Why are 80% of the "refugees" men? Where are the women, children and elderly.

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Not relegate them to the Paris slums, for starters. Or turn them down for a job simply because they are Muslim. There was a really interesting story on npr about this recently- on average, Muslims tend to be much better integrated in the US than in many European countries. I'll see if I can dig it up.

This is very true. I have friends who had family members end up in Europe and they are way more isolated and religiously conservative.

What are you talking about?

Maybe that wasn't clear enough: I have Muslim friends who immigrated to the U.S., but had family members immigrate to Europe. Their family members who immigrated to Europe are very religiously conservative and more isolated/apart from the society they immigrated to than my American immigrant friends are.

So who wanted to assimilate, and who didn't?

I think it is much more difficult to assimilate in Europe than in the US. Despite the liberalism of northern Europe, they are still a very traditional and closed society. You just cannot compare the US and Europe.

It would be interesting if they did a study to see if the US or Europe tended to attract the more conservative or liberal immigrants.

Fact adjustment: Europe has had loose immigration requirements for decades for one reason: their low birth rate cannot support their social programs of free health care and free college, 18 most paid maternity leave. They need immigrant workers. Traditionally, Arab people are hard working, family oriented people. They tend to be politically conservative ( they loved Reagan and Nixon) , they want start their own business, will work 18 hrs a day to get ahead and in general a great group of people.

There were always a small percentage of maladjusted youth and but by and large a good people

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Anonymous wrote:There seem to be several posters on here that assert that many (or the majority?) of refugees are actually "economic migrants." I'm curious as to how you know this? Do some of you work for the govt or with NGOs that work directly with this crisis? Or have numbers/percentages been published in a news source that I just haven't seen?

Also, this is probably a dumb question, but how do you distinguish between a "refugee" and "economic migrant"? Say you have two people coming for Syria- one has been driven from their house (or it's been destroyed) while the other still has somewhere to live but has lost their way of living and ability to provide for their family due to the war. Is the former considered a refugee but the latter an economic migrant?

A refugee is defined as one that will be persecuted or killed due to political, religious or sexual orientation reasons. If their ability to provide for their family has been taken away, that is not a refugee, or if it is, they are called "economic refugees" and most countries don't recognize that as a reason.

One can say that the Syrian refugees are religious refugees from ISIS. I know I would be one if ISIS were taking over my country.

Also, there are millions of refugees in Turkey and Lebanon, but their status there is terrible. So, perhaps, many men have left their wives and kids in Lebanon or Turkey while they go to Europe to find a job, then send for them later once they have more money. This is fairly typical.

I saw a picture of a Syrian man in Lebanon, holding his sleeping 4 yr old daughter, and trying to send generic ball point pens on the streets. He had about a half dozen or so in his hands, desperately trying to sell them. It was so sad. Some people around there started a kickstarter campaign for him and his family. I don't know what happened. I just imagine my DH holding my 6 yr old trying to sell a few pens on the street so that we could eat. Heartbreaking.

Yes, that photo was heart breaking, however, at last check, they raised $90K+ in crowd funding for that man. Next photos showed him and his daughter smiling.

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How could 80% of refugees be male according to you when, the UN documents 51% off refugees are children.
http://www.unhcr.org.uk/about-us/key-facts-and-figures.html

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Anonymous wrote:How could 80% of refugees be male according to you when, the UN documents 51% off refugees are children.
http://www.unhcr.org.uk/about-us/key-facts-and-figures.html

Fox News?

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Anonymous wrote:How could 80% of refugees be male according to you when, the UN documents 51% off refugees are children.
http://www.unhcr.org.uk/about-us/key-facts-and-figures.html

Doesn't the article you linked to account for all refugees in 2014 while the 80% refers to a specific subset of refugees?

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Not relegate them to the Paris slums, for starters. Or turn them down for a job simply because they are Muslim. There was a really interesting story on npr about this recently- on average, Muslims tend to be much better integrated in the US than in many European countries. I'll see if I can dig it up.

This is very true. I have friends who had family members end up in Europe and they are way more isolated and religiously conservative.

What are you talking about?

Maybe that wasn't clear enough: I have Muslim friends who immigrated to the U.S., but had family members immigrate to Europe. Their family members who immigrated to Europe are very religiously conservative and more isolated/apart from the society they immigrated to than my American immigrant friends are.

So who wanted to assimilate, and who didn't?

I think it is much more difficult to assimilate in Europe than in the US. Despite the liberalism of northern Europe, they are still a very traditional and closed society. You just cannot compare the US and Europe.

It would be interesting if they did a study to see if the US or Europe tended to attract the more conservative or liberal immigrants.

Fact adjustment: Europe has had loose immigration requirements for decades for one reason: their low birth rate cannot support their social programs of free health care and free college, 18 most paid maternity leave. They need immigrant workers. Traditionally, Arab people are hard working, family oriented people. They tend to be politically conservative ( they loved Reagan and Nixon) , they want start their own business, will work 18 hrs a day to get ahead and in general a great group of people.

There were always a small percentage of maladjusted youth and but by and large a good people

I don't disagree, but the politically conservative thing is old news. Solid supporters, now, of parties of the left.

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Anonymous wrote:Nope, mine took his family because he cared about the women and children too.

My european friends are all posting videos about how ISIS is infiltrating europe with all these adult male "refugees."

They are correct. Phase 2 of the caliphate

Exactly. The wiser nations are rightfully protecting their boarders from the onslaught of who-knows-what.

Germany is doomed. Not going there again.

Nope. ISIS is trying to discourage people from leaving. They are not encouraging it as a way to send out terrorists.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/09/10/islamic-state-uses-image-of-drowned-syrian-toddler-as-warning-to-would-be-refugees/

"It concludes that "voluntarily leaving [the lands of Islam] for [the lands of infidels] is a dangerous major sin, as it is... a gate toward one's children and grandchildren abandoning Islam for Christianity, atheism or liberalism.""

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Anonymous wrote:Nope, mine took his family because he cared about the women and children too.

My european friends are all posting videos about how ISIS is infiltrating europe with all these adult male "refugees."

They are correct. Phase 2 of the caliphate

Exactly. The wiser nations are rightfully protecting their boarders from the onslaught of who-knows-what.

Germany is doomed. Not going there again.

Although Saudi Arabia will not let any of the refugees in, they have offered monetary help to Germany - they have offered to pay for and build 200 new mosques in Germany since Germany will not have enough mosques to handle all the refugees.

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Apparently, according to this report in an Italian Newspaper, men are throwing women overboard:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&twu=1&u=http://www.lefigaro.fr/international/2011/04/05/01003-20110405ARTFIG00744--vintimille-un-sangatte-entre-france-et-italie.php

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Wow. Just wow.

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Now who among us is still taking a holiday in Europe?
And where??

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Anonymous wrote:Nope, mine took his family because he cared about the women and children too.

My european friends are all posting videos about how ISIS is infiltrating europe with all these adult male "refugees."

They are correct. Phase 2 of the caliphate

Exactly. The wiser nations are rightfully protecting their boarders from the onslaught of who-knows-what.

Germany is doomed. Not going there again.

Although Saudi Arabia will not let any of the refugees in, they have offered monetary help to Germany - they have offered to pay for and build 200 new mosques in Germany since Germany will not have enough mosques to handle all the refugees.

So even Saudia Arabia feels that the surge/flotilla of Muslim refugees will undermine the stability of their sovereign conservative Muslim nation?!

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BTW, I had believed that WWIII would start in a small insignificant section of the world and it did (Tunisia). Over the past few years, I have wondered if WWIII had started. The conflagration has started and is now being fanned into Western Europe and through political pressure to accept the overwhelming population of refugees, will inevitably be imported into the US/North America.

No, not ALL Muslims are terrorists, but it just takes a few to sneak in under the guise of a refugee. No, not all Muslims blow things up, however, they can easily overtake public arenas and schools and pose a threat to public safety, especially to the most vulnerable population, when we are going to work, teaching children at school, or enjoying a night out at the movies.

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I remember a country (Holland?) making immigrants not only learn about their history but also learn affirmatively about their culture (indicate they were comfortable with it) - nude sunbathing, women's rights etc..before assigning citizenship. Fair or unfair ? Needed now?
You cannot deny that some of the past waves of immigrants to Europe like algerians/morrocans in France - some.live in pockets of social or economic isolation and have not assimilated. How would Frances burkha ban go down with this new wave in wondering? Right now I'm guessing people will do/say anything, but in a month? In a year?

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Anonymous wrote:I remember a country (Holland?) making immigrants not only learn about their history but also learn affirmatively about their culture (indicate they were comfortable with it) - nude sunbathing, women's rights etc..before assigning citizenship. Fair or unfair ? Needed now?
You cannot deny that some of the past waves of immigrants to Europe like algerians/morrocans in France - some.live in pockets of social or economic isolation and have not assimilated. How would Frances burkha ban go down with this new wave in wondering? Right now I'm guessing people will do/say anything, but in a month? In a year?

Good questions... Anyone?