is anyone more pro-life since becoming a parent?

[Anonymous]

As a mom of a teen daughter, I will always be pro-choice. Always.

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Anonymous wrote:I have turned pro-life. Everyone has dignity that is distinctly theirs, including an unborn human. As mothers, it is our duty to help maintain this dignity. It is not our choice to allow this dignity or not. I am for responsibility. Take charge of your body and choices and don't procreate if you don't have the means to take care of it.

Can you expand on this? Because this is basically meaningless word salad.

Can you further elaborate on why you do think abortion is not taking "responsibility" once someone has determined that they don't have the means to care for a child?

Word salad? Sure, whatever makes you feel better.

Definition: Dignity 1.the state or quality of being worthy of honor or respect

Why would your incoherency make me feel better? This sentence: "Everyone has dignity that is distinctly theirs." is not an argument. It doesn't even make sense, let alone mean anything. So a morula has "the quality of being worthy of honor or respect," more so than a woman with 26 years in the rear view? Because anti-choicers who vote anti-choice, to a tee, think wimmen are just too gosh darn stupid and fickle to be trusted with this decision. Or murderous sluts with blood lust. Or confused by the Feminazi propaganda that says wimmen don't just have to have kids and stay home with them.

But toss that word salad! Main ingredient? Bitter leaves of internalized misogyny.

So let me get this straight, because I think an unborn child has dignity I am incoherent, misogynistic, and think women are stupid, slutty, and need to be repressed. So far from the truth its laughable. But we all know arguing on the internet gets you no where so I won't even bother typing the truth, you go ahead and keep thinking that so you can put "pro-lifers" in that box and put yourself on your moral pedestal.

Dignity, eh?

Not the PP you are responding to but it's been clearly evident that in your zeal to "treat the unborn with dignity" the pro-lifers have demonstrated again and again their desire to strip women of their dignity, with all of the hoops they expect women to jump through.

How about we treat gun buyers with the same "dignity" with which we treat women who are trying to make that difficult decision... How about this analogy which is making the rounds:

How about we treat every young man who wants to buy a gun like every woman who wants to get an abortion — mandatory 48-hr waiting period, parental permission, a note from his doctor proving he understands what he's about to do, a video he has to watch about the effects of gun violence, an ultrasound wand up the ass (just because). Let's close down all but one gun shop in every state and make him travel hundreds of miles, take time off work, and stay overnight in a strange town to get a gun. Make him walk through a gauntlet of people holding photos of loved ones who were shot to death, people who call him a murderer and beg him not to buy a gun.

What am I missing here with this gun analogy? You are talking before the fact with a gun purchase and after with a pregnancy. A person wanting to buy a gun has to pass a background check and in some cases must wait for a period of time in order to receive their purchase. How does that relate? The woman and her SO must wait before having sex? Frankly, in some cases that wouldn't be a bad idea at all.

BTW...I would be for gun owners watching a video, being required to use safeties at all times and failure to do so and someone is injured they would be held accountable by law. I would be in favor of drivers having to view wrecks of those who were guilty of TWD and DUI. And no I am not relating that to abortion.

That said, while I believe the complete information is important in abortion decisions and I am against abortions past 20 weeks save for medical issues I don't believe they should have to endure harassment such as you outline.

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Anonymous wrote:I have turned pro-life. Everyone has dignity that is distinctly theirs, including an unborn human. As mothers, it is our duty to help maintain this dignity. It is not our choice to allow this dignity or not. I am for responsibility. Take charge of your body and choices and don't procreate if you don't have the means to take care of it.

Can you expand on this? Because this is basically meaningless word salad.

Can you further elaborate on why you do think abortion is not taking "responsibility" once someone has determined that they don't have the means to care for a child?

Word salad? Sure, whatever makes you feel better.

Definition: Dignity 1.the state or quality of being worthy of honor or respect

Why would your incoherency make me feel better? This sentence: "Everyone has dignity that is distinctly theirs." is not an argument. It doesn't even make sense, let alone mean anything. So a morula has "the quality of being worthy of honor or respect," more so than a woman with 26 years in the rear view? Because anti-choicers who vote anti-choice, to a tee, think wimmen are just too gosh darn stupid and fickle to be trusted with this decision. Or murderous sluts with blood lust. Or confused by the Feminazi propaganda that says wimmen don't just have to have kids and stay home with them.

But toss that word salad! Main ingredient? Bitter leaves of internalized misogyny.

So let me get this straight, because I think an unborn child has dignity I am incoherent, misogynistic, and think women are stupid, slutty, and need to be repressed. So far from the truth its laughable. But we all know arguing on the internet gets you no where so I won't even bother typing the truth, you go ahead and keep thinking that so you can put "pro-lifers" in that box and put yourself on your moral pedestal.

Dignity, eh?

Not the PP you are responding to but it's been clearly evident that in your zeal to "treat the unborn with dignity" the pro-lifers have demonstrated again and again their desire to strip women of their dignity, with all of the hoops they expect women to jump through.

How about we treat gun buyers with the same "dignity" with which we treat women who are trying to make that difficult decision... How about this analogy which is making the rounds:

How about we treat every young man who wants to buy a gun like every woman who wants to get an abortion — mandatory 48-hr waiting period, parental permission, a note from his doctor proving he understands what he's about to do, a video he has to watch about the effects of gun violence, an ultrasound wand up the ass (just because). Let's close down all but one gun shop in every state and make him travel hundreds of miles, take time off work, and stay overnight in a strange town to get a gun. Make him walk through a gauntlet of people holding photos of loved ones who were shot to death, people who call him a murderer and beg him not to buy a gun.

What am I missing here with this gun analogy? You are talking before the fact with a gun purchase and after with a pregnancy. A person wanting to buy a gun has to pass a background check and in some cases must wait for a period of time in order to receive their purchase. How does that relate? The woman and her SO must wait before having sex? Frankly, in some cases that wouldn't be a bad idea at all.

BTW...I would be for gun owners watching a video, being required to use safeties at all times and failure to do so and someone is injured they would be held accountable by law. I would be in favor of drivers having to view wrecks of those who were guilty of TWD and DUI. And no I am not relating that to abortion.

That said, while I believe the complete information is important in abortion decisions and I am against abortions past 20 weeks save for medical issues I don't believe they should have to endure harassment such as you outline.

A decision is a decision. Why put one set of people through a whole bunch of degrading harrassment but not another? Unless, you are agreeing that gun buyers should be subjected to the same kinds of abuse. So when can we expect to see you outside of a gun store holding up disgusting graphic photos of gunshot victims, shouting humiliating and degrading comments at gun buyers?

[Anonymous]

I have a feeling this has been said before but I'm even more pro choice after having kids. Why on earth would you force parenting on somebody? Particularly when they aren't ready or aren't capable. I get it now. Having kids is the best thing I've ever done but it shouldn't be forced.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am one of the pro-choice posters. I believe abortions are a terrible, and most often wrong choice. I would personally counsel any woman to choose to have a baby.

But making abortions illegal is so counter-productive it seems cartoonish. Just like with drugs, rich women will find a way to have abortions and poor women (probably mostly minorities) will suffer consequences. Miserable, desperate women will have babies that they don't want. And our society does not have enough of a safety net to help those women raise children that they are probably not equipped to handle.

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Abortion has existed for all of human history, and it will always exist forever and ever and ever. I support keeping abortion legal, safe, and (hopefully) rare. You don't make abortion rare by reversing Roe v. Wade. You make abortion rare by providing honest and thorough sex education, multiple forms of free birth control, and proving resources for people to be good, healthy, happy parents of good, healthy, happy kids.

[Anonymous]

I live for my children and give a lot of time to child-related causes, and I'm more pro-choice than ever.

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Anonymous wrote:I have turned pro-life. Everyone has dignity that is distinctly theirs, including an unborn human. As mothers, it is our duty to help maintain this dignity. It is not our choice to allow this dignity or not. I am for responsibility. Take charge of your body and choices and don't procreate if you don't have the means to take care of it.

Can you expand on this? Because this is basically meaningless word salad.

Can you further elaborate on why you do think abortion is not taking "responsibility" once someone has determined that they don't have the means to care for a child?

Word salad? Sure, whatever makes you feel better.

Definition: Dignity 1.the state or quality of being worthy of honor or respect

Why would your incoherency make me feel better? This sentence: "Everyone has dignity that is distinctly theirs." is not an argument. It doesn't even make sense, let alone mean anything. So a morula has "the quality of being worthy of honor or respect," more so than a woman with 26 years in the rear view? Because anti-choicers who vote anti-choice, to a tee, think wimmen are just too gosh darn stupid and fickle to be trusted with this decision. Or murderous sluts with blood lust. Or confused by the Feminazi propaganda that says wimmen don't just have to have kids and stay home with them.

But toss that word salad! Main ingredient? Bitter leaves of internalized misogyny.

So let me get this straight, because I think an unborn child has dignity I am incoherent, misogynistic, and think women are stupid, slutty, and need to be repressed. So far from the truth its laughable. But we all know arguing on the internet gets you no where so I won't even bother typing the truth, you go ahead and keep thinking that so you can put "pro-lifers" in that box and put yourself on your moral pedestal.

Dignity, eh?

Not the PP you are responding to but it's been clearly evident that in your zeal to "treat the unborn with dignity" the pro-lifers have demonstrated again and again their desire to strip women of their dignity, with all of the hoops they expect women to jump through.

How about we treat gun buyers with the same "dignity" with which we treat women who are trying to make that difficult decision... How about this analogy which is making the rounds:

How about we treat every young man who wants to buy a gun like every woman who wants to get an abortion — mandatory 48-hr waiting period, parental permission, a note from his doctor proving he understands what he's about to do, a video he has to watch about the effects of gun violence, an ultrasound wand up the ass (just because). Let's close down all but one gun shop in every state and make him travel hundreds of miles, take time off work, and stay overnight in a strange town to get a gun. Make him walk through a gauntlet of people holding photos of loved ones who were shot to death, people who call him a murderer and beg him not to buy a gun.

What am I missing here with this gun analogy? You are talking before the fact with a gun purchase and after with a pregnancy. A person wanting to buy a gun has to pass a background check and in some cases must wait for a period of time in order to receive their purchase. How does that relate? The woman and her SO must wait before having sex? Frankly, in some cases that wouldn't be a bad idea at all.

BTW...I would be for gun owners watching a video, being required to use safeties at all times and failure to do so and someone is injured they would be held accountable by law. I would be in favor of drivers having to view wrecks of those who were guilty of TWD and DUI. And no I am not relating that to abortion.

That said, while I believe the complete information is important in abortion decisions and I am against abortions past 20 weeks save for medical issues I don't believe they should have to endure harassment such as you outline.

A decision is a decision. Why put one set of people through a whole bunch of degrading harrassment but not another? Unless, you are agreeing that gun buyers should be subjected to the same kinds of abuse. So when can we expect to see you outside of a gun store holding up disgusting graphic photos of gunshot victims, shouting humiliating and degrading comments at gun buyers?

About the same time you see me outside of an abortion clinic. Which will never happen.

[Anonymous]

I had a 20 week stillbirth. I held my tiny but perfectly formed little boy and cried. But for a freak accident, he would have become an amazing man. You'd think after that I'd be pro-life. Surprisingly, the experience made me more pro-choice.

I just don't believe that most women who have abortions are doing it for fun. I think they are doing it because they want what is best for their child. And yes, sometimes not being born is the best thing for all involved.

[Anonymous]

Yep, was always pro choice but becoming a mother has made me rabidly so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I had a 20 week stillbirth. I held my tiny but perfectly formed little boy and cried. But for a freak accident, he would have become an amazing man. You'd think after that I'd be pro-life. Surprisingly, the experience made me more pro-choice.

I just don't believe that most women who have abortions are doing it for fun. I think they are doing it because they want what is best for their child. And yes, sometimes not being born is the best thing for all involved.

Except that the aborted child is the only one who doesn't get to express an opinion.

Very sorry for your situation. I cannot imagine that level of pain.

[Anonymous]

OP did you post this before? I seem to remember this topic coming up here previously.

I am not any less pro-choice than I ever was before; I'm still pro-choice and always will be. Since having a child, though, I have even deeper sadness and misgivings about my own abortion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP did you post this before? I seem to remember this topic coming up here previously.

I am not any less pro-choice than I ever was before; I'm still pro-choice and always will be. Since having a child, though, I have even deeper sadness and misgivings about my own abortion.

This has definitely come up here before but it doesn't mean that OP posted it. It looks familiar to me also and I will try to search for another thread like it.

I had an abortion in college 20 years ago and now have two very wanted, very loved special needs children with my husband. I absolutely know now that the abortion was the right decision for me then and would fight those who try to take that decision away from others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was always pro-choice but mainly for extreme circumstances (rape, mother in danger etc) but knew you can't really separate the issue so always called myself pro choice. However since having kids I am now VERY pro choice in a way that I never would of expected. The fact is this shit is HARD and I have education, money, a supportive community, and access to good healthcare. I can't imagine how hard it is for impoverished teenagers or single parents who already have a few kids or really any un ideal circumstance. Adoption isn't perfect either and I think the "adoption bandaid" is used in theory too frequently. Now as a parent I realized that I really wouldn't want my own teenager to have to carry a pregnancy and delivery and then give up the baby...it just seems like way too much to emotionally endure as a child herself. I keep these feelings to myself because I feel they would come off as inhumane and shouldn't parenting make you more pro life? I kind of wonder if something is wrong with me. For the record I love being a parent and am happy with my life but its just a strange change of views I have experienced and was curious if anyone else has as well?

I have also felt more strongly about a woman's right to choose since becoming a mother, for the same reasons you stated. Knowing what is involved in a pregnancy, childbirth, and raising children, while I have loved the experience and wouldn't trade it for anything, I just do not see how anyone can justify trying to force all of that on other people.

[Anonymous]

I am WAY more pro choice. Shit is hard and you have to be ready.

[Anonymous]

No. My pro-choice stance is as strong as ever.