Truck kills 30 in France

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Go read the establishment clause of the US Constitution.

The sharia bit is a red herring. Stupid Newt made a ridiculous comment, and everyone is focusing on the narrow issue of sharia. Have you read Noah Feldman's opinion piece in the NY Times? He makes an excruciating argument that sharia is a beautiful thing which some have twisted and which pretty much all Muslims can't agree on what it actually means. Okay. Whatever. The bottom line is that you can call it whatever you like: sharia, Islamic law, political Islam, yabba dabba Doo. We don't care, and it doesn't matter...because that's not the real issue. The real issue is that *some* Muslim countries (or communities) do crazy things that we don't like under the auspices of religious law or custom. I'm not just talking about ISIS or Al Queda. Generally speaking, the civilized world doesn't think any middle eastern government has a model rule of law that protects basic human rights. And we recognize those governments impose laws tied to religious beliefs and cultural norms.

Now we are getting somewhere. I couldn't agree more with you that we shouldn't be discussing Sharia. It wasn't me or the posters here who share my views that introduced that into the discussion. Historically, immigrants have come to the US from countries where things were much worse. That is why they immigrated. Historically, those who were already here feared that the negative aspects of those countries would come with the immigrants. Historically, large immigrant groups faced significant prejudice and discrimination and found challenges to assimilation. In all these respects, Muslim immigrants are no different. None of us wants the negative aspects of Middle East countries -- and I would include Israel in that -- to be adopted by the US. I can't speak for everyone, but I bet most of us strongly oppose the governments of most Middle Eastern countries or accept them only as the least bad option. Focusing on those particularly aspects that we find negative is much more productive than generalizing about entire religions or people.

Ugh, i wish life were this simple. I wish people were only afraid of Muslims because they are the newest to arrive and cooked odd food, instead of being afraid because a small minority of Muslims around the globe are vowing to bring violence here and elsewhere. If only it were that easy.

How did this country win the cold war is a wonder? The threat faced by US during the cold war was MUCH bigger than the threat from muslims. These are not state actors. They dont have army,AF or navy. They are barely 1% of US population. According to FBI the bigger threat is actually from White Supremacists. BUT I GET THE DIFFERENCE NOW. White Supremacists dont threaten the whites but only Minorities and Jews. So Whites think they dont have to worry about White Racists. But being a minority, I worry about White racists killing me and my family because thats what they have done through out "Minority" history, if not US history. But You guys do realize Minorities live in the US and are part of US history right?

I can't even go on. This is just repetition from earlier posts, without my responses making any difference in your thinking.

You are wrong about what I feel and think. Sorry you don't understand. You can continue thinking there are Americans out there that are like the ones you describe above -- and I'm sure there are because it's a big country -- but not me. It's true that people interpret everything around them just to reenforce what they already think. Sad. I give up.

I didn't even know it was you. But I feel the same way you feel when you talk about the fear of 1% of the US population. I dont fear the white supremacists are a threat to the minorities today, not at all, neither are the small segment of a small 1%muslims to American citizens of whatever race.

OMG, I can't even.... I'm not going to bother repeating that I am not afraid of American Muslims -- I am afraid of radical Muslims. And yes, they are a threat today, in the U.S. What in the world do you call San Bernadino?

You are the one who doesn't get it. They are no more radical than the white supremacists. or Christian Fundamentalist like Robert Dear. So you need to be just as fearful of EVERY radical, or NOT fearful of any radical. Because every live no matter who they kill are equal and they are all american lives. So you saying you are afraid of RADICAL MUSLIMS, is indicating you are not afraid of WHITE SUPREMACISTS coz they dont kill you. But they kill other Americans, unless those americans dont matter to you.

TAKE THIS PARAGRAPH OF WHAT YOU POSTED AND WHAT i POSTED TO A REASONABLE WHITE PERSON or a minority AND THEY WILL GET WHAT i AM SAYING.

No, that's not correct -- I already posted this, but WHITE SUPREMACISTS HAVE NOT ISSUED A CALL TO ARMS. RADICAL ISLAMISTS HAVE. If white supremacists started telling their followers far and wide to ram vehicles into crowds and blow up malls, do you really think people would shrug and go back to watching TV, because they are white? ???

And BTW, i have posted on multiple posts in all caps about COPS KILLING AMERICANS. Notice I said "AMERICANS" and not blacks, because I am WHITE and yet it hurts me DEEPLY that American cops are killing black Americans. So YOU ARE DEAD WRONG!!

But I'm sure your next post will just be more of the same.....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Go read the establishment clause of the US Constitution.

The sharia bit is a red herring. Stupid Newt made a ridiculous comment, and everyone is focusing on the narrow issue of sharia. Have you read Noah Feldman's opinion piece in the NY Times? He makes an excruciating argument that sharia is a beautiful thing which some have twisted and which pretty much all Muslims can't agree on what it actually means. Okay. Whatever. The bottom line is that you can call it whatever you like: sharia, Islamic law, political Islam, yabba dabba Doo. We don't care, and it doesn't matter...because that's not the real issue. The real issue is that *some* Muslim countries (or communities) do crazy things that we don't like under the auspices of religious law or custom. I'm not just talking about ISIS or Al Queda. Generally speaking, the civilized world doesn't think any middle eastern government has a model rule of law that protects basic human rights. And we recognize those governments impose laws tied to religious beliefs and cultural norms.

Now we are getting somewhere. I couldn't agree more with you that we shouldn't be discussing Sharia. It wasn't me or the posters here who share my views that introduced that into the discussion. Historically, immigrants have come to the US from countries where things were much worse. That is why they immigrated. Historically, those who were already here feared that the negative aspects of those countries would come with the immigrants. Historically, large immigrant groups faced significant prejudice and discrimination and found challenges to assimilation. In all these respects, Muslim immigrants are no different. None of us wants the negative aspects of Middle East countries -- and I would include Israel in that -- to be adopted by the US. I can't speak for everyone, but I bet most of us strongly oppose the governments of most Middle Eastern countries or accept them only as the least bad option. Focusing on those particularly aspects that we find negative is much more productive than generalizing about entire religions or people.

Ugh, i wish life were this simple. I wish people were only afraid of Muslims because they are the newest to arrive and cooked odd food, instead of being afraid because a small minority of Muslims around the globe are vowing to bring violence here and elsewhere. If only it were that easy.

How did this country win the cold war is a wonder? The threat faced by US during the cold war was MUCH bigger than the threat from muslims. These are not state actors. They dont have army,AF or navy. They are barely 1% of US population. According to FBI the bigger threat is actually from White Supremacists. BUT I GET THE DIFFERENCE NOW. White Supremacists dont threaten the whites but only Minorities and Jews. So Whites think they dont have to worry about White Racists. But being a minority, I worry about White racists killing me and my family because thats what they have done through out "Minority" history, if not US history. But You guys do realize Minorities live in the US and are part of US history right?

I can't even go on. This is just repetition from earlier posts, without my responses making any difference in your thinking.

You are wrong about what I feel and think. Sorry you don't understand. You can continue thinking there are Americans out there that are like the ones you describe above -- and I'm sure there are because it's a big country -- but not me. It's true that people interpret everything around them just to reenforce what they already think. Sad. I give up.

I didn't even know it was you. But I feel the same way you feel when you talk about the fear of 1% of the US population. I dont fear the white supremacists are a threat to the minorities today, not at all, neither are the small segment of a small 1%muslims to American citizens of whatever race.

OMG, I can't even.... I'm not going to bother repeating that I am not afraid of American Muslims -- I am afraid of radical Muslims. And yes, they are a threat today, in the U.S. What in the world do you call San Bernadino?

You are the one who doesn't get it. They are no more radical than the white supremacists. or Christian Fundamentalist like Robert Dear. So you need to be just as fearful of EVERY radical, or NOT fearful of any radical. Because every live no matter who they kill are equal and they are all american lives. So you saying you are afraid of RADICAL MUSLIMS, is indicating you are not afraid of WHITE SUPREMACISTS coz they dont kill you. But they kill other Americans, unless those americans dont matter to you.

TAKE THIS PARAGRAPH OF WHAT YOU POSTED AND WHAT i POSTED TO A REASONABLE WHITE PERSON or a minority AND THEY WILL GET WHAT i AM SAYING.

No, that's not correct -- I already posted this, but WHITE SUPREMACISTS HAVE NOT ISSUED A CALL TO ARMS. RADICAL ISLAMISTS HAVE. If white supremacists started telling their followers far and wide to ram vehicles into crowds and blow up malls, do you really think people would shrug and go back to watching TV, because they are white? ???

And BTW, i have posted on multiple posts in all caps about COPS KILLING AMERICANS. Notice I said "AMERICANS" and not blacks, because I am WHITE and yet it hurts me DEEPLY that American cops are killing black Americans. So YOU ARE DEAD WRONG!!

But I'm sure your next post will just be more of the same.....

Oh they have. Go and read on Storm Front. Spend a day there. You will see what I am saying. Like I said, each see what they perceive as their biggest threat.

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Anonymous wrote:Absolutely agree there is no connection between Shariah and violence wreaked by radical Islamists.

It should be enough to say you are concerned about random acts of terrorism by these radicals. Fair enough. But it is a huge leap to say the real danger is that they will impose Shariah globally; it undermines any other arguments you may have.

That is one of Isis, Al Qaeda, The Taliban etc. stated goal-a caliphate governed by Shariah/submission for everyone else. Their interpretation may be extreme,, and they have combed the Koran and Hadith and Shariah for excused to commit atrocities, such as sell and rape 'infidels' and 'devil worshippers' likethe Yazidi women and girls. Many theocracies such as Iran and Saudi Arabia are governed by Shariah law which is incompatible with western values. They may seem more moderate compared to the above, but life is pretty bleak under their Shariah law for most everybody I'd say - including men who get to grow up with a distorted understanding of half of humanity. It only works out for the rich who hypocritically party off shore and on their compounds. Wherever extremsist Muslims expand to globally, like the territory they hold in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, then the imposition of Shariah law is not a danger its a reality. Try telling the Yazidi women it's a "danger". If Newt was saying people who don't like Western civil codes and values and would like to see them replaced with codes and values like these (not live and let live, but actively work to replace) - if he's saying they should exit stage right--not sure I have a problem with that.

Do you think if they say that, they can get it done in the US or China or India or Russia or Europe? ARE YOU THAT MUCH OF A CHICKEN LITTLE?Heck they cant even get it done in Turkey or Indonesia, muslim majority countries.

Um, Isis Al Qaeda and the Taliban are not in charge of any of the places you mention. But I can't believe how uninformed you are. While Indonesia doesn't have executions in soccer stadiums like the Taliban or trade slave women on phone apps like Isis (all justified by Shariah law) it does have Sharia law in Banda Aceh province which both Muslims and non Muslims are subject to. As to Turkey, it is the exception due to the strenuous efforts of Ataturk to westernize the country with secular foundations. But that is under threat from the current president, subject of yesterday's coup attempt.

Please research or think before you post.

"Aceh province implemented Islamic law in 2001, but in September the religious "penal code" was extended to everyone, now applying to some 90,000 non-Muslims who live there.

Offences not previously regulated such as adultery, homosexual acts, and sex outside marriage are now punishable with sentences handed down by Islamic courts, including public flogging. Buying or carrying alcoholic beverages could result in 10 strokes of the cane, 10 months in prison, or a maximum fine of 100 grams in gold"


http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/inpictures/2014/11/pictures-new-islamic-law-indon-2014112811847248153.html

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3579/indonesia-sharia

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/indonesian-province-turns-sharia-law-devastating-tsunami/

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Absolutely agree there is no connection between Shariah and violence wreaked by radical Islamists.

It should be enough to say you are concerned about random acts of terrorism by these radicals. Fair enough. But it is a huge leap to say the real danger is that they will impose Shariah globally; it undermines any other arguments you may have.

That is one of Isis, Al Qaeda, The Taliban etc. stated goal-a caliphate governed by Shariah/submission for everyone else. Their interpretation may be extreme,, and they have combed the Koran and Hadith and Shariah for excused to commit atrocities, such as sell and rape 'infidels' and 'devil worshippers' likethe Yazidi women and girls. Many theocracies such as Iran and Saudi Arabia are governed by Shariah law which is incompatible with western values. They may seem more moderate compared to the above, but life is pretty bleak under their Shariah law for most everybody I'd say - including men who get to grow up with a distorted understanding of half of humanity. It only works out for the rich who hypocritically party off shore and on their compounds. Wherever extremsist Muslims expand to globally, like the territory they hold in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, then the imposition of Shariah law is not a danger its a reality. Try telling the Yazidi women it's a "danger". If Newt was saying people who don't like Western civil codes and values and would like to see them replaced with codes and values like these (not live and let live, but actively work to replace) - if he's saying they should exit stage right--not sure I have a problem with that.

Do you think if they say that, they can get it done in the US or China or India or Russia or Europe? ARE YOU THAT MUCH OF A CHICKEN LITTLE?Heck they cant even get it done in Turkey or Indonesia, muslim majority countries.

No, I don't think they are going to win -- but they are going to fight. THAT is the problem. They will lose, and people will be hurt in the process. Get it?

But you feel you have the right to KEEP the massive US military in their countries for OIL or whatever reason and kill millions. BUT you dont want ANY loss to America? Thats like keeping Chinese military in TX to suck off our oil and them killing millions of Americans. But you think Americans wont fight the chinese in whatever way possible?

The governments of both Iraq and Afghanistan have both asked for our military help. Please get informed.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No, that is not the argument at all. I have no problem with how anyone else chooses to live. I have no issue with Muslims who support Sharia want to practice their faith in what ever version of Sharia that may be to them. The issue -- and I'm guessing you're only pretending not to understand it -- is with a minority of crazy Islamists who want to IMPOSE islamic law ON THE REST OF US. You can pretend they aren't there because that makes you feel threatened for your Muslim friends, but the fact is THEY ARE THERE. THEY are the issue. Not Muslims going about their business practicing their version of Sharia law. Come on, you KNOW that's the conversation. Please tell me you realize that....

If your concern is with a small minority of radicals -- who are also opposed by most other Muslims -- then I fail to understand why there is any discussion at all. Why are you worried about a small minority? What chance does that group have to influence the American Muslim community let alone the entire US? This is the height of chicken littleism. Why exactly do you fear this group and how do you believe they are going to impose Islamic law on any of us?

All one of them needs is a truck and a bunch of pedestrians...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Absolutely agree there is no connection between Shariah and violence wreaked by radical Islamists.

It should be enough to say you are concerned about random acts of terrorism by these radicals. Fair enough. But it is a huge leap to say the real danger is that they will impose Shariah globally; it undermines any other arguments you may have.

That is one of Isis, Al Qaeda, The Taliban etc. stated goal-a caliphate governed by Shariah/submission for everyone else. Their interpretation may be extreme,, and they have combed the Koran and Hadith and Shariah for excused to commit atrocities, such as sell and rape 'infidels' and 'devil worshippers' likethe Yazidi women and girls. Many theocracies such as Iran and Saudi Arabia are governed by Shariah law which is incompatible with western values. They may seem more moderate compared to the above, but life is pretty bleak under their Shariah law for most everybody I'd say - including men who get to grow up with a distorted understanding of half of humanity. It only works out for the rich who hypocritically party off shore and on their compounds. Wherever extremsist Muslims expand to globally, like the territory they hold in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, then the imposition of Shariah law is not a danger its a reality. Try telling the Yazidi women it's a "danger". If Newt was saying people who don't like Western civil codes and values and would like to see them replaced with codes and values like these (not live and let live, but actively work to replace) - if he's saying they should exit stage right--not sure I have a problem with that.

Do you think if they say that, they can get it done in the US or China or India or Russia or Europe? ARE YOU THAT MUCH OF A CHICKEN LITTLE?Heck they cant even get it done in Turkey or Indonesia, muslim majority countries.

Um, Isis Al Qaeda and the Taliban are not in charge of any of the places you mention. But I can't believe how uninformed you are. While Indonesia doesn't have executions in soccer stadiums like the Taliban or trade slave women on phone apps like Isis (all justified by Shariah law) it does have Sharia law in Banda Aceh province which both Muslims and non Muslims are subject to. As to Turkey, it is the exception due to the strenuous efforts of Ataturk to westernize the country with secular foundations. But that is under threat from the current president, subject of yesterday's coup attempt.

Please research or think before you post.

"Aceh province implemented Islamic law in 2001, but in September the religious "penal code" was extended to everyone, now applying to some 90,000 non-Muslims who live there.

Offences not previously regulated such as adultery, homosexual acts, and sex outside marriage are now punishable with sentences handed down by Islamic courts, including public flogging. Buying or carrying alcoholic beverages could result in 10 strokes of the cane, 10 months in prison, or a maximum fine of 100 grams in gold"


http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/inpictures/2014/11/pictures-new-islamic-law-indon-2014112811847248153.html

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3579/indonesia-sharia

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/indonesian-province-turns-sharia-law-devastating-tsunami/

Well are you afraid because US is a Muslim majority country like Indonesia with 1% of Muslim population. What are you worried about? That Sharia will come to the US despite the total impossibility of it happening makes you sound crazy. But if Irq or Syria has it, its not your problem as American. Just get the heck out of there.

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Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No, that is not the argument at all. I have no problem with how anyone else chooses to live. I have no issue with Muslims who support Sharia want to practice their faith in what ever version of Sharia that may be to them. The issue -- and I'm guessing you're only pretending not to understand it -- is with a minority of crazy Islamists who want to IMPOSE islamic law ON THE REST OF US. You can pretend they aren't there because that makes you feel threatened for your Muslim friends, but the fact is THEY ARE THERE. THEY are the issue. Not Muslims going about their business practicing their version of Sharia law. Come on, you KNOW that's the conversation. Please tell me you realize that....

If your concern is with a small minority of radicals -- who are also opposed by most other Muslims -- then I fail to understand why there is any discussion at all. Why are you worried about a small minority? What chance does that group have to influence the American Muslim community let alone the entire US? This is the height of chicken littleism. Why exactly do you fear this group and how do you believe they are going to impose Islamic law on any of us?

All one of them needs is a truck and a bunch of pedestrians...

So many Americans killed in mass murder can say, all one of them white guys need is a GUN and a bunch of people. Becasue this side of the atlantic FBI says white guys have committed more mass murders than any in the past decade.

There are more guns than Trucks in America. So dont worry about trucks here, when you have guns. The French are not that fortunate, they dont have as many guns hence the need for a truck.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Absolutely agree there is no connection between Shariah and violence wreaked by radical Islamists.

It should be enough to say you are concerned about random acts of terrorism by these radicals. Fair enough. But it is a huge leap to say the real danger is that they will impose Shariah globally; it undermines any other arguments you may have.

That is one of Isis, Al Qaeda, The Taliban etc. stated goal-a caliphate governed by Shariah/submission for everyone else. Their interpretation may be extreme,, and they have combed the Koran and Hadith and Shariah for excused to commit atrocities, such as sell and rape 'infidels' and 'devil worshippers' likethe Yazidi women and girls. Many theocracies such as Iran and Saudi Arabia are governed by Shariah law which is incompatible with western values. They may seem more moderate compared to the above, but life is pretty bleak under their Shariah law for most everybody I'd say - including men who get to grow up with a distorted understanding of half of humanity. It only works out for the rich who hypocritically party off shore and on their compounds. Wherever extremsist Muslims expand to globally, like the territory they hold in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, then the imposition of Shariah law is not a danger its a reality. Try telling the Yazidi women it's a "danger". If Newt was saying people who don't like Western civil codes and values and would like to see them replaced with codes and values like these (not live and let live, but actively work to replace) - if he's saying they should exit stage right--not sure I have a problem with that.

Do you think if they say that, they can get it done in the US or China or India or Russia or Europe? ARE YOU THAT MUCH OF A CHICKEN LITTLE?Heck they cant even get it done in Turkey or Indonesia, muslim majority countries.

No, I don't think they are going to win -- but they are going to fight. THAT is the problem. They will lose, and people will be hurt in the process. Get it?

But you feel you have the right to KEEP the massive US military in their countries for OIL or whatever reason and kill millions. BUT you dont want ANY loss to America? Thats like keeping Chinese military in TX to suck off our oil and them killing millions of Americans. But you think Americans wont fight the chinese in whatever way possible?

The governments of both Iraq and Afghanistan have both asked for our military help. Please get informed.

Yeah Saddam asked for American help. Syria asked for American help. Libya asked for American help. UAE asked for American help. Saudi asked for American help. Bahrain asked for American help. Qatar asked for American help.

So are you saying once they dont want American help US military will pack and leave? But that hasnt happened in 40 years in the middle east. maybe they all want American help to kill their citizens in millions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Go read the establishment clause of the US Constitution.

The sharia bit is a red herring. Stupid Newt made a ridiculous comment, and everyone is focusing on the narrow issue of sharia. Have you read Noah Feldman's opinion piece in the NY Times? He makes an excruciating argument that sharia is a beautiful thing which some have twisted and which pretty much all Muslims can't agree on what it actually means. Okay. Whatever. The bottom line is that you can call it whatever you like: sharia, Islamic law, political Islam, yabba dabba Doo. We don't care, and it doesn't matter...because that's not the real issue. The real issue is that *some* Muslim countries (or communities) do crazy things that we don't like under the auspices of religious law or custom. I'm not just talking about ISIS or Al Queda. Generally speaking, the civilized world doesn't think any middle eastern government has a model rule of law that protects basic human rights. And we recognize those governments impose laws tied to religious beliefs and cultural norms.

Now we are getting somewhere. I couldn't agree more with you that we shouldn't be discussing Sharia. It wasn't me or the posters here who share my views that introduced that into the discussion. Historically, immigrants have come to the US from countries where things were much worse. That is why they immigrated. Historically, those who were already here feared that the negative aspects of those countries would come with the immigrants. Historically, large immigrant groups faced significant prejudice and discrimination and found challenges to assimilation. In all these respects, Muslim immigrants are no different. None of us wants the negative aspects of Middle East countries -- and I would include Israel in that -- to be adopted by the US. I can't speak for everyone, but I bet most of us strongly oppose the governments of most Middle Eastern countries or accept them only as the least bad option. Focusing on those particularly aspects that we find negative is much more productive than generalizing about entire religions or people.

Ugh, i wish life were this simple. I wish people were only afraid of Muslims because they are the newest to arrive and cooked odd food, instead of being afraid because a small minority of Muslims around the globe are vowing to bring violence here and elsewhere. If only it were that easy.

How did this country win the cold war is a wonder? The threat faced by US during the cold war was MUCH bigger than the threat from muslims. These are not state actors. They dont have army,AF or navy. They are barely 1% of US population. According to FBI the bigger threat is actually from White Supremacists. BUT I GET THE DIFFERENCE NOW. White Supremacists dont threaten the whites but only Minorities and Jews. So Whites think they dont have to worry about White Racists. But being a minority, I worry about White racists killing me and my family because thats what they have done through out "Minority" history, if not US history. But You guys do realize Minorities live in the US and are part of US history right?

I can't even go on. This is just repetition from earlier posts, without my responses making any difference in your thinking.

You are wrong about what I feel and think. Sorry you don't understand. You can continue thinking there are Americans out there that are like the ones you describe above -- and I'm sure there are because it's a big country -- but not me. It's true that people interpret everything around them just to reenforce what they already think. Sad. I give up.

I didn't even know it was you. But I feel the same way you feel when you talk about the fear of 1% of the US population. I dont fear the white supremacists are a threat to the minorities today, not at all, neither are the small segment of a small 1%muslims to American citizens of whatever race.

And yet, there was an ISIS sympathizer arrested in Burke just last week. And let's not forget the accounts from folks here who have called in odd behavior (photographing and documenting man hole covers, filming streets, flight paths, etc.).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Go read the establishment clause of the US Constitution.

The sharia bit is a red herring. Stupid Newt made a ridiculous comment, and everyone is focusing on the narrow issue of sharia. Have you read Noah Feldman's opinion piece in the NY Times? He makes an excruciating argument that sharia is a beautiful thing which some have twisted and which pretty much all Muslims can't agree on what it actually means. Okay. Whatever. The bottom line is that you can call it whatever you like: sharia, Islamic law, political Islam, yabba dabba Doo. We don't care, and it doesn't matter...because that's not the real issue. The real issue is that *some* Muslim countries (or communities) do crazy things that we don't like under the auspices of religious law or custom. I'm not just talking about ISIS or Al Queda. Generally speaking, the civilized world doesn't think any middle eastern government has a model rule of law that protects basic human rights. And we recognize those governments impose laws tied to religious beliefs and cultural norms.

Now we are getting somewhere. I couldn't agree more with you that we shouldn't be discussing Sharia. It wasn't me or the posters here who share my views that introduced that into the discussion. Historically, immigrants have come to the US from countries where things were much worse. That is why they immigrated. Historically, those who were already here feared that the negative aspects of those countries would come with the immigrants. Historically, large immigrant groups faced significant prejudice and discrimination and found challenges to assimilation. In all these respects, Muslim immigrants are no different. None of us wants the negative aspects of Middle East countries -- and I would include Israel in that -- to be adopted by the US. I can't speak for everyone, but I bet most of us strongly oppose the governments of most Middle Eastern countries or accept them only as the least bad option. Focusing on those particularly aspects that we find negative is much more productive than generalizing about entire religions or people.

Ugh, i wish life were this simple. I wish people were only afraid of Muslims because they are the newest to arrive and cooked odd food, instead of being afraid because a small minority of Muslims around the globe are vowing to bring violence here and elsewhere. If only it were that easy.

How did this country win the cold war is a wonder? The threat faced by US during the cold war was MUCH bigger than the threat from muslims. These are not state actors. They dont have army,AF or navy. They are barely 1% of US population. According to FBI the bigger threat is actually from White Supremacists. BUT I GET THE DIFFERENCE NOW. White Supremacists dont threaten the whites but only Minorities and Jews. So Whites think they dont have to worry about White Racists. But being a minority, I worry about White racists killing me and my family because thats what they have done through out "Minority" history, if not US history. But You guys do realize Minorities live in the US and are part of US history right?

I can't even go on. This is just repetition from earlier posts, without my responses making any difference in your thinking.

You are wrong about what I feel and think. Sorry you don't understand. You can continue thinking there are Americans out there that are like the ones you describe above -- and I'm sure there are because it's a big country -- but not me. It's true that people interpret everything around them just to reenforce what they already think. Sad. I give up.

I didn't even know it was you. But I feel the same way you feel when you talk about the fear of 1% of the US population. I dont fear the white supremacists are a threat to the minorities today, not at all, neither are the small segment of a small 1%muslims to American citizens of whatever race.

And yet, there was an ISIS sympathizer arrested in Burke just last week. And let's not forget the accounts from folks here who have called in odd behavior (photographing and documenting man hole covers, filming streets, flight paths, etc.).

We can go back and forth, for every ISIS sympathizer I can give 10 white racist sympathizers arrested at various times. The point being, muslims are no more a threat than white supremacists to this country.

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Go read the establishment clause of the US Constitution.

The sharia bit is a red herring. Stupid Newt made a ridiculous comment, and everyone is focusing on the narrow issue of sharia. Have you read Noah Feldman's opinion piece in the NY Times? He makes an excruciating argument that sharia is a beautiful thing which some have twisted and which pretty much all Muslims can't agree on what it actually means. Okay. Whatever. The bottom line is that you can call it whatever you like: sharia, Islamic law, political Islam, yabba dabba Doo. We don't care, and it doesn't matter...because that's not the real issue. The real issue is that *some* Muslim countries (or communities) do crazy things that we don't like under the auspices of religious law or custom. I'm not just talking about ISIS or Al Queda. Generally speaking, the civilized world doesn't think any middle eastern government has a model rule of law that protects basic human rights. And we recognize those governments impose laws tied to religious beliefs and cultural norms.

Now we are getting somewhere. I couldn't agree more with you that we shouldn't be discussing Sharia. It wasn't me or the posters here who share my views that introduced that into the discussion. Historically, immigrants have come to the US from countries where things were much worse. That is why they immigrated. Historically, those who were already here feared that the negative aspects of those countries would come with the immigrants. Historically, large immigrant groups faced significant prejudice and discrimination and found challenges to assimilation. In all these respects, Muslim immigrants are no different. None of us wants the negative aspects of Middle East countries -- and I would include Israel in that -- to be adopted by the US. I can't speak for everyone, but I bet most of us strongly oppose the governments of most Middle Eastern countries or accept them only as the least bad option. Focusing on those particularly aspects that we find negative is much more productive than generalizing about entire religions or people.

Ugh, i wish life were this simple. I wish people were only afraid of Muslims because they are the newest to arrive and cooked odd food, instead of being afraid because a small minority of Muslims around the globe are vowing to bring violence here and elsewhere. If only it were that easy.

How did this country win the cold war is a wonder? The threat faced by US during the cold war was MUCH bigger than the threat from muslims. These are not state actors. They dont have army,AF or navy. They are barely 1% of US population. According to FBI the bigger threat is actually from White Supremacists. BUT I GET THE DIFFERENCE NOW. White Supremacists dont threaten the whites but only Minorities and Jews. So Whites think they dont have to worry about White Racists. But being a minority, I worry about White racists killing me and my family because thats what they have done through out "Minority" history, if not US history. But You guys do realize Minorities live in the US and are part of US history right?

I can't even go on. This is just repetition from earlier posts, without my responses making any difference in your thinking.

You are wrong about what I feel and think. Sorry you don't understand. You can continue thinking there are Americans out there that are like the ones you describe above -- and I'm sure there are because it's a big country -- but not me. It's true that people interpret everything around them just to reenforce what they already think. Sad. I give up.

I didn't even know it was you. But I feel the same way you feel when you talk about the fear of 1% of the US population. I dont fear the white supremacists are a threat to the minorities today, not at all, neither are the small segment of a small 1%muslims to American citizens of whatever race.

And yet, there was an ISIS sympathizer arrested in Burke just last week. And let's not forget the accounts from folks here who have called in odd behavior (photographing and documenting man hole covers, filming streets, flight paths, etc.).

We can go back and forth, for every ISIS sympathizer I can give 10 white racist sympathizers arrested at various times. The point being, muslims are no more a threat than white supremacists to this country.

Thank you. Please provide ten examples and explain what they were plotting in detail. Arrested in the same time period. Thanks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Go read the establishment clause of the US Constitution.

The sharia bit is a red herring. Stupid Newt made a ridiculous comment, and everyone is focusing on the narrow issue of sharia. Have you read Noah Feldman's opinion piece in the NY Times? He makes an excruciating argument that sharia is a beautiful thing which some have twisted and which pretty much all Muslims can't agree on what it actually means. Okay. Whatever. The bottom line is that you can call it whatever you like: sharia, Islamic law, political Islam, yabba dabba Doo. We don't care, and it doesn't matter...because that's not the real issue. The real issue is that *some* Muslim countries (or communities) do crazy things that we don't like under the auspices of religious law or custom. I'm not just talking about ISIS or Al Queda. Generally speaking, the civilized world doesn't think any middle eastern government has a model rule of law that protects basic human rights. And we recognize those governments impose laws tied to religious beliefs and cultural norms.

Now we are getting somewhere. I couldn't agree more with you that we shouldn't be discussing Sharia. It wasn't me or the posters here who share my views that introduced that into the discussion. Historically, immigrants have come to the US from countries where things were much worse. That is why they immigrated. Historically, those who were already here feared that the negative aspects of those countries would come with the immigrants. Historically, large immigrant groups faced significant prejudice and discrimination and found challenges to assimilation. In all these respects, Muslim immigrants are no different. None of us wants the negative aspects of Middle East countries -- and I would include Israel in that -- to be adopted by the US. I can't speak for everyone, but I bet most of us strongly oppose the governments of most Middle Eastern countries or accept them only as the least bad option. Focusing on those particularly aspects that we find negative is much more productive than generalizing about entire religions or people.

Ugh, i wish life were this simple. I wish people were only afraid of Muslims because they are the newest to arrive and cooked odd food, instead of being afraid because a small minority of Muslims around the globe are vowing to bring violence here and elsewhere. If only it were that easy.

How did this country win the cold war is a wonder? The threat faced by US during the cold war was MUCH bigger than the threat from muslims. These are not state actors. They dont have army,AF or navy. They are barely 1% of US population. According to FBI the bigger threat is actually from White Supremacists. BUT I GET THE DIFFERENCE NOW. White Supremacists dont threaten the whites but only Minorities and Jews. So Whites think they dont have to worry about White Racists. But being a minority, I worry about White racists killing me and my family because thats what they have done through out "Minority" history, if not US history. But You guys do realize Minorities live in the US and are part of US history right?

I can't even go on. This is just repetition from earlier posts, without my responses making any difference in your thinking.

You are wrong about what I feel and think. Sorry you don't understand. You can continue thinking there are Americans out there that are like the ones you describe above -- and I'm sure there are because it's a big country -- but not me. It's true that people interpret everything around them just to reenforce what they already think. Sad. I give up.

I didn't even know it was you. But I feel the same way you feel when you talk about the fear of 1% of the US population. I dont fear the white supremacists are a threat to the minorities today, not at all, neither are the small segment of a small 1%muslims to American citizens of whatever race.

And yet, there was an ISIS sympathizer arrested in Burke just last week. And let's not forget the accounts from folks here who have called in odd behavior (photographing and documenting man hole covers, filming streets, flight paths, etc.).

We can go back and forth, for every ISIS sympathizer I can give 10 white racist sympathizers arrested at various times. The point being, muslims are no more a threat than white supremacists to this country.

Thank you. Please provide ten examples and explain what they were plotting in detail. Arrested in the same time period. Thanks.

The following white supremacists have been arrested in the past 1.5 years alone from a 2 minute google search. White Supremacists are regularly arrested for so many crimes against minorities. You have to be a minority to know what goes on in this country daily that whites dont care about due to their white privilege.

Check the SPLC news to find out how many Racist hate crimes are committed on a daily basis.

https://www.splcenter.org/news
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch

Check the FBI report about hate crime on blacks on Jews in 2014:
https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2014/topic-pages/victims_final

2015/16 alone:
http://newsone.com/3249096/white-supremacists-arrested-by-fbi-after-planning-to-bomb-black-churches/

http://www.app.com/story/news/local/public-safety/2016/05/16/lacey-cops-possible-white-supremacist-felon-arrested-ak-47/84433628/

http://www.phillyvoice.com/suspected-white-supremacist-arrested-after-stockpile-guns-and-ammo-found-south-jersey-woods/

http://www.phillyvoice.com/suspected-white-supremacist-arrested-after-stockpile-guns-and-ammo-found-south-jersey-woods/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Go read the establishment clause of the US Constitution.

The sharia bit is a red herring. Stupid Newt made a ridiculous comment, and everyone is focusing on the narrow issue of sharia. Have you read Noah Feldman's opinion piece in the NY Times? He makes an excruciating argument that sharia is a beautiful thing which some have twisted and which pretty much all Muslims can't agree on what it actually means. Okay. Whatever. The bottom line is that you can call it whatever you like: sharia, Islamic law, political Islam, yabba dabba Doo. We don't care, and it doesn't matter...because that's not the real issue. The real issue is that *some* Muslim countries (or communities) do crazy things that we don't like under the auspices of religious law or custom. I'm not just talking about ISIS or Al Queda. Generally speaking, the civilized world doesn't think any middle eastern government has a model rule of law that protects basic human rights. And we recognize those governments impose laws tied to religious beliefs and cultural norms.

Now we are getting somewhere. I couldn't agree more with you that we shouldn't be discussing Sharia. It wasn't me or the posters here who share my views that introduced that into the discussion. Historically, immigrants have come to the US from countries where things were much worse. That is why they immigrated. Historically, those who were already here feared that the negative aspects of those countries would come with the immigrants. Historically, large immigrant groups faced significant prejudice and discrimination and found challenges to assimilation. In all these respects, Muslim immigrants are no different. None of us wants the negative aspects of Middle East countries -- and I would include Israel in that -- to be adopted by the US. I can't speak for everyone, but I bet most of us strongly oppose the governments of most Middle Eastern countries or accept them only as the least bad option. Focusing on those particularly aspects that we find negative is much more productive than generalizing about entire religions or people.

Ugh, i wish life were this simple. I wish people were only afraid of Muslims because they are the newest to arrive and cooked odd food, instead of being afraid because a small minority of Muslims around the globe are vowing to bring violence here and elsewhere. If only it were that easy.

How did this country win the cold war is a wonder? The threat faced by US during the cold war was MUCH bigger than the threat from muslims. These are not state actors. They dont have army,AF or navy. They are barely 1% of US population. According to FBI the bigger threat is actually from White Supremacists. BUT I GET THE DIFFERENCE NOW. White Supremacists dont threaten the whites but only Minorities and Jews. So Whites think they dont have to worry about White Racists. But being a minority, I worry about White racists killing me and my family because thats what they have done through out "Minority" history, if not US history. But You guys do realize Minorities live in the US and are part of US history right?

I can't even go on. This is just repetition from earlier posts, without my responses making any difference in your thinking.

You are wrong about what I feel and think. Sorry you don't understand. You can continue thinking there are Americans out there that are like the ones you describe above -- and I'm sure there are because it's a big country -- but not me. It's true that people interpret everything around them just to reenforce what they already think. Sad. I give up.

I didn't even know it was you. But I feel the same way you feel when you talk about the fear of 1% of the US population. I dont fear the white supremacists are a threat to the minorities today, not at all, neither are the small segment of a small 1%muslims to American citizens of whatever race.

And yet, there was an ISIS sympathizer arrested in Burke just last week. And let's not forget the accounts from folks here who have called in odd behavior (photographing and documenting man hole covers, filming streets, flight paths, etc.).

We can go back and forth, for every ISIS sympathizer I can give 10 white racist sympathizers arrested at various times. The point being, muslims are no more a threat than white supremacists to this country.

Thank you. Please provide ten examples and explain what they were plotting in detail. Arrested in the same time period. Thanks.

The following white supremacists have been arrested in the past 1.5 years alone from a 2 minute google search. White Supremacists are regularly arrested for so many crimes against minorities. You have to be a minority to know what goes on in this country daily that whites dont care about due to their white privilege.

Check the SPLC news to find out how many Racist hate crimes are committed on a daily basis.

https://www.splcenter.org/news
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch

Check the FBI report about hate crime on blacks on Jews in 2014:
https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2014/topic-pages/victims_final

2015/16 alone:
http://newsone.com/3249096/white-supremacists-arrested-by-fbi-after-planning-to-bomb-black-churches/

http://www.app.com/story/news/local/public-safety/2016/05/16/lacey-cops-possible-white-supremacist-felon-arrested-ak-47/84433628/

http://www.phillyvoice.com/suspected-white-supremacist-arrested-after-stockpile-guns-and-ammo-found-south-jersey-woods/

http://www.phillyvoice.com/suspected-white-supremacist-arrested-after-stockpile-guns-and-ammo-found-south-jersey-woods/

^^ meant to say blacks AND jews.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Go read the establishment clause of the US Constitution.

The sharia bit is a red herring. Stupid Newt made a ridiculous comment, and everyone is focusing on the narrow issue of sharia. Have you read Noah Feldman's opinion piece in the NY Times? He makes an excruciating argument that sharia is a beautiful thing which some have twisted and which pretty much all Muslims can't agree on what it actually means. Okay. Whatever. The bottom line is that you can call it whatever you like: sharia, Islamic law, political Islam, yabba dabba Doo. We don't care, and it doesn't matter...because that's not the real issue. The real issue is that *some* Muslim countries (or communities) do crazy things that we don't like under the auspices of religious law or custom. I'm not just talking about ISIS or Al Queda. Generally speaking, the civilized world doesn't think any middle eastern government has a model rule of law that protects basic human rights. And we recognize those governments impose laws tied to religious beliefs and cultural norms.

Now we are getting somewhere. I couldn't agree more with you that we shouldn't be discussing Sharia. It wasn't me or the posters here who share my views that introduced that into the discussion. Historically, immigrants have come to the US from countries where things were much worse. That is why they immigrated. Historically, those who were already here feared that the negative aspects of those countries would come with the immigrants. Historically, large immigrant groups faced significant prejudice and discrimination and found challenges to assimilation. In all these respects, Muslim immigrants are no different. None of us wants the negative aspects of Middle East countries -- and I would include Israel in that -- to be adopted by the US. I can't speak for everyone, but I bet most of us strongly oppose the governments of most Middle Eastern countries or accept them only as the least bad option. Focusing on those particularly aspects that we find negative is much more productive than generalizing about entire religions or people.

Ugh, i wish life were this simple. I wish people were only afraid of Muslims because they are the newest to arrive and cooked odd food, instead of being afraid because a small minority of Muslims around the globe are vowing to bring violence here and elsewhere. If only it were that easy.

How did this country win the cold war is a wonder? The threat faced by US during the cold war was MUCH bigger than the threat from muslims. These are not state actors. They dont have army,AF or navy. They are barely 1% of US population. According to FBI the bigger threat is actually from White Supremacists. BUT I GET THE DIFFERENCE NOW. White Supremacists dont threaten the whites but only Minorities and Jews. So Whites think they dont have to worry about White Racists. But being a minority, I worry about White racists killing me and my family because thats what they have done through out "Minority" history, if not US history. But You guys do realize Minorities live in the US and are part of US history right?

I can't even go on. This is just repetition from earlier posts, without my responses making any difference in your thinking.

You are wrong about what I feel and think. Sorry you don't understand. You can continue thinking there are Americans out there that are like the ones you describe above -- and I'm sure there are because it's a big country -- but not me. It's true that people interpret everything around them just to reenforce what they already think. Sad. I give up.

I didn't even know it was you. But I feel the same way you feel when you talk about the fear of 1% of the US population. I dont fear the white supremacists are a threat to the minorities today, not at all, neither are the small segment of a small 1%muslims to American citizens of whatever race.

And yet, there was an ISIS sympathizer arrested in Burke just last week. And let's not forget the accounts from folks here who have called in odd behavior (photographing and documenting man hole covers, filming streets, flight paths, etc.).

We can go back and forth, for every ISIS sympathizer I can give 10 white racist sympathizers arrested at various times. The point being, muslims are no more a threat than white supremacists to this country.

Thank you. Please provide ten examples and explain what they were plotting in detail. Arrested in the same time period. Thanks.

The following white supremacists have been arrested in the past 1.5 years alone from a 2 minute google search. White Supremacists are regularly arrested for so many crimes against minorities. You have to be a minority to know what goes on in this country daily that whites dont care about due to their white privilege.

Check the SPLC news to find out how many Racist hate crimes are committed on a daily basis.

https://www.splcenter.org/news
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch

Check the FBI report about hate crime on blacks on Jews in 2014:
https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2014/topic-pages/victims_final

2015/16 alone:
http://newsone.com/3249096/white-supremacists-arrested-by-fbi-after-planning-to-bomb-black-churches/

http://www.app.com/story/news/local/public-safety/2016/05/16/lacey-cops-possible-white-supremacist-felon-arrested-ak-47/84433628/

http://www.phillyvoice.com/suspected-white-supremacist-arrested-after-stockpile-guns-and-ammo-found-south-jersey-woods/

http://www.phillyvoice.com/suspected-white-supremacist-arrested-after-stockpile-guns-and-ammo-found-south-jersey-woods/

Your first two links did not list white supremacist hate crimes anywhere I could find. Your third one listed one foiled plot--sounds like the FBI did a good job. Your last two said nothing about planned hate crimes. In a country with 190 million whites - what you've turned up actually seems really low.

Since the Muslim population in America is so low, I wonder how the rate of these crimes / attempted crimes of Muslim extremists (homegrown, converts, whatever) compares?
Let's also compare the scale of the attacks or planned attacks. Actually, why don't you do it since you are offering proof.

A word about white supremacists-- if they professed a supremacist plan to do evil to anyone American of any color who wasn't of the same mentality -as in almost everybody--you can bet in a heartbeat they would be dimed out to the authorities, if they weren't already being watched

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2013/07/60-terrorist-plots-since-911-continued-lessons-in-domestic-counterterrorism

http://dailysignal.com/2016/01/13/2015-had-the-most-terror-plots-in-the-us-since-911/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Go read the establishment clause of the US Constitution.

The sharia bit is a red herring. Stupid Newt made a ridiculous comment, and everyone is focusing on the narrow issue of sharia. Have you read Noah Feldman's opinion piece in the NY Times? He makes an excruciating argument that sharia is a beautiful thing which some have twisted and which pretty much all Muslims can't agree on what it actually means. Okay. Whatever. The bottom line is that you can call it whatever you like: sharia, Islamic law, political Islam, yabba dabba Doo. We don't care, and it doesn't matter...because that's not the real issue. The real issue is that *some* Muslim countries (or communities) do crazy things that we don't like under the auspices of religious law or custom. I'm not just talking about ISIS or Al Queda. Generally speaking, the civilized world doesn't think any middle eastern government has a model rule of law that protects basic human rights. And we recognize those governments impose laws tied to religious beliefs and cultural norms.

Now we are getting somewhere. I couldn't agree more with you that we shouldn't be discussing Sharia. It wasn't me or the posters here who share my views that introduced that into the discussion. Historically, immigrants have come to the US from countries where things were much worse. That is why they immigrated. Historically, those who were already here feared that the negative aspects of those countries would come with the immigrants. Historically, large immigrant groups faced significant prejudice and discrimination and found challenges to assimilation. In all these respects, Muslim immigrants are no different. None of us wants the negative aspects of Middle East countries -- and I would include Israel in that -- to be adopted by the US. I can't speak for everyone, but I bet most of us strongly oppose the governments of most Middle Eastern countries or accept them only as the least bad option. Focusing on those particularly aspects that we find negative is much more productive than generalizing about entire religions or people.

Ugh, i wish life were this simple. I wish people were only afraid of Muslims because they are the newest to arrive and cooked odd food, instead of being afraid because a small minority of Muslims around the globe are vowing to bring violence here and elsewhere. If only it were that easy.

How did this country win the cold war is a wonder? The threat faced by US during the cold war was MUCH bigger than the threat from muslims. These are not state actors. They dont have army,AF or navy. They are barely 1% of US population. According to FBI the bigger threat is actually from White Supremacists. BUT I GET THE DIFFERENCE NOW. White Supremacists dont threaten the whites but only Minorities and Jews. So Whites think they dont have to worry about White Racists. But being a minority, I worry about White racists killing me and my family because thats what they have done through out "Minority" history, if not US history. But You guys do realize Minorities live in the US and are part of US history right?

I can't even go on. This is just repetition from earlier posts, without my responses making any difference in your thinking.

You are wrong about what I feel and think. Sorry you don't understand. You can continue thinking there are Americans out there that are like the ones you describe above -- and I'm sure there are because it's a big country -- but not me. It's true that people interpret everything around them just to reenforce what they already think. Sad. I give up.

I didn't even know it was you. But I feel the same way you feel when you talk about the fear of 1% of the US population. I dont fear the white supremacists are a threat to the minorities today, not at all, neither are the small segment of a small 1%muslims to American citizens of whatever race.

And yet, there was an ISIS sympathizer arrested in Burke just last week. And let's not forget the accounts from folks here who have called in odd behavior (photographing and documenting man hole covers, filming streets, flight paths, etc.).

We can go back and forth, for every ISIS sympathizer I can give 10 white racist sympathizers arrested at various times. The point being, muslims are no more a threat than white supremacists to this country.

Thank you. Please provide ten examples and explain what they were plotting in detail. Arrested in the same time period. Thanks.

The following white supremacists have been arrested in the past 1.5 years alone from a 2 minute google search. White Supremacists are regularly arrested for so many crimes against minorities. You have to be a minority to know what goes on in this country daily that whites dont care about due to their white privilege.

Check the SPLC news to find out how many Racist hate crimes are committed on a daily basis.

https://www.splcenter.org/news
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch

Check the FBI report about hate crime on blacks on Jews in 2014:
https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2014/topic-pages/victims_final

2015/16 alone:
http://newsone.com/3249096/white-supremacists-arrested-by-fbi-after-planning-to-bomb-black-churches/

http://www.app.com/story/news/local/public-safety/2016/05/16/lacey-cops-possible-white-supremacist-felon-arrested-ak-47/84433628/

http://www.phillyvoice.com/suspected-white-supremacist-arrested-after-stockpile-guns-and-ammo-found-south-jersey-woods/

http://www.phillyvoice.com/suspected-white-supremacist-arrested-after-stockpile-guns-and-ammo-found-south-jersey-woods/

Your first two links did not list white supremacist hate crimes anywhere I could find. Your third one listed one foiled plot--sounds like the FBI did a good job. Your last two said nothing about planned hate crimes. In a country with 190 million whites - what you've turned up actually seems really low.

Since the Muslim population in America is so low, I wonder how the rate of these crimes / attempted crimes of Muslim extremists (homegrown, converts, whatever) compares?
Let's also compare the scale of the attacks or planned attacks. Actually, why don't you do it since you are offering proof.

A word about white supremacists-- if they professed a supremacist plan to do evil to anyone American of any color who wasn't of the same mentality -as in almost everybody--you can bet in a heartbeat they would be dimed out to the authorities, if they weren't already being watched

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2013/07/60-terrorist-plots-since-911-continued-lessons-in-domestic-counterterrorism

http://dailysignal.com/2016/01/13/2015-had-the-most-terror-plots-in-the-us-since-911/

SPLC link gives pages and pages of news about white hate crime on minorities and jews. You just didn't bother to read.

Look at the hate map here
https://www.splcenter.org/hate-map