JKLM residents are killing elementaries in lower NW

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Anonymous wrote:Don't most jklm do private preschool?

Yes, absolutely for age 3. I have never once met a person in my Murch boundary neighborhood who has cast about the city for a free spot in a DCPS for pk3.

For age four, I have met two household IB for Murch who sent their kids -- interestingly, both families had twins -- to Hearst for pk4. One of these families did this about 8 years ago, the other, more recently.

It's not a common thing in these parts, at all.

Fight by anecdote! I know several Upper NW families that used public schools for PK3, and many who sent their kids to other schools for PK4 because they couldn't get into their IB school. So by my limited experience it must be a very common thing!

"upper NW" isn't the same as Ward 3.

How many families do you know who own homes in 20015 or 20016 and send their kids across the city for pk3? Be honest.

We do....20016 code.

No you don't. No way.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And, contrary to popular belief, not all families residing in ward 3 are rich. The cost of quality childcare is outrageous as is ward 3 housing. Many families are on a tight budget exactly because they have invested their money in ensuring a quality education. If the families have an equal right, are dc taxpayers, etc., why should they stand down from accessing available educational resources for their children consistent with the system that has been established?

+1.

Also, there IS NO PK3 in ward 3.

+100. Exactly. OP's premise and "request" are both equally absurd.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:6:05 I am confused. No one on this thread has argued for a right to preschool.

Read the post from 23:08. She is doing exactly that. Hope you just missed it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Fully 1/4 of my kid's prek3 class is zoned for Oyster. I don't know how I will explain why so many classmates aren't there when K rolls around.

This is from a ways back, but you won't need to do this. It will only come up if you harp on it, so on second thought you probably will.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Don't most jklm do private preschool?

Yes, absolutely for age 3. I have never once met a person in my Murch boundary neighborhood who has cast about the city for a free spot in a DCPS for pk3.

For age four, I have met two household IB for Murch who sent their kids -- interestingly, both families had twins -- to Hearst for pk4. One of these families did this about 8 years ago, the other, more recently.

It's not a common thing in these parts, at all.

Fight by anecdote! I know several Upper NW families that used public schools for PK3, and many who sent their kids to other schools for PK4 because they couldn't get into their IB school. So by my limited experience it must be a very common thing!

"upper NW" isn't the same as Ward 3.

How many families do you know who own homes in 20015 or 20016 and send their kids across the city for pk3? Be honest.

We do....20016 code.

No you don't. No way.

New poster. Also own a house in 20016, have high HHI, and drive my kid across the park for a non-language-immersion PK3.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:6:05 I am confused. No one on this thread has argued for a right to preschool.

Read the post from 23:08. She is doing exactly that. Hope you just missed it.

I think we have an honest disagreement about 23:08 is saying.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Don't most jklm do private preschool?

Yes, absolutely for age 3. I have never once met a person in my Murch boundary neighborhood who has cast about the city for a free spot in a DCPS for pk3.

For age four, I have met two household IB for Murch who sent their kids -- interestingly, both families had twins -- to Hearst for pk4. One of these families did this about 8 years ago, the other, more recently.

It's not a common thing in these parts, at all.

Fight by anecdote! I know several Upper NW families that used public schools for PK3, and many who sent their kids to other schools for PK4 because they couldn't get into their IB school. So by my limited experience it must be a very common thing!

"upper NW" isn't the same as Ward 3.

How many families do you know who own homes in 20015 or 20016 and send their kids across the city for pk3? Be honest.

We do....20016 code.

No you don't. No way.

New poster. Also own a house in 20016, have high HHI, and drive my kid across the park for a non-language-immersion PK3.

Which school to you go to?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Don't most jklm do private preschool?

Yes, absolutely for age 3. I have never once met a person in my Murch boundary neighborhood who has cast about the city for a free spot in a DCPS for pk3.

For age four, I have met two household IB for Murch who sent their kids -- interestingly, both families had twins -- to Hearst for pk4. One of these families did this about 8 years ago, the other, more recently.

It's not a common thing in these parts, at all.

Fight by anecdote! I know several Upper NW families that used public schools for PK3, and many who sent their kids to other schools for PK4 because they couldn't get into their IB school. So by my limited experience it must be a very common thing!

"upper NW" isn't the same as Ward 3.

How many families do you know who own homes in 20015 or 20016 and send their kids across the city for pk3? Be honest.

We do....20016 code.

No you don't. No way.

New poster. Also own a house in 20016, have high HHI, and drive my kid across the park for a non-language-immersion PK3.

Your HHI can't be that "high" if you really make that schlep for free Powell, passing by St. Columba's on the way.

[Anonymous]

NP. I don't make the schlep. I have my nanny do it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And, contrary to popular belief, not all families residing in ward 3 are rich. The cost of quality childcare is outrageous as is ward 3 housing. Many families are on a tight budget exactly because they have invested their money in ensuring a quality education. If the families have an equal right, are dc taxpayers, etc., why should they stand down from accessing available educational resources for their children consistent with the system that has been established?

+1.

Also, there IS NO PK3 in ward 3.

+100. Exactly. OP's premise and "request" are both equally absurd.

Another +1. We own a small house in 20015, and will absolutely participate in the lottery for our twins when the time comes. Cannot afford St. Columba's and the like.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I've had 3 kids start in Janney PK (and then K) in recent years and I've never come across any classmates who did PK at another NWDC public school. Everyone goes to St Columba's or Communikids or one of the Jewish preschools or a downtown daycare or any number of other private (pay) schools.

I do know one family (out of 100) that did the PS3 year at Appletree and then (inbounds) Janney PK.
I honestly don't think OP's post is a widespread "problem" at all.

jeez, THANK you. I am a PP who called bullshit on the alleged problem of children living "JKLM" -- which I'll remind everyone is AU Park, Chevy Chase DC, Wesley Hts, Cleveland Park, Palisades, Forest Hills and Friendship Heights -- running all over the city and snatching up spots in ps3.

This isn't happening.

Excellent. Since it doesn't happen, Ward 3 families will not mind at all to having no OOB feeder rights at PK3 and PK4. Everyone is agreed then...

Thankfully, this is legally impossible as long as Ward 3 families pay taxes that help fund your school as well. Would you like to have Ward 3 break apart from the District so you don't have to share resources? Let's see how well that would pan out financially for the rest of the city.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I've had 3 kids start in Janney PK (and then K) in recent years and I've never come across any classmates who did PK at another NWDC public school. Everyone goes to St Columba's or Communikids or one of the Jewish preschools or a downtown daycare or any number of other private (pay) schools.

I do know one family (out of 100) that did the PS3 year at Appletree and then (inbounds) Janney PK.
I honestly don't think OP's post is a widespread "problem" at all.

jeez, THANK you. I am a PP who called bullshit on the alleged problem of children living "JKLM" -- which I'll remind everyone is AU Park, Chevy Chase DC, Wesley Hts, Cleveland Park, Palisades, Forest Hills and Friendship Heights -- running all over the city and snatching up spots in ps3.

This isn't happening.

Excellent. Since it doesn't happen, Ward 3 families will not mind at all to having no OOB feeder rights at PK3 and PK4. Everyone is agreed then...

Thankfully, this is legally impossible as long as Ward 3 families pay taxes that help fund your school as well. Would you like to have Ward 3 break apart from the District so you don't have to share resources? Let's see how well that would pan out financially for the rest of the city.

Lawyers here - could Ward 3 find a way to join Maryland?

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OP, you sound like an entitled brat. I hope there will be more community-minded and less bigoted people at our PK3 school.

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Op, I am confused. Are you asserting that the unprepared K kids result from IB students who don't get into ECE at their neighborhood schools? If they applied- they would beat out the OB kids, right? So the problem is that folks IB for your school don't want ECE. Your beef is not with OOB folks- but with your IB population.

This is exactly right. The OOB kids don't get in unless there are available slots after all the IB kids are placed. What OP really is arguing for is that her school's PS and PK classes remain under-enrolled rather that be filled with kids who are IB at JKLM. Which is, of course, ridiculous. She's also claiming that the presence is these children results in underprepared IB kindergarteners. Equally ridiculous.

Yes, OP, what schools are you talking about anyway? And which is the school with 25 percent Oyster IB at PK?

I wonder this, too. Maybe Francis-Stevens?

Bumping my question because I still don't see an answer. FS and Marie Reed are decent guesses but I would be surprised, because they are both popular with WLs, are they not? Certainly MR has a long WL. I thought FS did too. Also it's unusual to refer to Adams Morgan as "lower NW".

I am at an EOTP school and yes, I have seen JKLM/Oyster parents at our open houses hoping to use our school for PK3 or even PK4. I have never resented them for trying. We all gotta do what we gotta do in this city. We have so many IB on the WL that the JKLM/O applicants don't have a snowflake's chance, so it's academic anyway.

So OP or anyone else, can you tell us which are these schools that are simultaneously so attractive to JKLM/O that they choose it over private preschool, yet have a lot of space for OOB, so much space that one of them is even one quarter full of Oyster IB?

I am not saying I don't believe it but I am still scratching my head as to which schools fit this description. It must be schools that have very small geographic boundaries or small number of public school kids relative to PK class sizes? Which are these schools in lower NW? I know that Hearst fits this description in upper NW.

+100

Lower NW comprises the Cardozo Feeder schools for the most part from Tubman and Bruce Monroe in the north to Marie Reed in the West across to Marie Reed, Garrison, Seaton, Cleveland and Thompson. I don't think Ross or FS with their long WLs have lots of upper NW squatters at them for PK.

You are responding to my question. Really?? I have never heard this area referred to as "lower NW", on DCUM or anywhere. It's usually "EOTP" on DCUM, and if you are going as far east as Seaton and Cleveland in Shaw/Le Droit/Bloomingdale, then that's usually referred to as center city or near NW. If "lower NW" means anything, it would more logically refer to Georgetown.

Anyway OP has posted again since my question was repeated, and still hasn't answered, so he or she is obviously more interested in stirring the pot than having a real conversation about this.

When I read the thread title, I thought this was going to be about Stoddert and Hyde.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've had 3 kids start in Janney PK (and then K) in recent years and I've never come across any classmates who did PK at another NWDC public school. Everyone goes to St Columba's or Communikids or one of the Jewish preschools or a downtown daycare or any number of other private (pay) schools.

I do know one family (out of 100) that did the PS3 year at Appletree and then (inbounds) Janney PK.
I honestly don't think OP's post is a widespread "problem" at all.

jeez, THANK you. I am a PP who called bullshit on the alleged problem of children living "JKLM" -- which I'll remind everyone is AU Park, Chevy Chase DC, Wesley Hts, Cleveland Park, Palisades, Forest Hills and Friendship Heights -- running all over the city and snatching up spots in ps3.

This isn't happening.

Excellent. Since it doesn't happen, Ward 3 families will not mind at all to having no OOB feeder rights at PK3 and PK4. Everyone is agreed then...

Thankfully, this is legally impossible as long as Ward 3 families pay taxes that help fund your school as well. Would you like to have Ward 3 break apart from the District so you don't have to share resources? Let's see how well that would pan out financially for the rest of the city.

Actually, it may come as a shock to you that the city already discriminates against different parts of the city. You might have notices that Ward 3 schools have no PK3 and all of the rest of the city does. You might also be aware that now some parts of the city have a right to enroll -- no lottery -- for PK3 and PK4. I don't think what is being proposed is legally impossible at all.