FCPS demographic changes are largest cost increase besides salary. explain it.

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I was speaking to that - if units can fit multiple families illegally, it will rent for more than units that cannot so it will bring in more revenue.

Actually, these units are small and meant for one family. There are kids who sleep in the closet.

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Very likely those people have paid taxes for many more years than they had kids in school. And, lots of retired folk still have two cars. And, you all spend money. And, once more, part of your Virginia taxes also go to the schools. We may not get enough from the state, but it does come out to several thousand per kid. So, you need to adjust your "tuition" cost down if you are only counting Fairfax County taxes. Do you pay state income tax? Do your neighbors? Do you eat out? Do you buy clothes? Groceries? etc.?

This matters a lot. We have lived in the county for 36 years (and counting). We had one child (not Sped or ESOL or FARMS). he spent 13 years in the system. So we have paid for 23 years of taxes beyond that (and I'm sure it will be much more by the time we die). I think we've paid more than our share. Am I complaining? No. But don't say that a neighborhood that has many children is not paying its fair share. It's just a young neighborhood or people paid before the kids hit school. Don't worry. You will pay for what you get. It's just spread out over the years. Everyone benefits from the schools whether they have kids or not. Those kids pay into Social Security at some point and also produce for the whole society. Everyone.

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The problem with illegals is that they are not paying taxes because they are working "under the table". They don't pay federal or state income taxes. Sure they pay sales taxes, but they are not exactly big spenders. They usually send a lot of money back home to other countries. They live on the cheap. If they live in an apartment at $500 a month for a room (going rate), that's only $6500 a year. The real estate tax on that room can't be more than $1000 (if that). The landlord has to make something on that room.

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This matters a lot. We have lived in the county for 36 years (and counting). We had one child (not Sped or ESOL or FARMS). he spent 13 years in the system. So we have paid for 23 years of taxes beyond that (and I'm sure it will be much more by the time we die). I think we've paid more than our share. Am I complaining? No. But don't say that a neighborhood that has many children is not paying its fair share. It's just a young neighborhood or people paid before the kids hit school. Don't worry. You will pay for what you get. It's just spread out over the years. Everyone benefits from the schools whether they have kids or not. Those kids pay into Social Security at some point and also produce for the whole society. Everyone.

And, yes, we could move out of the county to try to get lower taxes. The county needs to keep it attractive for older people to stay here too. This can't be a "diverse" and thriving community if everyone over age 60 moves out.

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The problem with illegals is that they are not paying taxes because they are working "under the table". They don't pay federal or state income taxes. Sure they pay sales taxes, but they are not exactly big spenders. They usually send a lot of money back home to other countries. They live on the cheap. If they live in an apartment at $500 a month for a room (going rate), that's only $6500 a year. The real estate tax on that room can't be more than $1000 (if that). The landlord has to make something on that room.

What a glamorous life--living with several people in a room, working several jobs, often the scut jobs no one wants to do...

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The problem with illegals is that they are not paying taxes because they are working "under the table". They don't pay federal or state income taxes. Sure they pay sales taxes, but they are not exactly big spenders. They usually send a lot of money back home to other countries. They live on the cheap. If they live in an apartment at $500 a month for a room (going rate), that's only $6500 a year. The real estate tax on that room can't be more than $1000 (if that). The landlord has to make something on that room.


What a glamorous life--living with several people in a room, working several jobs, often the scut jobs no one wants to do...

I agree. It's horrible for them. The solutions are at much higher levels . . . the immigration issue has been ignored by Congress. Getting these people to be legal would be great for all concerned. As it is, they are exploited by people who are getting richer and richer. And the middle class is paying the bill. It's not sustainable. Hard reality.

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I'd rather see them legalized and have the chance to pay their own way than see them having to take charity and watch the middle class reduced through taxation. I'm sure they would rather have it that way as well. But, unfortunately, there are those who are reaping the benefits of this situation. Hopefully the people in the middle will prevail SOON.

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Very likely those people have paid taxes for many more years than they had kids in school. And, lots of retired folk still have two cars. And, you all spend money. And, once more, part of your Virginia taxes also go to the schools. We may not get enough from the state, but it does come out to several thousand per kid. So, you need to adjust your "tuition" cost down if you are only counting Fairfax County taxes. Do you pay state income tax? Do your neighbors? Do you eat out? Do you buy clothes? Groceries? etc.?

This matters a lot. We have lived in the county for 36 years (and counting). We had one child (not Sped or ESOL or FARMS). he spent 13 years in the system. So we have paid for 23 years of taxes beyond that (and I'm sure it will be much more by the time we die). I think we've paid more than our share. Am I complaining? No. But don't say that a neighborhood that has many children is not paying its fair share. It's just a young neighborhood or people paid before the kids hit school. Don't worry. You will pay for what you get. It's just spread out over the years. Everyone benefits from the schools whether they have kids or not. Those kids pay into Social Security at some point and also produce for the whole society. Everyone.

Curious. What is the average real estate tax for housing estimated to be needed for 1 child to be paid in the school system? Is there such a thing that can be counted?

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Anonymous wrote:

The problem with illegals is that they are not paying taxes because they are working "under the table". They don't pay federal or state income taxes. Sure they pay sales taxes, but they are not exactly big spenders. They usually send a lot of money back home to other countries. They live on the cheap. If they live in an apartment at $500 a month for a room (going rate), that's only $6500 a year. The real estate tax on that room can't be more than $1000 (if that). The landlord has to make something on that room.


What a glamorous life--living with several people in a room, working several jobs, often the scut jobs no one wants to do...

I agree. It's horrible for them. The solutions are at much higher levels . . . the immigration issue has been ignored by Congress. Getting these people to be legal would be great for all concerned. As it is, they are exploited by people who are getting richer and richer. And the middle class is paying the bill. It's not sustainable. Hard reality.

They could be deported. That's hard reality too.

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Curious. What is the average real estate tax for housing estimated to be needed for 1 child to be paid in the school system? Is there such a thing that can be counted?

That's a very interesting question. I think it would be very hard to figure out since the mandates on education have changed dramatically over the years and that affects the cost of education. When the state mandates things like elementary school counselors (which they do) or gifted education (which they do) or the feds mandate standardized testing (which suddenly means we need assessment coaches, not to mention the cost of the tests), it's hard to predict how much an education will cost per child. Just changing the rule about the drop out age (from 16 to 18) in 1990 (Bush 1) must have caused an increase in costs. Who knows what will be mandated in the future and whether it will be funded by the mandators (it usually isn't).

Another thing is that businesses, offices, stores, etc. (commercial) contribute a lot to the tax base (rightly so). A child's education is not supposed to be wholly paid for through residential property taxes. Public education benefits the public in many ways.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The problem with illegals is that they are not paying taxes because they are working "under the table". They don't pay federal or state income taxes. Sure they pay sales taxes, but they are not exactly big spenders. They usually send a lot of money back home to other countries. They live on the cheap. If they live in an apartment at $500 a month for a room (going rate), that's only $6500 a year. The real estate tax on that room can't be more than $1000 (if that). The landlord has to make something on that room.


What a glamorous life--living with several people in a room, working several jobs, often the scut jobs no one wants to do...

I agree. It's horrible for them. The solutions are at much higher levels . . . the immigration issue has been ignored by Congress. Getting these people to be legal would be great for all concerned. As it is, they are exploited by people who are getting richer and richer. And the middle class is paying the bill. It's not sustainable. Hard reality.

They could be deported. That's hard reality too.

Then who would watch your children, wash your dishes, clean your offices and homes and do your landscaping. Be careful what you wish for.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The problem with illegals is that they are not paying taxes because they are working "under the table". They don't pay federal or state income taxes. Sure they pay sales taxes, but they are not exactly big spenders. They usually send a lot of money back home to other countries. They live on the cheap. If they live in an apartment at $500 a month for a room (going rate), that's only $6500 a year. The real estate tax on that room can't be more than $1000 (if that). The landlord has to make something on that room.


What a glamorous life--living with several people in a room, working several jobs, often the scut jobs no one wants to do...

I agree. It's horrible for them. The solutions are at much higher levels . . . the immigration issue has been ignored by Congress. Getting these people to be legal would be great for all concerned. As it is, they are exploited by people who are getting richer and richer. And the middle class is paying the bill. It's not sustainable. Hard reality.

They could be deported. That's hard reality too.

Then who would watch your children, wash your dishes, clean your offices and homes and do your landscaping. Be careful what you wish for.

The cost of living would increase and employers would be forced to give everyone raises.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The problem with illegals is that they are not paying taxes because they are working "under the table". They don't pay federal or state income taxes. Sure they pay sales taxes, but they are not exactly big spenders. They usually send a lot of money back home to other countries. They live on the cheap. If they live in an apartment at $500 a month for a room (going rate), that's only $6500 a year. The real estate tax on that room can't be more than $1000 (if that). The landlord has to make something on that room.


What a glamorous life--living with several people in a room, working several jobs, often the scut jobs no one wants to do...

I agree. It's horrible for them. The solutions are at much higher levels . . . the immigration issue has been ignored by Congress. Getting these people to be legal would be great for all concerned. As it is, they are exploited by people who are getting richer and richer. And the middle class is paying the bill. It's not sustainable. Hard reality.

They could be deported. That's hard reality too.

Then who would watch your children, wash your dishes, clean your offices and homes and do your landscaping. Be careful what you wish for.

I would never have a illegal alien watch my child. I clean my own home and my own landscaping. Why would I need someone to wash my dishes?

Just saying that it's an option, and not one to complain about when one is here illegally.

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Anonymous wrote:

The problem with illegals is that they are not paying taxes because they are working "under the table". They don't pay federal or state income taxes. Sure they pay sales taxes, but they are not exactly big spenders. They usually send a lot of money back home to other countries. They live on the cheap. If they live in an apartment at $500 a month for a room (going rate), that's only $6500 a year. The real estate tax on that room can't be more than $1000 (if that). The landlord has to make something on that room.


What a glamorous life--living with several people in a room, working several jobs, often the scut jobs no one wants to do...


I agree. It's horrible for them. The solutions are at much higher levels . . . the immigration issue has been ignored by Congress. Getting these people to be legal would be great for all concerned. As it is, they are exploited by people who are getting richer and richer. And the middle class is paying the bill. It's not sustainable. Hard reality.

They could be deported. That's hard reality too.
Then who would watch your children, wash your dishes, clean your offices and homes and do your landscaping. Be careful what you wish for.

I would never have a illegal alien watch my child. I clean my own home and my own landscaping. Why would I need someone to wash my dishes?

Just saying that it's an option, and not one to complain about when one is here illegally.

Believe it or not, this is how it used to be when there were more people in the true middle class (less of an income divide). Going back to this would not be a bad thing. Maybe we would have fewer obese kids and people who understood what work is.

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Yes, I don't hire illegals either. When you hire illegals, you are cheating the government out of taxes.