Vineyard Vines - Wow, haven't seen such a white catalog in years

[Anonymous]

My college roomate designs for VV - I just sent her this thread.

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I just bought my third pair of lazy pants, and I feel so bad about being white and owning them, WTF?

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Anonymous wrote:They don't market to minorities, because they don't want socially ambitious AAs deciding that Vineyard Vines is a status brand. That will make their brand VERY fashionable for a few years, but turn off their core market. Then the fashion will change and they will be a worn out brand who is no longer fashionable and whose core market gave up on them.

Sad but true. They do have to worry about protecting their brand...

Exactly. Remember Nautica, Timberland, and Tommy Hilfiger?

Lacoste

You do know that René Lacoste was a half black man, right?

[Anonymous]

Did you ever receive a response OP?

[Anonymous]

OP. Nope. No response.

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Anonymous wrote:They don't market to minorities, because they don't want socially ambitious AAs deciding that Vineyard Vines is a status brand. That will make their brand VERY fashionable for a few years, but turn off their core market. Then the fashion will change and they will be a worn out brand who is no longer fashionable and whose core market gave up on them.

Sad but true. They do have to worry about protecting their brand...

Exactly. Remember Nautica, Timberland, and Tommy Hilfiger?

Lacoste

You do know that René Lacoste was a half black man, right?

René Lacoste was definitely not biracial. Please stop getting your information from bullshit internet memes lol. He was born into a well-to-do white French family.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They don't market to minorities, because they don't want socially ambitious AAs deciding that Vineyard Vines is a status brand. That will make their brand VERY fashionable for a few years, but turn off their core market. Then the fashion will change and they will be a worn out brand who is no longer fashionable and whose core market gave up on them.

Sad but true. They do have to worry about protecting their brand...

Exactly. Remember Nautica, Timberland, and Tommy Hilfiger?

Lacoste

You do know that René Lacoste was a half black man, right?

René Lacoste was definitely not biracial. Please stop getting your information from bullshit internet memes lol. He was born into a well-to-do white French family.

So you're saying there were no well to do French black families in the 1900s? Have you seen his picture?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They don't market to minorities, because they don't want socially ambitious AAs deciding that Vineyard Vines is a status brand. That will make their brand VERY fashionable for a few years, but turn off their core market. Then the fashion will change and they will be a worn out brand who is no longer fashionable and whose core market gave up on them.

Sad but true. They do have to worry about protecting their brand...

Exactly. Remember Nautica, Timberland, and Tommy Hilfiger?

Lacoste

You do know that René Lacoste was a half black man, right?

René Lacoste was definitely not biracial. Please stop getting your information from bullshit internet memes lol. He was born into a well-to-do white French family.

So you're saying there were no well to do French black families in the 1900s? Have you seen his picture?

I'm not saying that because I have no idea if there were well to do French black families in the 1900s, I'm just saying he's not from one of them. Yes, I've seen his picture, worked in his company's marketing department for 10 years, and met his descendants. When the rumor first started, it was funny and misinformed but now it's just weird how people have latched onto it. There's absolutely nothing wrong with being black (I'm black myself) but René Lacoste wasn't.

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Anonymous wrote:They don't market to minorities, because they don't want socially ambitious AAs deciding that Vineyard Vines is a status brand. That will make their brand VERY fashionable for a few years, but turn off their core market. Then the fashion will change and they will be a worn out brand who is no longer fashionable and whose core market gave up on them.

Sad but true. They do have to worry about protecting their brand...

Exactly. Remember Nautica, Timberland, and Tommy Hilfiger?

Lacoste

You do know that René Lacoste was a half black man, right?

René Lacoste was definitely not biracial. Please stop getting your information from bullshit internet memes lol. He was born into a well-to-do white French family.

So you're saying there were no well to do French black families in the 1900s? Have you seen his picture?

I'm not saying that because I have no idea if there were well to do French black families in the 1900s, I'm just saying he's not from one of them. Yes, I've seen his picture, worked in his company's marketing department for 10 years, and met his descendants. When the rumor first started, it was funny and misinformed but now it's just weird how people have latched onto it. There's absolutely nothing wrong with being black (I'm black myself) but René Lacoste wasn't.

Dear, you have a lot to learn about your own race if you really think that you can say, definitively, that someone doesn't have any black in them. Descendants have nothing to do with it. Many of my 1/4 black cousins look all white. Lacoste is clearly part black. Now is it 1/4, 1/2 or 1/8 who knows. People weren't rushing to get blood test for African heritage in 1900s if you know what I mean.

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Anonymous wrote:They don't market to minorities, because they don't want socially ambitious AAs deciding that Vineyard Vines is a status brand. That will make their brand VERY fashionable for a few years, but turn off their core market. Then the fashion will change and they will be a worn out brand who is no longer fashionable and whose core market gave up on them.

Sad but true. They do have to worry about protecting their brand...

Exactly. Remember Nautica, Timberland, and Tommy Hilfiger?

Lacoste

You do know that René Lacoste was a half black man, right?

René Lacoste was definitely not biracial. Please stop getting your information from bullshit internet memes lol. He was born into a well-to-do white French family.

So you're saying there were no well to do French black families in the 1900s? Have you seen his picture?

I'm not saying that because I have no idea if there were well to do French black families in the 1900s, I'm just saying he's not from one of them. Yes, I've seen his picture, worked in his company's marketing department for 10 years, and met his descendants. When the rumor first started, it was funny and misinformed but now it's just weird how people have latched onto it. There's absolutely nothing wrong with being black (I'm black myself) but René Lacoste wasn't.

Dear, you have a lot to learn about your own race if you really think that you can say, definitively, that someone doesn't have any black in them. Descendants have nothing to do with it. Many of my 1/4 black cousins look all white. Lacoste is clearly part black. Now is it 1/4, 1/2 or 1/8 who knows. People weren't rushing to get blood test for African heritage in 1900s if you know what I mean.

You said he was half black. Descendants that deny any black in their ancestry have plenty to do with it. I don't think Lacoste looks clearly anything, he looks like a swarthy European and that's clearly what he passed as. You have a lot to learn about my(our?) race if you think black people need to go around trying to claim someone and his accomplishments if he was in denial about it. There are too many notables in our history to waste time doing that.

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You are right there are plenty of people in our history that denied their black backgrounds, doesn't mean that it's ok and it doesn't mean we can say for sure he's white because he didn't claim his black side. Many people "passed" and I understand why, still sad. Also, I never seen any meme you mention, I learned about Lacoste in a black history class.

[Anonymous]

This thread turned to be really interesting. From the pictures I thought Rene Lacoste was Arab.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread turned to be really interesting. From the pictures I thought Rene Lacoste was Arab.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?52551-Classify-Ren%E9-Lacoste

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Anonymous wrote:You are right there are plenty of people in our history that denied their black backgrounds, doesn't mean that it's ok and it doesn't mean we can say for sure he's white because he didn't claim his black side. Many people "passed" and I understand why, still sad. Also, I never seen any meme you mention, I learned about Lacoste in a black history class.

So? The field is full of people who claim all sorts of things. Cites, please.

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Anonymous wrote:You are right there are plenty of people in our history that denied their black backgrounds, doesn't mean that it's ok and it doesn't mean we can say for sure he's white because he didn't claim his black side. Many people "passed" and I understand why, still sad. Also, I never seen any meme you mention, I learned about Lacoste in a black history class.

I'm not the Pp above challenging your source. Having met and interacted with his family, who addressed the rumor when it first came up, the life he lived and the legacy he wanted to leave behind is not that of a black man. Lacoste parents were white, Mediterranean looking but still, that one drop of black blood rule is played. If a man says he's white, who are we to say he isn't? #askRachel