FCPS demographic changes are largest cost increase besides salary. explain it.

[Anonymous]

^These, not This

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here is what it means:

1. FFX is seeing a population surge in the number of school age kids. While the county may be flat lining with respect to population growth, it is getting younger (kids getting born while old people move out) and adding to FCPS numbers.

2. The incoming students will need more ESOL services than what was previously provided. FARMS doesn't increase FCPS costs, but ESOL does as it cascades down into other areas. Do undocumented students add to this ESOL burden? Yes.

3. More parents are getting their kids diagnosed with LDs - ADHD, etc. etc. Students with visual and neurological impairments as those terms are used in the educational sector are some of the most expensive students to educate. ADHD, dyslexia, et al. that give rise to IEPs also give rise to increased costs to FCPS.

It seems like a lot of people jump on #2 on these forums. Hardly anyone acknowledges #3. And I bet #3 costs more too.

Regarding #3. There has been some speculation that FCPS has finally been called on the carpet regarding long term practices of denying FAPE to parts of the SN population and will be devoting more resources to remedy lapses (while still squeezing others).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Interesting free program

The Immigrant Family Reunification Program (IFRP) is an effort by Fairfax County Public Schools (FCPS) to identify immigrant students going through family reunification, and to invite their parents to participate in parenting education classes and take advantage of free resources such as Families Reunite (also in Spanish), a 6-hour curriculum for parents reunifying with their children. IFRP also offers a professional development workshop Immigrant Family Reunification: Promoting Student Academic Engagement and resources for schools.

One-fifth of the nation's children are growing up in immigrant homes. The 2010 Census data reveals that 13% of the U.S. population is foreign born, a 20% increase since 2000. At the end of 2014, the Department of Homeland Security estimated that more than 90,000 unaccompanied minors could enter the US. As of June 2014, nearly 6,000 of those children arrived in Fairfax County.

http://www.fcps.edu/cco/fam/reunification.shtml

This is nothing new. We are an immigrant nation. Plus, it is not new for descendants of former immigrants to be against the current immigrant populations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is what it means:

1. FFX is seeing a population surge in the number of school age kids. While the county may be flat lining with respect to population growth, it is getting younger (kids getting born while old people move out) and adding to FCPS numbers.

2. The incoming students will need more ESOL services than what was previously provided. FARMS doesn't increase FCPS costs, but ESOL does as it cascades down into other areas. Do undocumented students add to this ESOL burden? Yes.

3. More parents are getting their kids diagnosed with LDs - ADHD, etc. etc. Students with visual and neurological impairments as those terms are used in the educational sector are some of the most expensive students to educate. ADHD, dyslexia, et al. that give rise to IEPs also give rise to increased costs to FCPS.

It seems like a lot of people jump on #2 on these forums. Hardly anyone acknowledges #3. And I bet #3 costs more too.

FARMS certainly does increase costs. There are programs up the wazoo for schools that have a majority FARM status. FARM children are treated as 1.5 children to get additional staffing. Perhaps the state gives money for the actual meals, but nothing else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting free program

The Immigrant Family Reunification Program (IFRP) is an effort by Fairfax County Public Schools (FCPS) to identify immigrant students going through family reunification, and to invite their parents to participate in parenting education classes and take advantage of free resources such as Families Reunite (also in Spanish), a 6-hour curriculum for parents reunifying with their children. IFRP also offers a professional development workshop Immigrant Family Reunification: Promoting Student Academic Engagement and resources for schools.

One-fifth of the nation's children are growing up in immigrant homes. The 2010 Census data reveals that 13% of the U.S. population is foreign born, a 20% increase since 2000. At the end of 2014, the Department of Homeland Security estimated that more than 90,000 unaccompanied minors could enter the US. As of June 2014, nearly 6,000 of those children arrived in Fairfax County.

http://www.fcps.edu/cco/fam/reunification.shtml

THIS should be cut from the budget.

These are human beings, people! This are children who are in pain. Children who have emotional difficulties don't learn (making life harder for teachers), then they end up doing crimes. Paying to help these children NOW is so much cheaper than waiting.

Spouting platitudes about children and human beings and rights doesn't make money appear out of thin air. We can make declaratory statements and say that all children of the world who currently live in developing hell holes have a right to a Fairfax County education, but that just WOULDN'T EFFING WORK BY THE PROPERTIES OF THE MONEY AND SPACE THAT WE HAVE!

It is disgusting that the School Board is sending out threatening letters about a budget shortfall and tiptoeing lightly around REAL POSSIBLE REASONS why we may be short money.

I live in a high FARMS area and I am disgusted when I see 2-3 buses dropping off children at apartment complexes, because the school board is KNOWINGLY UNDERCOUNTING how many children apartments yield. They know DAMN WELL that they need to adjust their yield formula for apartment complexes on this side of the county, and they are not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting free program

The Immigrant Family Reunification Program (IFRP) is an effort by Fairfax County Public Schools (FCPS) to identify immigrant students going through family reunification, and to invite their parents to participate in parenting education classes and take advantage of free resources such as Families Reunite (also in Spanish), a 6-hour curriculum for parents reunifying with their children. IFRP also offers a professional development workshop Immigrant Family Reunification: Promoting Student Academic Engagement and resources for schools.

One-fifth of the nation's children are growing up in immigrant homes. The 2010 Census data reveals that 13% of the U.S. population is foreign born, a 20% increase since 2000. At the end of 2014, the Department of Homeland Security estimated that more than 90,000 unaccompanied minors could enter the US. As of June 2014, nearly 6,000 of those children arrived in Fairfax County.

http://www.fcps.edu/cco/fam/reunification.shtml

This is nothing new. We are an immigrant nation. Plus, it is not new for descendants of former immigrants to be against the current immigrant populations.

When my family immigrated here in the mid 1800s, public education was not nearly as bloated with all the stuff that adds to expenses today. My forefathers and mothers had a very simple education, and I'm not even sure how many years of schooling they had. It is not even a comparable situation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting free program

The Immigrant Family Reunification Program (IFRP) is an effort by Fairfax County Public Schools (FCPS) to identify immigrant students going through family reunification, and to invite their parents to participate in parenting education classes and take advantage of free resources such as Families Reunite (also in Spanish), a 6-hour curriculum for parents reunifying with their children. IFRP also offers a professional development workshop Immigrant Family Reunification: Promoting Student Academic Engagement and resources for schools.

One-fifth of the nation's children are growing up in immigrant homes. The 2010 Census data reveals that 13% of the U.S. population is foreign born, a 20% increase since 2000. At the end of 2014, the Department of Homeland Security estimated that more than 90,000 unaccompanied minors could enter the US. As of June 2014, nearly 6,000 of those children arrived in Fairfax County.

http://www.fcps.edu/cco/fam/reunification.shtml

THIS should be cut from the budget.

These are human beings, people! This are children who are in pain. Children who have emotional difficulties don't learn (making life harder for teachers), then they end up doing crimes. Paying to help these children NOW is so much cheaper than waiting.

Spouting platitudes about children and human beings and rights doesn't make money appear out of thin air. We can make declaratory statements and say that all children of the world who currently live in developing hell holes have a right to a Fairfax County education, but that just WOULDN'T EFFING WORK BY THE PROPERTIES OF THE MONEY AND SPACE THAT WE HAVE!

It is disgusting that the School Board is sending out threatening letters about a budget shortfall and tiptoeing lightly around REAL POSSIBLE REASONS why we may be short money.

I live in a high FARMS area and I am disgusted when I see 2-3 buses dropping off children at apartment complexes, because the school board is KNOWINGLY UNDERCOUNTING how many children apartments yield. They know DAMN WELL that they need to adjust their yield formula for apartment complexes on this side of the county, and they are not.

The School Board is not knowingly undercounting these kids, but instead pushing the Facilities people to develop better models. Some apartments yield relatively few kids, others yield many. The School Board would prefer greater proffers from developers on your side of the county and higher projections of students coming from those complexes. The pushback is from the BOS and the developers. This is all on the politicians - Obama, Connelly, Bulova, Gross, etc. The educators are left to deal with the aftermath.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here is what it means:

1. FFX is seeing a population surge in the number of school age kids. While the county may be flat lining with respect to population growth, it is getting younger (kids getting born while old people move out) and adding to FCPS numbers.

2. The incoming students will need more ESOL services than what was previously provided. FARMS doesn't increase FCPS costs, but ESOL does as it cascades down into other areas. Do undocumented students add to this ESOL burden? Yes.

3. More parents are getting their kids diagnosed with LDs - ADHD, etc. etc. Students with visual and neurological impairments as those terms are used in the educational sector are some of the most expensive students to educate. ADHD, dyslexia, et al. that give rise to IEPs also give rise to increased costs to FCPS.

It seems like a lot of people jump on #2 on these forums. Hardly anyone acknowledges #3. And I bet #3 costs more too.

As a parent with kids on opposite ends of the spectrum - AAP & IEPs (not that AAP Kids don't also have IEPs sometimes). It's number #3. If you ever volunteer at a camp, you'll see that most kids seem to be on drugs or have something that requires extra medical forms. And this is even the summer, where some kids go off their drugs. (The IEP parents are usually more fun to hang with than the AAP parents. The IEP parents one-up-manship is totally different!)

FCPS does a great job of taking care of all kids (special needs and not born here) and making sure they have the opportunity to get a good education. I've had teacher friends move to what they thought were good schools in NC and although they like the lower stress life, the schools drive them crazy. I'll gladly pay taxes. I know everyone complains, but really, we don't have much tax compared to other parts of the US.

No one ever asks my European friends if they are here legally (and no one ever asked my Canadian friend!). I think it's kinda cool that my kids have been the only blonde on their tennis, fencing, swim and piano events - (for sure they were the only blonde, might have been the only white kid. I kinda assume most kids are mixed if they don't look white/black/asian/hispanic. it's hard to line up parents with the kids). My kids don't notice and I think that's great.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting free program

The Immigrant Family Reunification Program (IFRP) is an effort by Fairfax County Public Schools (FCPS) to identify immigrant students going through family reunification, and to invite their parents to participate in parenting education classes and take advantage of free resources such as Families Reunite (also in Spanish), a 6-hour curriculum for parents reunifying with their children. IFRP also offers a professional development workshop Immigrant Family Reunification: Promoting Student Academic Engagement and resources for schools.

One-fifth of the nation's children are growing up in immigrant homes. The 2010 Census data reveals that 13% of the U.S. population is foreign born, a 20% increase since 2000. At the end of 2014, the Department of Homeland Security estimated that more than 90,000 unaccompanied minors could enter the US. As of June 2014, nearly 6,000 of those children arrived in Fairfax County.

http://www.fcps.edu/cco/fam/reunification.shtml

THIS should be cut from the budget.

These are human beings, people! This are children who are in pain. Children who have emotional difficulties don't learn (making life harder for teachers), then they end up doing crimes. Paying to help these children NOW is so much cheaper than waiting.

Spouting platitudes about children and human beings and rights doesn't make money appear out of thin air. We can make declaratory statements and say that all children of the world who currently live in developing hell holes have a right to a Fairfax County education, but that just WOULDN'T EFFING WORK BY THE PROPERTIES OF THE MONEY AND SPACE THAT WE HAVE!

It is disgusting that the School Board is sending out threatening letters about a budget shortfall and tiptoeing lightly around REAL POSSIBLE REASONS why we may be short money.

I live in a high FARMS area and I am disgusted when I see 2-3 buses dropping off children at apartment complexes, because the school board is KNOWINGLY UNDERCOUNTING how many children apartments yield. They know DAMN WELL that they need to adjust their yield formula for apartment complexes on this side of the county, and they are not.

The School Board is not knowingly undercounting these kids, but instead pushing the Facilities people to develop better models. Some apartments yield relatively few kids, others yield many. The School Board would prefer greater proffers from developers on your side of the county and higher projections of students coming from those complexes. The pushback is from the BOS and the developers. This is all on the politicians - Obama, Connelly, Bulova, Gross, etc. The educators are left to deal with the aftermath.

They need to assume that EVERY SINGLE OLD DECREPIT APARTMENT unit is housing a family. Start from there, and work back from there. They are not even close to that.

[Anonymous]

Some new apartments and condos are going up very near my neighborhood. Our school is bursting at the seams. When the project was presented for approval, our community asked what was going to be done about the schools. Our school is already overcrowded. We wanted to know how they would address this. We were assured that these kids were going to be assigned to another nearby school.

Guess what? The apts and condos are now open and guess which school the kids will attend? Our very overcrowded, trailer dense, school. Certainly, some type of proffer should have been offered to add on to our school or put towards building another.

Also, the builders have now asked to increase the number of units instead of putting in some commercial property as originally planned.

This falls directly on the planning commission, the BOS, and FCPS. FCPS is the entity that promised these kids would be assigned to a different school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some new apartments and condos are going up very near my neighborhood. Our school is bursting at the seams. When the project was presented for approval, our community asked what was going to be done about the schools. Our school is already overcrowded. We wanted to know how they would address this. We were assured that these kids were going to be assigned to another nearby school.

Guess what? The apts and condos are now open and guess which school the kids will attend? Our very overcrowded, trailer dense, school. Certainly, some type of proffer should have been offered to add on to our school or put towards building another.

Also, the builders have now asked to increase the number of units instead of putting in some commercial property as originally planned.

This falls directly on the planning commission, the BOS, and FCPS. FCPS is the entity that promised these kids would be assigned to a different school.

Who exactly at FCPS made these promises and failed to execute?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting free program

The Immigrant Family Reunification Program (IFRP) is an effort by Fairfax County Public Schools (FCPS) to identify immigrant students going through family reunification, and to invite their parents to participate in parenting education classes and take advantage of free resources such as Families Reunite (also in Spanish), a 6-hour curriculum for parents reunifying with their children. IFRP also offers a professional development workshop Immigrant Family Reunification: Promoting Student Academic Engagement and resources for schools.

One-fifth of the nation's children are growing up in immigrant homes. The 2010 Census data reveals that 13% of the U.S. population is foreign born, a 20% increase since 2000. At the end of 2014, the Department of Homeland Security estimated that more than 90,000 unaccompanied minors could enter the US. As of June 2014, nearly 6,000 of those children arrived in Fairfax County.

http://www.fcps.edu/cco/fam/reunification.shtml

THIS should be cut from the budget.

These are human beings, people! This are children who are in pain. Children who have emotional difficulties don't learn (making life harder for teachers), then they end up doing crimes. Paying to help these children NOW is so much cheaper than waiting.

Spouting platitudes about children and human beings and rights doesn't make money appear out of thin air. We can make declaratory statements and say that all children of the world who currently live in developing hell holes have a right to a Fairfax County education, but that just WOULDN'T EFFING WORK BY THE PROPERTIES OF THE MONEY AND SPACE THAT WE HAVE!

It is disgusting that the School Board is sending out threatening letters about a budget shortfall and tiptoeing lightly around REAL POSSIBLE REASONS why we may be short money.

I live in a high FARMS area and I am disgusted when I see 2-3 buses dropping off children at apartment complexes, because the school board is KNOWINGLY UNDERCOUNTING how many children apartments yield. They know DAMN WELL that they need to adjust their yield formula for apartment complexes on this side of the county, and they are not.

The School Board is not knowingly undercounting these kids, but instead pushing the Facilities people to develop better models. Some apartments yield relatively few kids, others yield many. The School Board would prefer greater proffers from developers on your side of the county and higher projections of students coming from those complexes. The pushback is from the BOS and the developers. This is all on the politicians - Obama, Bush, Connelly, Wolf, Bulova, Cook, Gross, Herrity, McDonnell, Kaine etc. The educators are left to deal with the aftermath.

I added the politicians you left off.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I live in a high FARMS area and I am disgusted when I see 2-3 buses dropping off children at apartment complexes, because the school board is KNOWINGLY UNDERCOUNTING how many children apartments yield. They know DAMN WELL that they need to adjust their yield formula for apartment complexes on this side of the county, and they are not.

Why are you disgusted?

Besides overcrowding at a particular school, what's the problem with FCPS having incorrect yield formulas? If they tweak it and make it more correct, it will cause them to change school boundaries and move kids around to even out the load amongst all the schools - this is a good thing - but it wouldn't change the underlying issue of an increasing school age population or of the other issue you seem to highlight, which is not enough real estate tax revenue. These two things are outside the powers of FCPS.

FCPS can perhaps do a better job of distributing students to spread the overcrowding around but their lack of doing so doesn't seem to rise to "disgusting" imo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting free program

The Immigrant Family Reunification Program (IFRP) is an effort by Fairfax County Public Schools (FCPS) to identify immigrant students going through family reunification, and to invite their parents to participate in parenting education classes and take advantage of free resources such as Families Reunite (also in Spanish), a 6-hour curriculum for parents reunifying with their children. IFRP also offers a professional development workshop Immigrant Family Reunification: Promoting Student Academic Engagement and resources for schools.

One-fifth of the nation's children are growing up in immigrant homes. The 2010 Census data reveals that 13% of the U.S. population is foreign born, a 20% increase since 2000. At the end of 2014, the Department of Homeland Security estimated that more than 90,000 unaccompanied minors could enter the US. As of June 2014, nearly 6,000 of those children arrived in Fairfax County.

http://www.fcps.edu/cco/fam/reunification.shtml

THIS should be cut from the budget.

These are human beings, people! This are children who are in pain. Children who have emotional difficulties don't learn (making life harder for teachers), then they end up doing crimes. Paying to help these children NOW is so much cheaper than waiting.

Spouting platitudes about children and human beings and rights doesn't make money appear out of thin air. We can make declaratory statements and say that all children of the world who currently live in developing hell holes have a right to a Fairfax County education, but that just WOULDN'T EFFING WORK BY THE PROPERTIES OF THE MONEY AND SPACE THAT WE HAVE!

It is disgusting that the School Board is sending out threatening letters about a budget shortfall and tiptoeing lightly around REAL POSSIBLE REASONS why we may be short money.

I live in a high FARMS area and I am disgusted when I see 2-3 buses dropping off children at apartment complexes, because the school board is KNOWINGLY UNDERCOUNTING how many children apartments yield. They know DAMN WELL that they need to adjust their yield formula for apartment complexes on this side of the county, and they are not.

The School Board is not knowingly undercounting these kids, but instead pushing the Facilities people to develop better models. Some apartments yield relatively few kids, others yield many. The School Board would prefer greater proffers from developers on your side of the county and higher projections of students coming from those complexes. The pushback is from the BOS and the developers. This is all on the politicians - Obama, Connelly, Bulova, Gross, etc. The educators are left to deal with the aftermath.

I added the politicians you left off.

And I restored it to those who bear more responsibility for recent developments.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting free program

The Immigrant Family Reunification Program (IFRP) is an effort by Fairfax County Public Schools (FCPS) to identify immigrant students going through family reunification, and to invite their parents to participate in parenting education classes and take advantage of free resources such as Families Reunite (also in Spanish), a 6-hour curriculum for parents reunifying with their children. IFRP also offers a professional development workshop Immigrant Family Reunification: Promoting Student Academic Engagement and resources for schools.

One-fifth of the nation's children are growing up in immigrant homes. The 2010 Census data reveals that 13% of the U.S. population is foreign born, a 20% increase since 2000. At the end of 2014, the Department of Homeland Security estimated that more than 90,000 unaccompanied minors could enter the US. As of June 2014, nearly 6,000 of those children arrived in Fairfax County.

http://www.fcps.edu/cco/fam/reunification.shtml

THIS should be cut from the budget.

These are human beings, people! This are children who are in pain. Children who have emotional difficulties don't learn (making life harder for teachers), then they end up doing crimes. Paying to help these children NOW is so much cheaper than waiting.

Spouting platitudes about children and human beings and rights doesn't make money appear out of thin air. We can make declaratory statements and say that all children of the world who currently live in developing hell holes have a right to a Fairfax County education, but that just WOULDN'T EFFING WORK BY THE PROPERTIES OF THE MONEY AND SPACE THAT WE HAVE!

It is disgusting that the School Board is sending out threatening letters about a budget shortfall and tiptoeing lightly around REAL POSSIBLE REASONS why we may be short money.

I live in a high FARMS area and I am disgusted when I see 2-3 buses dropping off children at apartment complexes, because the school board is KNOWINGLY UNDERCOUNTING how many children apartments yield. They know DAMN WELL that they need to adjust their yield formula for apartment complexes on this side of the county, and they are not.

The School Board is not knowingly undercounting these kids, but instead pushing the Facilities people to develop better models. Some apartments yield relatively few kids, others yield many. The School Board would prefer greater proffers from developers on your side of the county and higher projections of students coming from those complexes. The pushback is from the BOS and the developers. This is all on the politicians - Obama,M McConnell, Boehner, Connelly and Wolf/Comstock, Bulova, Gross, Herrity, Cook etc. The educators are left to deal with the aftermath.

I added the politicians you left off.

And I restored it to those who bear more responsibility for recent developments.

You still left off current participants.