is anyone more pro-life since becoming a parent?

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And you, apparently, cannot read. OP specifically said she would not want her poor baby teen to have to endure the horrors of an unwanted pregnancy, since she is still a "child" herself. But crazy as your point of view is, I suppose you think it's fine for "children" in this situation to be having sex and abortions. I mean, why not. Planned Parenthood is making big $$$ off of the body parts.

Begone, nutter. You may have your own opinions, no matter how flawed your logic, but you may not have your own facts.

Well, apparently even PP agrees with me, because they have admitted to this and are now saying they will not take payments for fetal tissue. These satanists under exposure of course; they had to be forced to take even this step. (You may not have heard that yet, from the cave you dwell in.)

Nutter, that's cute. You've reminded me it's almost time for lunch and I think I'll have some peanut butter.

No, they don't, no, they haven't and the only payments they take are to recover the labor of the people who prep the tissue samples. I guess you can try to give a link that proves your claim, but it's either going to come from whatever Operation Rescue is calling themselves or a link to the videos from CMP... which is the same thing as no link at all. So I repeat, "Begone, nutter. You may have your own opinions, no matter how flawed your logic, but you may not have your own facts." Hope your lunch was good!

This (tired, insipid) line applies to your and yours as well. Which of course means nothing to the monsters at PP, who are benefiting from the baby part dollars.

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Anonymous wrote:Actually I've become even more pro choice since becoming pregnant. It wasn't until I understood when testing could take place and how that corresponded with so-called "late term abortion" that I got it. You only potentially find out about things at 20 weeks, may need to get an amnio to confirm, and by then you're pushing the 23 week deadline.

What is CVS for $20, Alex..

CVS can be done early in pregnancy (earlier than amniocentesis), and results are usually obtained within 10 days. Getting this kind of information early allows a woman to make choices in the beginning stage of her pregnancy. If a woman chooses to terminate the pregnancy after receiving abnormal test results, the termination will be safer than if she waits until later for amniocentesis results.

CVS is not always covered by insurance, particularly in women under 35. So those women need to do the 13 week test and see a potential abnormality in order for CVS to be covered by insurance. This takes us back to the matter of pushing the timeline.

Moreover, none of the diagnostic tests like CVS or amnio are done routinely, unless an abnormality is spotted. Abnormalities are not spotted until the 20 week ultrasound. So, again, my original point, which I made a loooong time ago, stands.

I have a child with SN and while I love him so, and will fight for him to get the services he needs and hopefully to attain a life he enjoys, parenting has made me even more pro choice. I do not know what my son's life would look like in the hands of someone without the resources or the will to fight for him.

CVS is routinely done with older mothers, which is how DCUM skews.

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Anonymous wrote:Actually I've become even more pro choice since becoming pregnant. It wasn't until I understood when testing could take place and how that corresponded with so-called "late term abortion" that I got it. You only potentially find out about things at 20 weeks, may need to get an amnio to confirm, and by then you're pushing the 23 week deadline.

What is CVS for $20, Alex..

CVS can be done early in pregnancy (earlier than amniocentesis), and results are usually obtained within 10 days. Getting this kind of information early allows a woman to make choices in the beginning stage of her pregnancy. If a woman chooses to terminate the pregnancy after receiving abnormal test results, the termination will be safer than if she waits until later for amniocentesis results.

CVS is not always covered by insurance, particularly in women under 35. So those women need to do the 13 week test and see a potential abnormality in order for CVS to be covered by insurance. This takes us back to the matter of pushing the timeline.

Moreover, none of the diagnostic tests like CVS or amnio are done routinely, unless an abnormality is spotted. Abnormalities are not spotted until the 20 week ultrasound. So, again, my original point, which I made a loooong time ago, stands.

I have a child with SN and while I love him so, and will fight for him to get the services he needs and hopefully to attain a life he enjoys, parenting has made me even more pro choice. I do not know what my son's life would look like in the hands of someone without the resources or the will to fight for him.

CVS is routinely done with older mothers, which is how DCUM skews.

Uh, okay? So what? It is not done for the vast bulk of the population, so how does that impact the late term abortion issue?

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Anonymous wrote:I have turned pro-life. Everyone has dignity that is distinctly theirs, including an unborn human. As mothers, it is our duty to help maintain this dignity. It is not our choice to allow this dignity or not. I am for responsibility. Take charge of your body and choices and don't procreate if you don't have the means to take care of it.

Can you expand on this? Because this is basically meaningless word salad.

Can you further elaborate on why you do think abortion is not taking "responsibility" once someone has determined that they don't have the means to care for a child?

Word salad? Sure, whatever makes you feel better.

Definition: Dignity 1.the state or quality of being worthy of honor or respect

Why would your incoherency make me feel better? This sentence: "Everyone has dignity that is distinctly theirs." is not an argument. It doesn't even make sense, let alone mean anything. So a morula has "the quality of being worthy of honor or respect," more so than a woman with 26 years in the rear view? Because anti-choicers who vote anti-choice, to a tee, think wimmen are just too gosh darn stupid and fickle to be trusted with this decision. Or murderous sluts with blood lust. Or confused by the Feminazi propaganda that says wimmen don't just have to have kids and stay home with them.

But toss that word salad! Main ingredient? Bitter leaves of internalized misogyny.

So let me get this straight, because I think an unborn child has dignity I am incoherent, misogynistic, and think women are stupid, slutty, and need to be repressed. So far from the truth its laughable. But we all know arguing on the internet gets you no where so I won't even bother typing the truth, you go ahead and keep thinking that so you can put "pro-lifers" in that box and put yourself on your moral pedestal.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm more pro-choice than ever. Labor and delivery is dangerous, even in a 1st world, modern hospital with all the bells and whistles. People die in childbirth, even in the US. (I almost did.)

Nobody should have the right to force someone into taking that risk on against her will. It's HER life that is on the line, and even the most low risk, healthy pregnancy can wrong at the last minute. Mine did.

Forcing a woman into carrying a child against her will is a kind of slavery. You are forcing her to submit her body and her life to the needs of other people. No. Just no.

+1 More pro-choice than ever

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And you, apparently, cannot read. OP specifically said she would not want her poor baby teen to have to endure the horrors of an unwanted pregnancy, since she is still a "child" herself. But crazy as your point of view is, I suppose you think it's fine for "children" in this situation to be having sex and abortions. I mean, why not. Planned Parenthood is making big $$$ off of the body parts.

Begone, nutter. You may have your own opinions, no matter how flawed your logic, but you may not have your own facts.

Well, apparently even PP agrees with me, because they have admitted to this and are now saying they will not take payments for fetal tissue. These satanists under exposure of course; they had to be forced to take even this step. (You may not have heard that yet, from the cave you dwell in.)

Nutter, that's cute. You've reminded me it's almost time for lunch and I think I'll have some peanut butter.

No, they don't, no, they haven't and the only payments they take are to recover the labor of the people who prep the tissue samples. I guess you can try to give a link that proves your claim, but it's either going to come from whatever Operation Rescue is calling themselves or a link to the videos from CMP... which is the same thing as no link at all. So I repeat, "Begone, nutter. You may have your own opinions, no matter how flawed your logic, but you may not have your own facts." Hope your lunch was good!

This (tired, insipid) line applies to your and yours as well. Which of course means nothing to the monsters at PP, who are benefiting from the baby part dollars.

Can you point to any facts that pro-choicers believe that are not actually facts? Unlike the completely incorrect claim you've made thrice.

No citation for your "facts"?

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Anonymous wrote:I have turned pro-life. Everyone has dignity that is distinctly theirs, including an unborn human. As mothers, it is our duty to help maintain this dignity. It is not our choice to allow this dignity or not. I am for responsibility. Take charge of your body and choices and don't procreate if you don't have the means to take care of it.

Can you expand on this? Because this is basically meaningless word salad.

Can you further elaborate on why you do think abortion is not taking "responsibility" once someone has determined that they don't have the means to care for a child?

Word salad? Sure, whatever makes you feel better.

Definition: Dignity 1.the state or quality of being worthy of honor or respect

Why would your incoherency make me feel better? This sentence: "Everyone has dignity that is distinctly theirs." is not an argument. It doesn't even make sense, let alone mean anything. So a morula has "the quality of being worthy of honor or respect," more so than a woman with 26 years in the rear view? Because anti-choicers who vote anti-choice, to a tee, think wimmen are just too gosh darn stupid and fickle to be trusted with this decision. Or murderous sluts with blood lust. Or confused by the Feminazi propaganda that says wimmen don't just have to have kids and stay home with them.

But toss that word salad! Main ingredient? Bitter leaves of internalized misogyny.

So let me get this straight, because I think an unborn child has dignity I am incoherent, misogynistic, and think women are stupid, slutty, and need to be repressed. So far from the truth its laughable. But we all know arguing on the internet gets you no where so I won't even bother typing the truth, you go ahead and keep thinking that so you can put "pro-lifers" in that box and put yourself on your moral pedestal.

The "dignity" of embryos and fetuses is not a reason to oppose abortion; the dignity of living women is a reason to support choice. And the box I put anti-choicers in is the one they have built themselves. These are the reasons anti-choice law makers use to enact anti-choice legislation.

All of which is far afield of OP's topic.

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Anonymous wrote:I have turned pro-life. Everyone has dignity that is distinctly theirs, including an unborn human. As mothers, it is our duty to help maintain this dignity. It is not our choice to allow this dignity or not. I am for responsibility. Take charge of your body and choices and don't procreate if you don't have the means to take care of it.

Can you expand on this? Because this is basically meaningless word salad.

Can you further elaborate on why you do think abortion is not taking "responsibility" once someone has determined that they don't have the means to care for a child?

Word salad? Sure, whatever makes you feel better.

Definition: Dignity 1.the state or quality of being worthy of honor or respect

Why would your incoherency make me feel better? This sentence: "Everyone has dignity that is distinctly theirs." is not an argument. It doesn't even make sense, let alone mean anything. So a morula has "the quality of being worthy of honor or respect," more so than a woman with 26 years in the rear view? Because anti-choicers who vote anti-choice, to a tee, think wimmen are just too gosh darn stupid and fickle to be trusted with this decision. Or murderous sluts with blood lust. Or confused by the Feminazi propaganda that says wimmen don't just have to have kids and stay home with them.

But toss that word salad! Main ingredient? Bitter leaves of internalized misogyny.

So let me get this straight, because I think an unborn child has dignity I am incoherent, misogynistic, and think women are stupid, slutty, and need to be repressed. So far from the truth its laughable. But we all know arguing on the internet gets you no where so I won't even bother typing the truth, you go ahead and keep thinking that so you can put "pro-lifers" in that box and put yourself on your moral pedestal.

Dignity, eh?

Not the PP you are responding to but it's been clearly evident that in your zeal to "treat the unborn with dignity" the pro-lifers have demonstrated again and again their desire to strip women of their dignity, with all of the hoops they expect women to jump through.

How about we treat gun buyers with the same "dignity" with which we treat women who are trying to make that difficult decision... How about this analogy which is making the rounds:

How about we treat every young man who wants to buy a gun like every woman who wants to get an abortion — mandatory 48-hr waiting period, parental permission, a note from his doctor proving he understands what he's about to do, a video he has to watch about the effects of gun violence, an ultrasound wand up the ass (just because). Let's close down all but one gun shop in every state and make him travel hundreds of miles, take time off work, and stay overnight in a strange town to get a gun. Make him walk through a gauntlet of people holding photos of loved ones who were shot to death, people who call him a murderer and beg him not to buy a gun.

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And you, apparently, cannot read. OP specifically said she would not want her poor baby teen to have to endure the horrors of an unwanted pregnancy, since she is still a "child" herself. But crazy as your point of view is, I suppose you think it's fine for "children" in this situation to be having sex and abortions. I mean, why not. Planned Parenthood is making big $$$ off of the body parts.

Begone, nutter. You may have your own opinions, no matter how flawed your logic, but you may not have your own facts.

Well, apparently even PP agrees with me, because they have admitted to this and are now saying they will not take payments for fetal tissue. These satanists under exposure of course; they had to be forced to take even this step. (You may not have heard that yet, from the cave you dwell in.)

Nutter, that's cute. You've reminded me it's almost time for lunch and I think I'll have some peanut butter.

Sure, a group can change from doing one legal thing to doing another legal thing. If this leads to people ceasing their attacks upon Planned Parenthood and requests to defund them, then excellent! While you're eating your peanut butter, are you going to stop worrying about what Planned Parenthood is doing with government or private donor money, or are you going to continue thinking of ways to attack them?

I will never stop attacking them until their abortion services are completely out of business, and/or R v W is overturned. What PP does with the rest of their funding is up to them.

Beautiful. You can't see the forest for the trees.
1. If you want to reduce abortions, fund the hell out of PP, social services, sex ed, and support politicians who support a living wage.
2. No legal abortion - and without PP, it would be awfully hard to get in many places - means lots of illegal abortion. Lots of infections, sepsis, perforated uteruses, sterility, dead women, and motherless children.

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Anonymous wrote:I have turned pro-life. Everyone has dignity that is distinctly theirs, including an unborn human. As mothers, it is our duty to help maintain this dignity. It is not our choice to allow this dignity or not. I am for responsibility. Take charge of your body and choices and don't procreate if you don't have the means to take care of it.

Can you expand on this? Because this is basically meaningless word salad.

Can you further elaborate on why you do think abortion is not taking "responsibility" once someone has determined that they don't have the means to care for a child?

Word salad? Sure, whatever makes you feel better.

Definition: Dignity 1.the state or quality of being worthy of honor or respect

Why would your incoherency make me feel better? This sentence: "Everyone has dignity that is distinctly theirs." is not an argument. It doesn't even make sense, let alone mean anything. So a morula has "the quality of being worthy of honor or respect," more so than a woman with 26 years in the rear view? Because anti-choicers who vote anti-choice, to a tee, think wimmen are just too gosh darn stupid and fickle to be trusted with this decision. Or murderous sluts with blood lust. Or confused by the Feminazi propaganda that says wimmen don't just have to have kids and stay home with them.

But toss that word salad! Main ingredient? Bitter leaves of internalized misogyny.

So let me get this straight, because I think an unborn child has dignity I am incoherent, misogynistic, and think women are stupid, slutty, and need to be repressed. So far from the truth its laughable. But we all know arguing on the internet gets you no where so I won't even bother typing the truth, you go ahead and keep thinking that so you can put "pro-lifers" in that box and put yourself on your moral pedestal.

Dignity, eh?

Not the PP you are responding to but it's been clearly evident that in your zeal to "treat the unborn with dignity" the pro-lifers have demonstrated again and again their desire to strip women of their dignity, with all of the hoops they expect women to jump through.

How about we treat gun buyers with the same "dignity" with which we treat women who are trying to make that difficult decision... How about this analogy which is making the rounds:

How about we treat every young man who wants to buy a gun like every woman who wants to get an abortion — mandatory 48-hr waiting period, parental permission, a note from his doctor proving he understands what he's about to do, a video he has to watch about the effects of gun violence, an ultrasound wand up the ass (just because). Let's close down all but one gun shop in every state and make him travel hundreds of miles, take time off work, and stay overnight in a strange town to get a gun. Make him walk through a gauntlet of people holding photos of loved ones who were shot to death, people who call him a murderer and beg him not to buy a gun.

NP and very pro-life. I have absolutely no problem with any of the above. Purchasing a gun should be much, much more difficult than it currently is. I personally have asked (not begged) people I know not to buy guns. In fact, I think all of this is a great idea.

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Anonymous wrote:I was always pro-choice but mainly for extreme circumstances (rape, mother in danger etc) but knew you can't really separate the issue so always called myself pro choice. However since having kids I am now VERY pro choice in a way that I never would of expected. The fact is this shit is HARD and I have education, money, a supportive community, and access to good healthcare. I can't imagine how hard it is for impoverished teenagers or single parents who already have a few kids or really any un ideal circumstance. Adoption isn't perfect either and I think the "adoption bandaid" is used in theory too frequently. Now as a parent I realized that I really wouldn't want my own teenager to have to carry a pregnancy and delivery and then give up the baby...it just seems like way too much to emotionally endure as a child herself. I keep these feelings to myself because I feel they would come off as inhumane and shouldn't parenting make you more pro life? I kind of wonder if something is wrong with me. For the record I love being a parent and am happy with my life but its just a strange change of views I have experienced and was curious if anyone else has as well?

Well, gee. Then why don't you teach her not to have sex before she's ready to be a parent?

Adoption isn't "perfect" either? So that's your easy out? Depends on which party you ask, I suppose. For the to-be-murdered fetus, it probably looks pretty damned perfect, compared to the alternative.

What, do you think only non-married, childless people have abortions? LOL.

Keep on slut-shaming, it only makes you look more crazy and naive.

And you, apparently, cannot read. OP specifically said she would not want her poor baby teen to have to endure the horrors of an unwanted pregnancy, since she is still a "child" herself. But crazy as your point of view is, I suppose you think it's fine for "children" in this situation to be having sex and abortions. I mean, why not. Planned Parenthood is making big $$$ off of the body parts.

This again? Don't derail the thread, PP!

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Anonymous wrote:I have turned pro-life. Everyone has dignity that is distinctly theirs, including an unborn human. As mothers, it is our duty to help maintain this dignity. It is not our choice to allow this dignity or not. I am for responsibility. Take charge of your body and choices and don't procreate if you don't have the means to take care of it.

Can you expand on this? Because this is basically meaningless word salad.

Can you further elaborate on why you do think abortion is not taking "responsibility" once someone has determined that they don't have the means to care for a child?

Word salad? Sure, whatever makes you feel better.

Definition: Dignity 1.the state or quality of being worthy of honor or respect

Why would your incoherency make me feel better? This sentence: "Everyone has dignity that is distinctly theirs." is not an argument. It doesn't even make sense, let alone mean anything. So a morula has "the quality of being worthy of honor or respect," more so than a woman with 26 years in the rear view? Because anti-choicers who vote anti-choice, to a tee, think wimmen are just too gosh darn stupid and fickle to be trusted with this decision. Or murderous sluts with blood lust. Or confused by the Feminazi propaganda that says wimmen don't just have to have kids and stay home with them.

But toss that word salad! Main ingredient? Bitter leaves of internalized misogyny.

So let me get this straight, because I think an unborn child has dignity I am incoherent, misogynistic, and think women are stupid, slutty, and need to be repressed. So far from the truth its laughable. But we all know arguing on the internet gets you no where so I won't even bother typing the truth, you go ahead and keep thinking that so you can put "pro-lifers" in that box and put yourself on your moral pedestal.

Dignity, eh?

Not the PP you are responding to but it's been clearly evident that in your zeal to "treat the unborn with dignity" the pro-lifers have demonstrated again and again their desire to strip women of their dignity, with all of the hoops they expect women to jump through.

How about we treat gun buyers with the same "dignity" with which we treat women who are trying to make that difficult decision... How about this analogy which is making the rounds:

How about we treat every young man who wants to buy a gun like every woman who wants to get an abortion — mandatory 48-hr waiting period, parental permission, a note from his doctor proving he understands what he's about to do, a video he has to watch about the effects of gun violence, an ultrasound wand up the ass (just because). Let's close down all but one gun shop in every state and make him travel hundreds of miles, take time off work, and stay overnight in a strange town to get a gun. Make him walk through a gauntlet of people holding photos of loved ones who were shot to death, people who call him a murderer and beg him not to buy a gun.

NP and very pro-life. I have absolutely no problem with any of the above. Purchasing a gun should be much, much more difficult than it currently is. I personally have asked (not begged) people I know not to buy guns. In fact, I think all of this is a great idea.

OK, then, how about reproductive rights shows where all of those regulations are off limits?

Obviously you've never had an invasive ultrasound.

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Anonymous wrote:Actually I've become even more pro choice since becoming pregnant. It wasn't until I understood when testing could take place and how that corresponded with so-called "late term abortion" that I got it. You only potentially find out about things at 20 weeks, may need to get an amnio to confirm, and by then you're pushing the 23 week deadline.

What is CVS for $20, Alex..

CVS can be done early in pregnancy (earlier than amniocentesis), and results are usually obtained within 10 days. Getting this kind of information early allows a woman to make choices in the beginning stage of her pregnancy. If a woman chooses to terminate the pregnancy after receiving abnormal test results, the termination will be safer than if she waits until later for amniocentesis results.

CVS is not always covered by insurance, particularly in women under 35. So those women need to do the 13 week test and see a potential abnormality in order for CVS to be covered by insurance. This takes us back to the matter of pushing the timeline.

Moreover, none of the diagnostic tests like CVS or amnio are done routinely, unless an abnormality is spotted. Abnormalities are not spotted until the 20 week ultrasound. So, again, my original point, which I made a loooong time ago, stands.

I have a child with SN and while I love him so, and will fight for him to get the services he needs and hopefully to attain a life he enjoys, parenting has made me even more pro choice. I do not know what my son's life would look like in the hands of someone without the resources or the will to fight for him.

CVS is routinely done with older mothers, which is how DCUM skews.

CVS is mainly done with older mothers because the risk applies mainly to them.

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I am one of the pro-choice posters. I believe abortions are a terrible, and most often wrong choice. I would personally counsel any woman to choose to have a baby.

But making abortions illegal is so counter-productive it seems cartoonish. Just like with drugs, rich women will find a way to have abortions and poor women (probably mostly minorities) will suffer consequences. Miserable, desperate women will have babies that they don't want. And our society does not have enough of a safety net to help those women raise children that they are probably not equipped to handle.