspiring with Isis) and no matter how nice or welcoming we are we will be doomed.

I know it's not convenient to your narrative about the bad refugees, but one of those guys was born in Brooklyn. And the Paris attackers were born in France and Belgium and had EU passports. They all grew up in the West and then turned into something else. They weren't "brought in." Who knows what this latest monster's story is, but this problem is far deeper and more complex than recent immigrants and refugees.

PP, really, who cares? This can't go on. Muslims need to put a stop to this themselves somehow if they want to avoid being pariahs in the civilized world.

[Anonymous]

What I don't understand is why aren't we seeing US Muslims taking a major and loud stance against this, and really, unifying globally with others in the western world. This needs to be an absolute priority, and yet, we see and hear very little of it. This truly is a war and its time people started treating it like one rather than just apologizing each time something horrific happens, which now appears to be on a weekly basis.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What I don't understand is why aren't we seeing US Muslims taking a major and loud stance against this, and really, unifying globally with others in the western world. This needs to be an absolute priority, and yet, we see and hear very little of it. This truly is a war and its time people started treating it like one rather than just apologizing each time something horrific happens, which now appears to be on a weekly basis.

What American Muslims think of this: Not my circus, etc.

What you think they should be doing: Holding rallies and protests to tell ISIS to stop doing what they're doing, have American clerics denounce the actions of ISIS, welcome refugees to this country who are fleeing persecution... Oh, never mind.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:What I don't understand is why aren't we seeing US Muslims taking a major and loud stance against this, and really, unifying globally with others in the western world. This needs to be an absolute priority, and yet, we see and hear very little of it. This truly is a war and its time people started treating it like one rather than just apologizing each time something horrific happens, which now appears to be on a weekly basis.

They always take such a stance. If you remember in the aftermath of the Orlando attack, a Muslim leader participated in the very first press conference. He was roundly criticized here. I don't know why the groups are ignored or criticized when they stand against such attacks.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

Did whoever post this even bother to read it? Should moderate Christians criticize Christianity in response to the murder of abortion doctors?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I don't understand is why aren't we seeing US Muslims taking a major and loud stance against this, and really, unifying globally with others in the western world. This needs to be an absolute priority, and yet, we see and hear very little of it. This truly is a war and its time people started treating it like one rather than just apologizing each time something horrific happens, which now appears to be on a weekly basis.

What American Muslims think of this: Not my circus, etc.

What you think they should be doing: Holding rallies and protests to tell ISIS to stop doing what they're doing, have American clerics denounce the actions of ISIS, welcome refugees to this country who are fleeing persecution... Oh, never mind.

They should be creating a campaign to protect their own youth against this evil ideology. This should be a huge and public effort. It is not something to joke about and it has nothing to do with new refugees.

[Anonymous]

These attacks have nothing to do with Israel.
And nothing to do with the west being intolerant. If anything, the west is too tolerant of everything and its confusing to them. Is the ideology they're turning t tolerant or rigid and doctrinaire?
The idea that these guys give two hoots about Palestinians is risible. They've sent whole cities of arabs into refugee camps.they've burned Jordanians (who are probably the only Arab country that significantly helps Palestinians) alive in cages.
And if these attacks are being carried out by immigrants, second generation immigrants, refugees, returnees, or infiltrators and/or converts how does weaning from middle east oil help?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Of course it matters, because the cause triggers the appropriate policy and military responses.

+ 1

Oh? Like it did for Orlando and San Bernadino? What did the military do there? How about Dallas and Charleston? Any policy coming out of that? Those are also acts of terrorism.

You think policy wasn't affected by those actions? National security, foreign and domestic.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I don't understand is why aren't we seeing US Muslims taking a major and loud stance against this, and really, unifying globally with others in the western world. This needs to be an absolute priority, and yet, we see and hear very little of it. This truly is a war and its time people started treating it like one rather than just apologizing each time something horrific happens, which now appears to be on a weekly basis.

They always take such a stance. If you remember in the aftermath of the Orlando attack, a Muslim leader participated in the very first press conference. He was roundly criticized here. I don't know why the groups are ignored or criticized when they stand against such attacks.

Yes, but this needs to be a proactive and deliberately offensive effort, and not an apology for the aftermath when an attack occurs. And our government needs to push this.

[Anonymous]

I'm sad, disgusted, repulsed, fed up. There is truly evil in this world. Let's stop trying to rationalize why someone would drive a truck high speed through a crowd of families celebrating their country's Independence Day. What the f*^k is wrong with these people?

If I was a Muslim parent right now I would throw the iPhone, computer, tv, iPad, out the freaking window and make my kid wear a body camera so I could see where he was at all times. This is like a zombie war. Evil monsters are feeding on people's brains and turning them into monsters.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Did whoever post this even bother to read it? Should moderate Christians criticize Christianity in response to the murder of abortion doctors?

Because 70 abortion doctors were killed today? And fifty last week? And fifty the week before? And fifty the week before that? I'm pretty sure church leaders strongly condemn killing "thou shalt not kill". Its a commandment.