Confederate Battle Flag

[jsteele]

A South Carolina Republican legislator will introduce a bill to take down the Confederate flag:

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/sc-republican-will-introduce-bill-to-take-down-confederate-flag/

Brannon said, "I had a friend die Wednesday night for no reason other than he was a black man. Senator Pinckney was an incredible human being. I don’t want to talk politics, but I’m gonna introduce the bill for that reason."

[Anonymous]

Why do pro government busybodies constantly want to dictate speech? Why does the whole country have to Gap and Starbucks it's unique differences . What is it about the liberals that just can't stomach local rule, differing values, unique perspectives . Control freaks are the worst humans on earth.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:Why do pro government busybodies constantly want to dictate speech? Why does the whole country have to Gap and Starbucks it's unique differences . What is it about the liberals that just can't stomach local rule, differing values, unique perspectives . Control freaks are the worst humans on earth.

Really? Worse than people who murder nine people during a prayer service?

Also, what part of a local Republican legislator introducing a bill has to do with the Gap. Starbucks, or liberals? Do you support local control or not?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why do pro government busybodies constantly want to dictate speech? Why does the whole country have to Gap and Starbucks it's unique differences . What is it about the liberals that just can't stomach local rule, differing values, unique perspectives . Control freaks are the worst humans on earth.

When the state flies the flag over the Capitol, it's not speech, it's government policy.

[Anonymous]

Regarding all of the mumbo jumbo that people keep presuming to throw around out there about "history" and "tradition" and "true meaning" and "it's who we are" - here's a reality check:



Fact is, the Confederate flag was not flown for nearly 100 years after the Civil War. It was resurrected in the 1950s and 1960s by the KKK and others, primarily in opposition to the Civil Rights movement. And in its resurrected form, that is now it's history, that is it's tradition, that is it's true meaning, and that is who anyone who flys it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm an immigrant and this whole rewriting of history by the winners is amazing to me. The southern states waned to be independent, just like US wanted to be independent from Britain just a hundred years prior. Americans won, so they are heroes. Southerners lost, so they are traitors, right?

And don't kid yourself - the North did not go to war to free the slaves. Lincoln did not give a flying f&#k about them. In fact, in his inaguration speech he assured the South that they would get to keep their slaves. Lincoln cared about power, and a divided America would not be as powerful, so Lincoln proceeded to burn the South to the ground to get what he wanted.

Thank you for this. The north framed the civil war as a free the slaves movement when it was really a loot the south movement as well. The flag is a part of history and it is not all about slaves. There were not that many slaves in the first place. It is a groin issue that is always used to stir people up.

[Anonymous]

So one crazy murderer with a flag on his car represents the whole state of SC ? Giving even more power to a despicable action. The flag had nothing to do with his action. If the Boston marathon bomber had flown the American flag while doing his deed would that make the U.S. flag responsible? Very flawed logic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm an immigrant and this whole rewriting of history by the winners is amazing to me. The southern states waned to be independent, just like US wanted to be independent from Britain just a hundred years prior. Americans won, so they are heroes. Southerners lost, so they are traitors, right?

And don't kid yourself - the North did not go to war to free the slaves. Lincoln did not give a flying f&#k about them. In fact, in his inaguration speech he assured the South that they would get to keep their slaves. Lincoln cared about power, and a divided America would not be as powerful, so Lincoln proceeded to burn the South to the ground to get what he wanted.

Thank you for this. The north framed the civil war as a free the slaves movement when it was really a loot the south movement as well. The flag is a part of history and it is not all about slaves. There were not that many slaves in the first place. It is a groin issue that is always used to stir people up.

"Loot the South" - oh, please. The South was overwhelmingly poor sharecroppers and slaves, with a handful of ultra wealthy plantation owners running the show from behind the scenes.

The fact is, the South wanted not only to CONTINUE slavery (when it had already been abolished in most Northern states by 1800) they wanted it EXPANDED into the western territories. Check the historic record and the proceedings in Congress on that subject during the years just prior to the Civil War. This is all well-documented fact.

Nothing but pure bullshit and revisionist history coming from you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So one crazy murderer with a flag on his car represents the whole state of SC ? Giving even more power to a despicable action. The flag had nothing to do with his action. If the Boston marathon bomber had flown the American flag while doing his deed would that make the U.S. flag responsible? Very flawed logic.

As long as that banner of racism is flying over the SC state house, then YES, that racist murderer does represent SC. If you don't like being painted with that flag of racism then you need to stop your whining and start hounding your state reps until that flag is taken down, because it's a huge liability for you and for all of South Carolina.

[Anonymous]

I'm aghast that people will display the confederate flag "proudly" as some 'southern pride' BS. What, are you going to display the Nazi flag as some 'German pride' ridiculousness?

They're both the same level of awful. How does someone not see that?

I unfollowed some guy on Instagram (I follow some random people with similar interests), because he showed a picture of he and his kids in front of a confederate flag his grandmother put up, saying "don't hate - my grandma put it up, I won't take it down" with hashtags "problack" and "prowhite"

What the fucking fuck dude? Maybe post a Swastika with the hashtags "progerman" and "projew?" How are some people such morons?

[Anonymous]

That flag belong to the museum.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm an immigrant and this whole rewriting of history by the winners is amazing to me. The southern states waned to be independent, just like US wanted to be independent from Britain just a hundred years prior. Americans won, so they are heroes. Southerners lost, so they are traitors, right?

And don't kid yourself - the North did not go to war to free the slaves. Lincoln did not give a flying f&#k about them. In fact, in his inaguration speech he assured the South that they would get to keep their slaves. Lincoln cared about power, and a divided America would not be as powerful, so Lincoln proceeded to burn the South to the ground to get what he wanted.

Thank you for this. The north framed the civil war as a free the slaves movement when it was really a loot the south movement as well. The flag is a part of history and it is not all about slaves. There were not that many slaves in the first place. It is a groin issue that is always used to stir people up.

This is complete BS by someone who lacks even a basic understanding of history. But, don't trust me about this. Trust the Confederates. Here is what they wrote in 1860 about the causes leading to their secession. It was entirely about slavery:

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_scarsec.asp

The entire argument in that document is that the Federal government and non-slave states were obligated to protect slavery and not only didn't fulfill those obligations, actually acted in a hostile manner toward slavery. Therefore, the slave-owning states considered the union to be absolved because it wasn't obeying the constitution.

Moreover, the North's justification for going to war was; 1) Federal institutions had been militarily attacked; and 2) to preserve the union. It was not a "free the slaves" movement. There were northern slave-owning states and the slaves were not freed in those states until after the war. The Emancipation Proclamation didn't free those slaves, but only slaves in the states that rebelled.

I agree that the North's motivations have been given the rose-colored glasses treatment, but that doesn't justify overlooking the true cause of the South's secession. It was slavery, plain and simple.

[Anonymous]

"Loot the South". Of what?

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:So one crazy murderer with a flag on his car represents the whole state of SC ? Giving even more power to a despicable action. The flag had nothing to do with his action. If the Boston marathon bomber had flown the American flag while doing his deed would that make the U.S. flag responsible? Very flawed logic.

Here is your "one crazy murderer":

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"Loot the South". Of what?

Looted the South of factuality and sensibility, apparently.